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avatar DiscoStu 14th May 2016, 18:27 PM


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avatar Suparsonik says: 14th May 2016, 19:26 PM
I find it odd that I have not gotten that pesky message at all on my computer.
avatar Suparsonik says: 14th May 2016, 19:27 PM
Are you using Windows 7 Home Edition?
avatar Admer456 says: 14th May 2016, 19:34 PM
If so, cancel the update :)

I'd go back to XP though... I could have it as a virtual machine, along with Windows 98, 95, 3.1 and MS-DOS.
avatar Loulimi says: 14th May 2016, 19:38 PM
So far I†thought there were some implicit limits Microsoft wouldn't dare to cross. Looks like I was wrong.
I'm now excepting them to simply force us to do what they want without prompting or informing us.
avatar Striker says: 14th May 2016, 20:06 PM
Instead of lamenting about this, let's face the reality:

1. In the immediate future, Windows 7 is going to expire. It's an excellent system even today and I still see it as a modern operating system. I think it has 4 more years of support if I'm correct. I know it's going to outlive that just as Windows XP did, which is even now used in many enterprises that can't afford to update systems that just... work.

2. Fortunately, software has advanced sufficiently that the linux-based systems are now a good alternative. Honestly if one is not professionally bound to applications that work only on Windows, you can switch with no problems to linux. And linux is not hard to tackle either: Ubuntu is retarded-proof. Even more advanced distros are easier to maintain these days. The only one I've tried and was hardcore was Arch linux, but it falls in another category. There are also the BSD-based systems, but those are usually meant for server-side.

3. Most of the people I know who use Windows 10 don't complain, they even praise it, but most of them have the "I've got nothing to hide" attitude. From my point of view, these people don't get the point. As I see it, it's not about you at the personal level(even though you should care...), but the fact that someone is milking the masses of data and using that data in its self-interest. Because they can. Because it's natural. Until now the consumer was the one who had to be pleased. Now he needn't be. Now the corporation can adjust its services so as to provide maximum perceived quality(by the consumer) while minimizing costs.
But the fact is that Windows 10 is a 10/10 OS without its privacy flaws. So, onward to point 4.

4. I'm sure you've all seen the news: people all over the world use ad-blockers and marketing companies are not happy. Their hunger for too much and forgetting to be reasonable led to their demise: people, at least initiated people, hate seeing so much ads( I personally don't use an ad-blocker, instead I simply don't visit sites that are 80% ads and 20% content... it's a good indicator that the site is shit, but I've always accepted seeing ads as long as they're reasonably placed).
Well I think that's what's going to happen with privacy invasion too, even if it's much harder to tackle. People will become educated in what internet privacy means. For Windows 10 there are already solutions for blocking telemetry with software. A more aggressive one would be a custom built router software that detects these telemetry aspects.

I too have that icon and I'm still reluctant to update. I waiting one more month( afaik, June is the last month you can get it for free).
avatar DiscoStu says: 14th May 2016, 22:30 PM
@ssy: This is Windows 7 Home Premium.

@Admer: Yeah that's what I did. I'm just pissed that it keeps insisting.

@Loulimi: I'm getting off easy. There's plenty of people on the internet that are really pissed because it straight up updated without notice. Rolling back isn't quite as easy as Microsoft claims and often enough problems crop up that brick people's computers and they end up with neither OS.

@Striker: I agree with you on everything, especially point 3. I'd have moved over to Linux long ago if I didn't need to use Windows-only software like AutoCAD, 3DS max, the Adobe suite, etc. I'd have to run them in a VM, which means I'd still have to use Windows.

What pisses me off the most is that they're trying to shove it down my throat. It's MY computer and whatever happens to it is up to ME.
avatar Suparsonik says: 14th May 2016, 22:46 PM
Yeah, I never get it because I have Windows 7 Ultimate. I guess I get no free upgrade to Professional Windows 10 which is fine by me.
avatar Jessie says: 15th May 2016, 02:26 AM
Because of some bullshit that went on with my computer, I'm now running an unregistered copy of Windows 7. It's the exact some one that was running on this computer before, but it refused to accept the fact that this is the same computer with two different parts.
I'll have to get a new copy of Windows at some point so all the annoying little quirks go away, and I'll probably get Windows 10. But I have to come into some disposable funds before that happens.
avatar DiscoStu says: 15th May 2016, 04:40 AM
Funds are never disposable :P
avatar Shepard62700FR says: 15th May 2016, 12:24 PM
Building up on what Striker said :

1) The standard support for Windows 7 ended in 2015, the extended support will end in 2020. A lot of enterprises here in France are still on Windows XP and refuses to upgrade to Windows 7 or 10 because they think that Windows XP has been the best Windows in the whole history and I tend to agree with them.

2) Ubuntu is the worst Linux distro since their move to the Unity desktop, if you take a look at Ubuntu 16.10 specs, you need 2 Gb of RAM and 1,2 Ghz of CPU to run it properly. Seriously Canonical ? Do you think I'm gonna ride a CitroŽn 2 CV when I can ride a Porsche 918 Spyder with Arch Linux ? This is the first thing I'm telling to people that wish to try and/or move to Linux : go for Arch Linux if you have the patience and wish to build a PC that suits you, if you need an "out of the box" Linux distro, go for Manjaro. Windows 10 should have integrated the "standard Linux software", not those "Ubuntu derivatives".

3) Since Windows 8, I've been complaining about the "Access Denied"/"You can't do this unless you have administrator privileges" when you add/edit/remove files outside of your personal folder. One of the solution could be to disable UAC (User Account Control) but some stuff won't work because of that. So you spend your time, copy/paste the file you wish to edit to your desktop, edit that copy, move that copy to overwrite the original with Admin privileges, test if it works and repeat if it don't. Don't get me wrong, when you create an account on Windows, by default it's an "Administrator", in theory, you should have the liberty what pleases on your PC.

Something I hate since Windows 8 are those "Metro" apps like "Mail", "Calendar", it gives me the feeling that I am on my phone and not on my PC. Luckily, we have tools to remove them.

I was running Windows 10 months ago, and I had a notification telling me that "Updates were available", I clicked on it, pressed the "Update Now" button, waited a few minutes and Windows 10 told me that it need to reboot to finish, so I pressed the "Restart now" button. Everything was doing great until instead of having the loading icon at boot time I had a BSoD. I tried rebooting, rebooting in safe mode, using recovery tools in the Windows 10 DVD, Boot-repair (Linux) and my Windows 10 installation was "dead" because of an update. I said that "enough bullshit is enough" and went back to Windows 7. I loose a little bit of performance but I have stability instead.

4) Using that "telemetry blocker" software is the first thing I do after I install Windows 10 for me, my GF or a friend and I agree on the fact that it's YOUR PC and like a software licence would say : you "DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT" and this is what I really like about Linux and I would be moving permanently to it if developers would stop supporting Microsoft only. I know that packaging applications on Linux is a pain in the ***, but it shouldn't be a barrier.

For reminder, the free Windows 10 offer end in 29th July, after that it's a $139 licence cost.
avatar DiscoStu says: 15th May 2016, 20:48 PM
I agree Windows XP was great for its time. Now, however, it's fifteen years old and obsolete. Windows 95 was also great for its time, and nobody in their right mind would use it anymore.

W7 is fantastic and probably the best version so far, but I'm not going to hold on to it as if it were the last operating system in the world if a better one comes along. I mean a proper one. It WILL be obsolete eventually, so if this goes on I'll just move over to Linux after a few years. By that time, I'll probably have a new computer too so the old one will keep W7.
avatar Loulimi says: 15th May 2016, 21:33 PM

Concerning your second point, that's mostly wrong in my opinion: There's not only professional software. There's also games, general softwares... Windows also has its perks over Linux, including the fast boot, the Windows 8†UI (how come?†you don't like it? :p )

You're right concerning Ubuntu, God I don't know why it is so praised and recommended for beginners. Although I†would advise fedora. Unlike Ubuntu which has the worse ever made Desktop Environment since the ancient Greeks, fedora has a sparse and very good one and God far far far less bugs.

@Striker + @Shepard + @DiscoStu + @everyone fuck yeah
For the third point Striker, I simply don't agree with these people who praise Windows 10. It is for me a devolution. And that explains the fact I am reluctant to update Windows 8.
Let's be honest, I am not saying Windows 8 is a good OS, but it introduced what I†think are genial and long awaited features: apps, and a new UI: a Start menu bigger than a thumbnail, buttons and options you can click without aiming at them for hours.
I perfectly know what I said is highly controversial, but I'll explain myself.
Apps: it's just necessary for an OS†to have a unified place to look for harmless software you can install, uninstall and review easily. With the traditional system, all software are potentially harmful or not fully removable, and do not offer a cohesive experience (clicking an icon which opens an app taking all the screen is a cohesive experience I like). Now I think, as for linux, you should be able to chose the server from where you want to install apps.
Now, concerning the UI. I like it because I feel resting and home with it. I†like the fact apps can only take 3 sizes and positions, it makes everything more simpler, the screen more easy to understand. I like the Internet Explorer 10 ergonomics. With everything hidden until you right click at one end of the screen. It helps so much to concentrate, and it makes me feel so much better. I†like the fact the taskbar is hidden by default ( even though sometimes it doesn't want to reappear). I like the big buttons, the sparse and simple presentation of elements in apps and on the start menu. Call me clumsy, but on the classical UI, I feel like I†need so much efforts to identify the button I want to click on and to click on it. Especially for the contextual menu. With Windows 8, its' far more easier with the 2 dimensional start menu.

Just to repeat myself, I don't like this OS, but I†think it's the less worse Windows. There are a lot of flaws with it: obscure messages ("taking care of a few things"), duplicated options applications, lack of options with applications, the charm bar, the fact apps take ages to load and are unstable, the necessity to use a Microsoft account to use apps. I just think Windows should go further with Windows 8 and fix all those flaws.
avatar 2muchvideogames says: 17th May 2016, 07:34 AM

microsoft still doesnt test their own updates i see
avatar sample vodka says: 19th May 2016, 18:15 PM
avatar DoctorAmazing says: 26th May 2016, 17:19 PM
"Upgrade Now" and "OK"
Good design there Microshaft
avatar DiscoStu says: 26th May 2016, 18:28 PM
Yeah they pulled a few other tricks before: First it was [Upgrade now] and [Upgrade later]. Then it became [Upgrade now] and [Upgrade tonight].

I never clicked either and made sure there wasn't an "opt out" option anywhere before X'ing out. Until it scheduled itself anyway because fuck you and what you want your own computer to do, right?
avatar DiscoStu says: 28th May 2016, 03:53 AM
Yeah there are a handful of those. But I always forget to download them :P

Still, I shouldn't be actively working to prevent it, I should be the one making it happen.

That said, why does the first screenshot look like... Linux?
avatar Stojke says: 28th May 2016, 07:49 AM
Just remove the updates designated for the update process and hide them from required windows updates list.

And people should stop being so autistic about new versions of Windows operating system regarding its security, privacy and looks, its free ffs. As if any of us have any data that means anything to anyone important, and if any one has any illegal data, or activities, either live with it openly or move onto an deserted island that has no laws. Man up sissies.
avatar DiscoStu says: 28th May 2016, 17:13 PM
Linux is free too and doesn't decide what I need on my computer on my behalf.
avatar Stojke says: 28th May 2016, 17:38 PM
The fact that the same thing has not happened on my computer, and I use windows 8.1 for a few years now, on English language, and the fact that I know that you need to confirm the installation in order for it to progress only suggest to me that some people have no idea on how to use their computer and would gladly waste hours and/or days posting how disgusted they are instead of spending around 10 minutes only for finding the most logical solution and getting to know their operating system more.
avatar Loulimi says: 28th May 2016, 22:00 PM
"And people should stop being so autistic about new versions of Windows operating system regarding its security, privacy and looks, its free ffs."
And you should stop being insulting towards those people as well as autistic people. Also using insults is not a way to cover your lack of arguments.
Windows's not free (Windows 10†is only available free for a limited period of time), and if you don't care about the privacy, security and look of your OS, that's great, but I don't know why you should force people to be as indifferent as you.
I do care about my privacy, the security of my OS and lastly about the look of it. I think that people who don't are reckless and misinformed and that people like you who don't and insult those who do are being stupid and unbearable...

"the fact that I know that you need to confirm the installation in order for it to progress only suggest to me that some people have no idea on how to use their computer and would gladly waste hours and/or days posting how disgusted they are instead of spending around 10 minutes only for finding the most logical solution and getting to know their operating system more."
You're being offensive and saying stupid things again.†Windows is still barely doing what we told it to do but has an aggressive and frustrating way of urging us to update Windows deserves to be criticized. Using an OS†shouldn't require a PHD, nor should it be complicated. You may use your computer while being tired, focused on other things than you OS. Thus any normal person would find annoying the fact of being obliged to go into the Windows's settings in order to find how to disable the frequent reminder for Windows 10 when you never asked for it, and even more annoying the fact that the buttons are frequently swapped so you end up clicking the "Install now" button when you wanted to click on the "Cancel" button which you thought was there because it was there before.
avatar Stojke says: 28th May 2016, 22:33 PM
What a stupid response, just 20 years ago you would have needed an intensive computer training course in order to use one. Computers are there to be used as tools and serve the user not as a replacement for your own brain. The problem with why windows and many other aspects of it are retarded as they are is because a good part of the userbase is as well.
A computer can not, and should not, think for you, you should think for your self and instruct a computer what to do. If a user is too dumb to do a simple infromative search on how to disable certain aspects of his operating system that he does not desire, and thank god EVERYTHING can be disabled or enabled, he should inform and educate himself.
I said autistic because people really love to be retarded today instead to invest time and sweat, and I personally do not believe autistic people are any more different than anybody else, they are just misfortunate to be unable to completely controll them selfes with ease.
avatar DiscoStu says: 29th May 2016, 05:56 AM
Stojke, you are an idiot.

Some people may not be very well acquainted with the inner workings of their computer and its operating system, but the whole point of this is that people who do are pissed because Windows is doing things behind their back despite their explicit setting not to take a certain action. And with reason. Wouldn't you be pissed if your computer decided to do something you specifically told it not to do?

The features (or lack of) of a new OS aside, it is my computer. I'm the one who paid for it and its sole purpose is to serve me, that is why I have it. No matter what it offers and how much it insists, the last say should be mine.

In this thread (and other threads related to the topic) you called me, as well as others, autistic, computer illiterate, and lazy. I take offense to that.
avatar Stojke says: 29th May 2016, 06:04 AM
The whole point is, if you dont know something, get to know it. It took me 3 minutes of reading to find an solution for the people who faced this problem. A whole lot of 3 microsoft windows updates were causing the update process to occur, and still only after you approved it you self. Windows is not doign anything behind its users backs that was not already announced and mentioned.
You paid for an, now outdated, version of windows operating system that is entitled to free update to the newest, more improved, version and you dont want to. Obviously you dont want your computer to serve you, you want to serve it.
Lack of thinking has lead to masses of users to complain, not bad functionality of an multi milion dollar invesment operating system.
avatar DiscoStu says: 30th May 2016, 06:18 AM
Windows is doing things behind users' backs.

There's plenty of this all over the internet. Inform yourself.

Windows 7 can be as outdated as you want, but it's still my computer. I'll be the one to decide if it gets updated or not.
avatar Dimbeak says: 1st June 2016, 17:00 PM
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avatar DiscoStu says: 2nd June 2016, 04:02 AM
So did you update?
avatar Dimbeak says: 2nd June 2016, 05:17 AM
Nah, my dude. Not interested in Windows 10 until I'm 100% sure that all of my emulators and old games will work on it.
avatar Admer456 says: 3rd June 2016, 21:09 PM
Well, congratulations, you've just reached your 30th comment!
avatar DiscoStu says: 4th June 2016, 03:23 AM
30 is not a prime. But 31 is!
avatar TJB says: 7th November 2016, 11:33 AM
And 32 is a nice round number.
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