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avatar Snehk 11th June 2017, 09:21 AM

I need some advice on studying abroad.

I have a TOEFL Junior certificate with rank Superior (my score was 850/900) and now I'm considering taking a TOEFL iBT test that might well increase my chance of moving out of Poland and study abroad. I'm considering countries of western europe, since I rather won't afford flying to other continents. Currently I'm waiting for my Matura exam results, but might take the test in the meanwhile.

Can anyone give me some advice on studying abroad? What are good universities out there, how expensive it is, any job perspectives?


avatar Archie says: 11th June 2017, 12:35 PM
Daubster and Loulimi both did it in Scotland. Worth shooting them a pm (maybe an email to daub - he's not around here much anymore.)
It depends a lot on what sort of course you want to do. Abertay University has a very well renowned game design course that Rockstar North handpick staff from every year.
avatar Snehk says: 11th June 2017, 12:58 PM
I was thinking about continuing forestry, or going for anything biology related rather than game design. Thanks for the tip, though.
avatar Loulimi says: 11th June 2017, 15:30 PM
Dundee's a nice place, I like it (and I consider staying there). Quite boring though, but I actually like the fact it's calm.
It's quite cheap for the UK, but still more expensive than Poland I believe. It's not hard to find a job if you're into computing / web development, but even if you're not I don't think it's that hard either (most students I know from there have a job).
I can't remember if they accepted the TOEFL, I remember I had to pass the IELTS test to be admitted, which was quite expensive.
There is a lot of Polish students and the Polish society is quite active.
Who knows, maybe I'll see you there someday... :p
avatar Snehk says: 11th June 2017, 19:32 PM
For a pole, studying anywhere abroad is expensive. 1 Pound/ 1 USD is almost 5 PLN, 1 Euro is about 4 PLN.

I like calm places, so I might check it. Though all the brexit bullshit and latest events discourage from moving anywhere...
avatar Striker says: 11th June 2017, 19:47 PM
For a pole, studying anywhere abroad is expensive. 1 Pound/ 1 USD is almost 5 PLN, 1 Euro is about 4 PLN.

I'm rather surprised, that's on par with my country's currency. I'm surprised because, afaik, Poland exports a lot of stuff, absorbed a lot of Europe funds and overall has a much healthier economy. That's what I understood at least from local news stories. It's also reflected in the kefir from my fridge, that I bought from Lidl - it's imported from Poland. Oh and you must have heard about TME... almost any electronic components are imported, if not from China, Poland.

I like calm places, so I might check it. Though all the brexit bullshit and latest events discourage from moving anywhere...

I get that feeling. Some people ask me if I want to go abroad at some point... and you know, I realize that I'm a bit scared to do that. I've become too comfortable in my place now... altohugh I should change that. catWithNewsPaper.jpg. It's also when I saw those videos of immigrants in Calais last year or when, it gave me a strong impression that the social fabric in the west is slowly falling apart. (not that it's any better here)

It's quite cheap for the UK, but still more expensive than Poland I believe.
Perhaps anywhere but London, right?

@Snehk: What motivates you to go study abroad? And why UK?
avatar DiscoStu says: 11th June 2017, 20:12 PM
A common mistake is judging a country's economy by the exchange rates. Exchange rates don't matter, they're just a number. What matters is how much you make vs. the costs of living. What's left is what determines what else you can do with your life.

To stay on topic, I heard good things of some Spanish universities but I forgot which. And Spain is a nice place.
avatar Striker says: 11th June 2017, 20:26 PM
Spain seems significantly cheaper than the rest of west Europe.

Although the only things I know about Spain is Seat, Chorizo and some stuff from For Whom The Bell Tolls.
avatar Snehk says: 11th June 2017, 22:37 PM
I'm considering it as an option mainly because I like to have many plans and opportunities. It doesn't necessarily have to be UK. And the are a few good universities in Poland as well.

I'm kinda afraid of moving to another city, and moving abroad is full of even bigger potential dangers.

Here costs of life are kinda high, especially medicine, taxes and education. And any construction is a literal money sink - just recently cast a drive-in to my house with concrete, and paid well over 4000PLN. For me it was a cosmic amount, since I don't work, parents are ill and don't work as well, and money from government lasts for really short time...
avatar Daubster says: 13th June 2017, 13:41 PM
I'd move with the intention to work while you study - I'd suggest moving early and getting a job over the summer before uni starts in September/October. You can certainly support yourself while in part-time work (20-30hrs/wk) while in university in the UK, unless you're someplace really expensive (London etc.), but then again finding better work is far easier in large cities. As others have said, it doesn't matter how expensive a place is if they pay more proportionately.

If you're gonna do games, just find other amateur devs wherever you are locally and start on your own projects. Approach it as you would mapping or modding, try to collaborate on small things to get your bearings initially. Always favour smaller/more boring projects that you can ship instead of huge daunting things that have a high chance of never getting completed.

Uni alone doesn't land you anything these days, and even the best courses can be out-of-date due to how fast the industry moves technically. You basically need to have made games before you can land any kind of decent industry job these days. University can only facilitate/support that at best, maybe throw in some networking opportunities, but it's still down to your work at the end of the day. On the bright side, game dev tools have never been as good/accessible as they are now, what with Unity/Unreal etc. Prime time to go for it! [/rant]
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