Thanks. im using source btw, HL2DM. THis is going into my own map not someone elses. Our clan is running a benefit type thing and im making maps for certain events. Neway dos neone know how to make a running timer? logic_timer doesnt work like im looking for. IM making an obstacle course map and would like to have a player push a button at the start to start the timer and then when they open the door to the exit it makes the timer stop. I dont mind if it doesnt show on screen but that would be a bonus.