You can't have monsters targeting a multisource directly. Instead, have the headcrabs trigger a button or a trigger_relay which triggers the multisource. In other words, have something in between.

Thanks Muzz i didn't know that! = )

looks like you've put a lot of work into this as Urbanebula said and i agree. That said i think this mod deserves custom textures or even souped up original textures. Nothing is more of a letdown than seeing the same goddamn "fifties" "lab" and "generic" textures over and over and over again. (i know you said you want to keep it "simple" but come come what is simpler than wadincluding the textures?)

Still also, like urban said, really good work... the stuff just in that video would take me months to do! = )

leaf saws are tricky and possibly one of the most annoying and hard to diagnose errors in goldsource editing(imo). the best way to combat them is to backup your work often so you can just go back if you can't find the problem. (I notice you said you went a few steps back, but maybe you didn't go back far enough before the leaf-saws were occuring)

Here are some other things you might try or keep in mind for leaf saws (if you still can't fix it upload the map and i'll look at it for you if you like):

--"Warning: Leaf portals saw into leaf

Problem at portal between leaves 477 and 502:
   (-150.000 -1890.400 320.000)
(-166.131 -1877.598 -64.070)
(-166.052 -1877.558 -64.070)
(-165.957 -1877.515 -64.000):" ERROR:

Caused by a bad brush, whether you or Hammer did it, lol! = )

A good portion of the time, this error comes up erroneously, sometimes on even the simplest architecture, inexplicably. These dreaded Leaf-saw errors are interrelated to many other errors in Hammer compile, which makes them especially infuriating and hard to diagnose and quantify.

Disappearing Brushes and HOM can be the cause of a single one of these "leaf-saw" errors. Multiple Coplanar errors (Coplanar Plane errors on every brush in your map) can be caused by one leaf-saw error. If you have a problem in your map, check the compile log... there is probably a "leaf-saw" error!

These Errors alone are the reason I constantly back up my levels. They can cause your whole map to be uncompilable and/or extremely difficult to find the problem.

FIXES:

-VIS -full. Many "leaf-saws" that come up in FAST and NORMAL VIS will disappear in FULL.

-copy/paste method. copy the whole map into a new .rmf file, recompile.

-Func_walling. Find the bad brush or brushes and make them func_walls (make them illusionaries if you have a tight clipnode budjet).

-revert to an earlier, error-free version

-eliminate any structures/brushes outside the compilable area of your map (even if they are nulled they can still possibly cause this and other problems).

-sometimes rotating multiple complex objects causes this error, especially using "ctrl-m" to move them. Try shift-rotating instead, or rotating less objects at a time.

-Some other errors may erroneously cause leaf-saw errors. Make sure there aren't any other "problems" with your map you might be overlooking!

-The simplest, most innocent looking structure can potentially be the culprit of your leaf-saw error, and can erroneously spawn additional leaf-saw errors. A lot of time working fast in hammer you can alter a brush VMing without even realizing you have with one slip of the mouse! Find the culprit brush and kill it!

-If none of this helps, divide your map into quadrants and temporarily delete sections, then compile and see if the error comes up (ctrl-z to undelete ok parts, or export to another map). once you've narrowed it down to one quarter of the map, it should be a lot easier to find the bad brush or brushes.

i had not time to finish my entry, hell i never even got started... = P

i was going to do my puzzle based on using physics objects but i had tons of trouble in the testing phase and i'm brand new to source mapping... plus i only thought of an idea 5 days before the end = ( [/excuse]

Anyway can't wait to see the results!

agreed they would be relatively easy to build as world models, BUT they would look substantially better as regular models imo. (i would use world models because i'm lazy and i can't skin, but i'm just saying)

awww i'm trying to make a 4 x 8 foot wall that you can pick up and move around, so i'm guessing it will be too big? If i use a model and prop_physics or prop_dynamic?

can you make func_physbox pickupable?

Urbanebula: that looks outstanding, esp for Goldsource. I've always wanted to to regular residential myself, or like a midtown apartment complex, but i've never fsr.

S3IZURE: those screens look quite nice.

Muzz: excellent and clean as per usual... neat to see your still modding goldsource! = )

srry: Looks quite nice and again nice to see people still modding goldsource(that is, if you do and you're still working on it). I would bitch about the original textures but it looks good.

4 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes and some odd seconds left...

It's finally a reprieve from work, so i'm actually going to try to build a puzzle entry in the time left and in source, for which i've only made 3 maps in my entire life...

If nothing else it should be a fun, entity-learning exercise, and highly embarassing most assuredly. = )

come come now let's be frank: uh they are giant skyboxed things with rectangular platforms and retarded textures... As far as the VM and the neat counters in those, i'm guessing it's copypasta (though i must admit i never actually looked at surf geometry to see how intricate it was...)

my poop is origianl every time too

redesigned CS maps have to be the lamest kind out there

Not true. Surf maps are pretty high, if not the very tippy-top of the lame list.

I always wanted to make a cs_assault clone just to see if i could do it (when i first started mapping) I would still like to do it, but i have lots of other stuff i want to do more, first

we could just use the batch script capt p mentioned. For Source, i guess we would just use the hammer compiler and standard tools? (sorry i haven't posted in so long, i've been too busy to even check my email, seriously--my account is probably suspended from nonuse i'm not joking)

I'll have some free time tomorrow, i'll try to setup a goldsource package then, if any of u-all are still interested.

StarCraft 2
Black Mesa Source
Half-Life: 6-D
Half-life: Static Friction

k so i guess the distribution should include something like:

goldsource
-Compile tools (so we all use the same version)
batch script from captain p (plus decide on compile switches for vis and rad)
A map and wads i guess if we need them?

source
i really don't know since i'm pretty new to source. afaik everyone
uses the standard tools and compiler, or can you use batch scripts for source too? Just pick a map or maps and we should be good? (somebody who maps for source a lot should pick...)

We choose 1 or more source maps, and 1 or more goldsource maps, and everyone "take them home" to compile and report your compile times/system specs, all with the same compile settings, compiler, etc of course.

Might be fun to see how your computer ranks... we could list member name and computer specs and compile time, etc...

We also might just use 1 big map from each engine, or 1 small, medium, and large one from each to get more interesting info... i dunno, what do you think?

19 days left and work is slowing down for me finally, so i might join.

I have some fun--i hope--puzzle ideas, and it's going to be in source. Since i've only just started Source mapping. i'm not going to get my hopes up about any medals for this = )

This is not the thread for for asking about models! start a thread or search forum or google or all of the above.

; )

it has possibly the best texturing tools I've ever seen.

Sweet. Maybe i'll start modelling again. the 3ds max uvw unwrapping is ridiculously time consuming and gay.

The maprookie site looks neglected and sad. didn't you used to have a flash interface and/or a shoutbox/comments? I could be wrong, but it seems a lot simpler than i remember. Plus the 6D demo link are brokie... = (

I'm going to get acronis to image my drive--new computer so there isn't much clutter yet--, so i never have to worry about all the trouble of reformatting... not that it's a big deal or anything, it just takes you time to set everything up the way you had it.

It's good to clean house once in a while = )

I totally agree about getting the better hdd... 160GB is too too small and HDDs are ridiculously cheap.

I would get a better gfx card too, but you could do a lot worse than the 9600 fo sho. Check out a video card benchmarking list and weigh the price differences to the performance superiority of other cards, and maybe you might consider increasing the budget? ; )

Anyway a nice, upgradable comp for cheap = win. = )

Yeah, height seems right, but widths seem too skinny.

right but if you set to inches/feet, and your building your house that is 30 feet long my question is: can you make it 30 feet long in hammer and it should be correct/proportional?

Do units correspond to the real world unlike HL1? I set units to feet/inches and made a 8x8 square and it seems too small. If you know dimensions of what your building is it advisable to use them?

yeah i thought so... they have hundereds of cs:s tutorials lol = 0

totally. I hate the hammer compile window... = )

oh kkk good to know = )

not even the custom compile tools?

What source tools/programs/etc do you use?

I only have the latest CST from Amckern's site so far. going to try the compilator next probably...

The Transformers remake blew dick... bad movie was bad. Most of the transformation sequences and action scenes were sped up so fast you couldn't even tell what was going on. I don't understand why people thought it was so amazing. Plus Shia Labeouf is a fucking toolbag, period.

Lots of my friends and most people i talked to enjoyed it though, so i guess he did a good job if the majority of the people liked it.

wow, navigating twhl, pages load almost instantly. (that is chrome's doing?) the forum search still takes forever tho lol = )

Found a fix in a fpsbanana tutorial for the camera reorienting into nothingness land when you open your map, mentioned earlier, by using a camera.

Hit the camera button and place/move a camera to the center of your map. then aim it straight down and above the center of your level, or where ever you want it to point.

From now on when you open the map it should remember the last spot your camera was looking at (as long as you saved) and not to the edge of the grid and emptly space land! This saves you a step by not having to drop the view menu and click "center on 3d selection" every time you open your map.

I think you can reorient back to that camera view at any time, but i don't know how to do that yet! (if somebody knows more about cameras, please post!)

the video is intriguing, i guess i'll have to try it...

so anybody want to play? anybody up for some iceworld for noob practice for noobs like me? = )

If i'm using the SDK and put my system on standby, when i come back my native resolution (1600x1000) is changed to 1024x768. Is this my computer/gfx drivers or is this another Hammer 4 quirk?

lol like "render" for 3ds max or are you making a twister reference lol?

Holy shit-awsomeness i hope you do. you could really do that?

and i don't give a fuck if carving is there or not, i was simply demonstrating the gayness of the designers removing useful functions and leaving hot garbage like said carving.

I thought hammer 3.x was quite perfect btw. Maybe i just got super-used to it, but i had no problem with it or all the errors and leaks most people complain about, though i'll admit it is a bit buggy.

Anyway i've been using hammer 4 for about an hour now and haven't found any new things shitty (yet). That grouping thing and the texture properties is really pissing me off still, but i'm trying really hard to adjust myself.

wow a new browser i'll have to go home and crap myself.

So the Google toolbar has morphed into a whole (probably) shitty browser... can't wait to see how bad it is. (actually will probably end up being the coolest thing ever)

hey muzz do you know if there is something registry-based i could do in vista to maybe fix some of this stuff?! (or any other ideas to customize the interface for that matter)

can noobs come?

when is the noob training scheduled? i have a high-performing computer/good ping but i suck so bad it helps me not that much. Maybe an Adopt-a-Newb progam!?

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Wow now that i've found all my goldsource editing tools work on my x64 vista machine--I totally thought they wouldn't--, i guess i'm not pigeon-holed into mapping for source, but i would really don't want to waste my time mapping for a dying engine. I hope i have the patience, and Hammer 4 does not push me over the bullshit threshold too soon. :/

edit:
(preface: i want to thank everyone for being helpful and putting up with my rants so far. I hope i get used to the new quirks sooner than later. thanks for allowing me to vent. = ) )

And the list continues...

-Fun with window states!

I remove the texture bar from the right toolbar from the "View" menu using the "Screen Elements" thingie, and every fucking time i open texture properties, fucking presto! Hammer restores the texture bar right back for no reason.

I mean why even have screen elemtents toggle if Hammer just magically restores them at will? What. The. Goddamn. Fuck?! (turning hammer off/on does the same thing as some kind of sweet bonus, which is pretty cool i'm not guna lie)
-They carried Carving over from 3.x to 4!!

Wow what a crucical function that i used all the time in 3.x... I mean, wtf would i do without the goddamn carving utility!!!

I mean, they remove crucial functions and optionality i took advantage of on a constant basis, but they keep the fucking carving. Carving: the worst, most stupidest, most useless piece of flaming dogshit to ever grace an editor on twenty habitated worlds. I mean, why woudln't they?

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I have to ask now, is hammer 4 open source or is there any way i can edit the functions!? I'll totally learn to code just to add some functions like the show-all button, and some other things. Totally serious.

Is there a bitch list that valve pays attention too tha they might actually update it? I really fucking doubt they'll listen to anything i have to say, but whatevs i'll try.

<turns off hammer 4 again, disgusted, and contimplates going to the doctor for anti-pissed-turn-happy pills. :raving rant rawr: >

I'm going to Subway to drown out my frustrations in a 12-inch chicken-bacon-ranch, veggie chips, and 2 liters of soda. (anyone wanta come with?)

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the first 2 hammmer links are dead, or a least they don't work for me. maybe we should add comments to the links section too so people can give updated information regarding links on-the-fly?

I don't think i'm looking for an excuse... i've been waiting to map for source ever since it came out. I'm just highly pissed when a new version of a an application doesn't provide at least the same functionality of the previous version, much less take away whole fucking features.

what is orange box hammer?

No idea what that means but i'll check it out.

And the list of complaints continues:

-There is no shortcut to "Center 3D views on selection" and i need to use this all the time to orient myself in the the 3D window, plus unfalingly every goddamn time i open a new map, because it ALWAYS centers on empty black space for me.

I'd almost prefer using 3dsmax to this...I guess i'll have to get used to it if i want to map for source, yet i don't have to like it...

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-wow it doesn't seem 8-times larger but I'll take your word for it. (maybe also it's a video card driver issue?) And when i said empty box i didn't mean literally, but maybe only 35 brushes and light takes almost 10 minutes. I shudder to think how long a real map will take...

The hide/unhide/show all is using visgroups but not naming them. I always disabled the filter control window (and the other stuff on the right side of the window) to give me more viewable space. I always felt it was also much simpler than using named visgroups anyway, but whatevs.

If this annoying bullshit continues i just might have to stick with goldsource for eternity and start cutting myself again...

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I just started source mapping and right off the bat i'm becoming a bit agitated. (a bad day to run out of cigarettes) I searched the forum but didn't find these items addressed. (is it me or the god-awful search function?) List of questions so far:

-the back clipping plane distance is soooo short. Even turned all the way up, i can barely see an eighth of my map and {it is not a big map). Is there some way to make the clipping distance larger? Seemed like in hammer 3.x you could view the whole editing space if you wanted.

-No shift rotate for 15 degree rotations?

-you have to be logged on to steam to edit your maps... how fucking stupid, and my offline mode fails almost every fucking time i try it.

-Stupidly long Compile times for a stupidly small map. wtf? i could compile the most absurdly complicated map on my old machine in under 10 minutes and this is taking 5 minutes to compile an almost empty box of nothing? What the goddamn fuck? :rawr:

-Hide selected/hide unselected/show-all: there is no fucking show-all button!?

I don't want to go backward, and retreat to the comfort/familiarity of goldsource mapping, but PLEASE tell me there are some fixes for some of the above mentioned!?

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Search the map vault for "teleport" and/or "target", and if you find that part, you can probably make it work with the random event generator recently posted in the map vault.

Maybe we can arrange a daily/weekly time when we can all meet and play? or have events with drinks and chips or something