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03 Feb 11, 20:45
By zeeba-G
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3D
Stealing? More like taking over and keeping up...
04 Feb 11, 09:05
By mulleboy
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Hey I'll help (lol is Mulleboy back?)
04 Feb 11, 09:16
By Skals
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Game / Level Designer
You miss the entire joke dumbass.
04 Feb 11, 11:03
By Strider
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Sigh.
No need for that, Skals.
04 Feb 11, 11:08
By Striker
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Stealing is bad, Mkay?


And of what could you accuse me if I'd use WebReaper to have a TWHL backup on my harddrive? Since we don't know if the WayBack machine will archive everything on this site tongue - :P.
04 Feb 11, 11:21
By kraken
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So what other games were you thinking of supporting? All valve games or broader?

I like the idea, I had no idea you guys had restricted access though, how did you redo the entire site?

Edit: if the site could go down at anytime, why not start a dev blog for the new site, mainly just so people don't get left in dark.
04 Feb 11, 11:26
By AJ
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Glorious Overlord
Broader. Whatever anyone can bring, we'll put up. So rather than just say "we're concentrating on these new engines", it'll generally be most engines that offer a proper level editor.
04 Feb 11, 11:26
By Strider
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Sigh.
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So what other games were you thinking of supporting? All valve games or broader?

Broader. I'd love for people to start posting UDK work on the updated site.
04 Feb 11, 14:18
By kdunivan
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I say the more the merrier, you know? Why should the site be pigeon holed to one single thing or one engine. Like you said, if it has an editor then maybe you should try and include it. Everyone can benefit from some sound advice sometimes even if they are different engines. Level editing is pretty much the same no matter how you cut it; even the 2D stuff.

Don't laugh, RPG Maker is the bomb! Gotta love the Japanese!

I would love for the new site to have some sort of resource area. I know we push for originality but it wouldn't hurt. I know everyone is against prefabs too but they give a great base for someone to at least learn how to make complex brushwork. Just an area for some basic resources and links.

Maybe the resources could be cross platformed so they could be used by all. Like leaving texture images to their original source instead of rendering it to a specific engine. That way you still have to work for it.

And definitely more tutorials for all engines included.
04 Feb 11, 14:34
By Rimrook
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Guru
Instances are like prefabs in L4D2 mapping, a wealth of instances makes mapping damn enjoyable. I spend a lot of time making them myself so a place to upload them would be awesome.
04 Feb 11, 14:43
By Luke
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Luke
I feel like we keep coming back to calling it MapVault.
04 Feb 11, 15:48
By kraken
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I personally think MapVault is a fantastic name, and it will bring us all back.
04 Feb 11, 16:16
By potatis_invalid
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I like MapVault.
04 Feb 11, 16:42
By Striker
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MapVault is too generic. Is that all you can come with?
04 Feb 11, 16:45
By Stojke
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= O P L - 3 =
worldcrafters pwns
04 Feb 11, 17:04
By Rimrook
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MapVault sounds like a depository, which we are not.
WorldCrafters speaks more of the people and who they are.

Do we have a Twitter yet?
04 Feb 11, 17:47
By kdunivan
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I like WorldCrafters personally.....

What the heck would we call the map vault then? I mean if we name it that.

And please, no Twitter...
04 Feb 11, 18:06
By Rory84
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I've been in this community since I was even too young to realize how to even map (5+ years).

I honestly think moving to a new domain under the management of you three, with this kind of community would really help and expand it.

I've always used TWHL has my mapping reference, and I'll do anything to help out. If it weren't for this community I would never have learned how to map. I believe it's the same for many others. I've taught 3 others how to map, and they've all learned through TWHL's tutorials and forums.

Long live TWHL.
04 Feb 11, 23:30
By Strider
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Sigh.
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I say the more the merrier, you know? Why should the site be pigeon holed to one single thing or one engine. Like you said, if it has an editor then maybe you should try and include it. Everyone can benefit from some sound advice sometimes even if they are different engines. Level editing is pretty much the same no matter how you cut it; even the 2D stuff.

Don't laugh, RPG Maker is the bomb! Gotta love the Japanese!

Definitely. A lot of older engines still have a fanbase. 2D work would be awesome, too.

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Instances are like prefabs in L4D2 mapping, a wealth of instances makes mapping damn enjoyable. I spend a lot of time making them myself so a place to upload them would be awesome.

Agreed. I've been using them a lot lately, they're just so damn handy.

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WorldCrafters speaks more of the people and who they are.

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I like WorldCrafters personally.....

So do I, something along these lines would be nice. Ideally though, I would love to keep the name, but it's not going to make a lot of sense calling ourselves TWHL after expanding the site.

Just brainstorming here, but what if we use the TWHL name as a legacy for the Half-Life sections of the site (forums, tutorials, vaults etc)?
04 Feb 11, 23:49
By Crollo
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I personally feel WorldCrafters or Mapvault would be far too narrow as even now this community isn't just about mapping, it's more broadly about modding in general with several different subsections. [Mapping, coding, modelling, etc]
05 Feb 11, 00:22
By Suparsonik
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Withstood the post-nuke test.
Worldcrafters isn't narrow at all, really.
05 Feb 11, 00:37
By Rimrook
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Like no one has CODED a world before? Or Modeled a world?
05 Feb 11, 01:16
By Captain Terror
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end of line
I think maptown is fantastic
05 Feb 11, 01:43
By Crollo
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Yes it is, it's implying the creation of a world in which is populated by other non focused things, therefore mapping.
05 Feb 11, 02:17
By zeeba-G
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Skals isn't funny mkay?
05 Feb 11, 03:01
By Crollo
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Think of it as dream building in inception, you're making a dream world for the user, but building a dream is just making a world populated with items [and bringing the user into the dream], you're not making the items, therefore it's narrow.
05 Feb 11, 03:31
By DiscoStu
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I can almost picture a sign like this like on The Simpsons.
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WorldCrafters
the new TWHL


In all honesty, I think WorldCrafters was a pretty good suggestion despite what some may say. It implies some form of modding or at least mapping (modding indirectly), and subtly hints of its Half Life roots without being too explicit or narrow. I vote for that.

Let's settle on a list then set up a poll for it under the shoutbox smile - :)

Also, on the technical side, perhaps a phpBB base could be easily adapted to fit our current and possibly future needs and include the map vault, user profiles, even journals with minimal effort (it's modular and it's already written). Plus it would handle bbcode correctly across all the site unlike the current odd ad-hoc contraption (not meaning to offend Penguinboy, but this IS an odd ad-hoc contraption). Of course, it's just an idea. I offer my assistance as a code monkey regardless of the platform used smile - :)
05 Feb 11, 03:57
By Penguinboy
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Haha, I died again!
Stu: The current site was written when I had only a small amount of HTML/CSS/SQL/PHP knowledge. I am far more experienced at all of those now, and I can do far better than trying to shove desired functionality into the bloated and unwanted codebase of phpBB. It's good for a single-use forum website with no modifications, but since I need high customisability, I can make a far better website without it. I'd be using my own MVC framework for any new iterations of the site.
05 Feb 11, 04:00
By DiscoStu
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It was just an idea. Of course it's not even near enough as it is, but I think it would be easily adaptable (that doesn't mean modifications can't be extensive - they should). But if you have a better plan already, go with it.
05 Feb 11, 04:10
By Crollo
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It is a good name yes, but I just feel the meaning behind the title of a website could reflect it's content far more accurately then that.
05 Feb 11, 05:47
By Striker
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How about GameCrafters.net, since our occupation on the new site will not include only mapping but also the management of other game resources.

[EDIT] That name is already taken, damn.
05 Feb 11, 09:08
By Captain Terror
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modtown.org




This thread has been closed due to: sorted/solved.
05 Feb 11, 09:29
By Skals
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Game / Level Designer
Tomatos?
05 Feb 11, 10:48
By kdunivan
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Worldcrafters.net and Worldcrafters.org are available....

Worldcrafters.com is being sat on...

Same with Worldcrafter.com...

Worldcrafter.net and Worldcrafter.org are also available...
05 Feb 11, 11:05
By Skals
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Game / Level Designer
we don't need a fancy com or net site, we can stick with something crappy like .co.za still it wont make a difference besides the actual price of the site.
05 Feb 11, 11:14
By Captain Terror
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i quite like worldcafter(s), yet the prefix "world" seems possibly a bit pretentious to me.

Maybe kick it down a couple notches?

levelcrafters
mapcrafters
gamecrafters
modcrafters
intermissioninthethirddimensioncrafters

alternatively:

mapmakers
gamemakers
modmakers
candlestickmakers

@skals: i agree about a domain extension not being crucial, though it does add instant credibility to the site, and i guess that can't be ignored..
05 Feb 11, 11:32
By ninja defuse
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goldandsource !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
05 Feb 11, 17:02
By Crollo
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We should make a History of TWHL thread before we make a Future of.
05 Feb 11, 18:31
By DiscoStu
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@Capt. Terror. I don't find it that terrible. I feel it would be worse if it were a suffix - i.e CraftersWorld. That sounds a bit like Wayne's World or that sort of thing and it's too informal for my likes tongue - :P
05 Feb 11, 19:18
By Luke
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goldandsource !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


ITT we still have no idea what the thread is about.
05 Feb 11, 19:19
By Striker
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i quite like worldcafter(s), yet the prefix "world" seems possibly a bit pretentious to me.

Maybe kick it down a couple notches?

levelcrafters
mapcrafters
gamecrafters
modcrafters


*cough*
05 Feb 11, 19:30
By DiscoStu
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The pun is kinda lost there though.
05 Feb 11, 20:06
By Captain Terror
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end of line
I think twhl.info is fantastic.
05 Feb 11, 23:21
By Crollo
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As Disco said the pun is lost and Game Builders just doesn't seem fitting.

Hmm.
06 Feb 11, 04:23
By onureemus
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will there be a email notise of the new website adress?
06 Feb 11, 04:26
By onureemus
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mapcrafters or levelcrafters
would be nice because
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gamecrafters
is like when you make a game or something
06 Feb 11, 07:43
By Jessie
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Ladytype
Crollo, haven't you been banned numerously? Should you even have an opinion on where the site goes?
06 Feb 11, 08:58
By AJ
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Glorious Overlord
Any member that frequents this site is allowed a say.
06 Feb 11, 10:30
By Urby
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Entirely brush based
modvault and worldvault are both available in everything except .com

Also: I think this is a cool idea though. I would love to get into the UDK but I'm happily settled with the TWHL community and don't fancy getting involved with another.

It would be nice to have a place for people to put their skins and models too.

Oooh, and a big reviews section.

Maybe a weekly / monthly podcast / video.

and a pool...
06 Feb 11, 11:36
By Stojke
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= O P L - 3 =
GameCrafters.net

DataBenders.net

GameAssemblers.net

ModdingFusion.net

So many names...
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