Slow Internets are slow Created 7 years ago2012-07-21 09:06:16 UTC by digital_ice digital_ice

Created 7 years ago2012-07-21 09:06:16 UTC by digital_ice digital_ice

Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 09:06:16 UTC Post #308162
Morning all,

Boredom setting in now as I wait for my 900k internet to finish updating my steam library before I can play anything. Can't even pull down the latest revisions of The Core and keep working on that... that's how crap my d/l speed is.

Openreach are (apparently) upgrading all the cabs here to fibre... but they seem to have missed mine. according to last years leaked rollout docs, my cab was due to be upgraded to offer FTTP if we paid extra for it. maybe that's the hold up.

Just wondering what the average net speed is amongst us lot (and yes archie, you're going to sway the averages so shh) and if anyone knows of a provider that seems to consistently offer faster connection than most.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 09:42:26 UTC Post #308165
You are aware that asking a forum which consists of a whole ton of Americans you're just going to get yourself all depressed when it comes to net connection speeds.

Having said that, there are also the Australian members who we can laugh at to balance things out. :P
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Upload speeds really do suck though. 2 hours or so to upload a ten minute video. Pfft.
UrbaNebula UrbaNebulaGoldSourcerer
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 09:48:16 UTC Post #308166
I used to have 1.5Mb/s internet for years, until a few months ago i switched to 35Mb/s :>
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 10:56:13 UTC Post #308167
28 Kbps. I also get 1 GB of bandwidth a month on a connection that goes anywhere from nothing to 3Mb (Apparently) depending on signal strength, which seems to be influenced (negatively) by how badly I need to use it.

This thread will be depressing for me.
JeffMOD JeffMODCall 141.12
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 11:00:10 UTC Post #308168
Here's mine:

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You are aware that asking a forum which consists of a whole ton of Americans you're just going to get yourself all depressed when it comes to net connection speeds.
I thought more than half of the people on TWHL are European.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 11:03:21 UTC Post #308169
Yeah, we have more Europeans on TWHL than Americans. Also, I'm pretty sure that American Internet speeds are much worse than in Europe.
Penguinboy PenguinboyHaha, I died again!
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 12:37:30 UTC Post #308170
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Just recently upgraded to a fibre optic line for no extra cost.
Archie ArchieGoodbye Moonmen
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 14:56:56 UTC Post #308173
I'm on 5Mb/s, and I'm also next to one of the largest internet hubs on the planet. It isn't as fast as European internet there, but I honestly don't care for it to be faster. My latencies are awesome, and I usually fire+forget about my downloads so I can "oooh" them in surprise/excitement when they are done.

Also I love how Striker's 20Mb/s internet is slower than 60 of Romania. Damn >_>
TheGrimReafer TheGrimReaferADMININATOR
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 15:32:18 UTC Post #308175
Daubster can tell you the details on what we have over here @ Lithuania
11.1 Mb/s constant (thats 100 MB/s or whatever) and thats just the cheapest plan.
But currently im sitting on 3G where there is no 3G coverage so 28kbps give or take :)
rufee rufeeSledge fanboy
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 16:25:59 UTC Post #308183
@Rchi.

I thought you had the Virgin super-duper 120Mb broadband.
I feel a little better now I know it's only 20Mb.

My mother gets 65mbps at her house... but I'd have to go to my mothers house. Double edged sword methinks.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:23:04 UTC Post #308194
^Heh heh.

I have what's probably the cheapest internet access available in my area. Doesn't mean it's cheap though. Costs about $60/month. They advertise it as 1.5mbps (which was pretty good when I got it in 2004) but the most I get is 128kbps down and some 20kbps up.

Being relatively close to the connection point of a transatlantic fibre line doesn't help. I blame it on those 128kbps being an entirely artificial limit.

A friend of mine has the same provider, he called them last week and only said he was going to move over to the competition. Apparently they gave him an upgrade to 5mbps free of charge for a year. FOR A YEAR. BLOODY SCAMMERS.

And to think the other day I was talking to someone from the US, that was complaining about the sucky 10mbps because they get 100mbps symmetrical at MIT.

Let's all get depressed together.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:29:48 UTC Post #308196
wow stu i thought mine was slow. you're saying 128 kbps, so that divided by 8 is you kB/s speed(correct?), which would be 16kB/s?

Mine is bad too, but not that bad, i get about 300kB/s(tethering on my 3G android) and i barely get by with that... ='(
Captain Terror Captain Terrorwhen a man loves a woman
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:33:24 UTC Post #308197
Actually it is 128 KB/s. Wrong letter casing, my bad. 128 kilobytes/second.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:37:38 UTC Post #308198
oh, well that's not too horrible then :)
Captain Terror Captain Terrorwhen a man loves a woman
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:42:32 UTC Post #308200
It still is a pretty crappy service compared to what everybody else has.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:51:04 UTC Post #308201
Russia Convex block Amdins -> 1Gb/s
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 20:52:04 UTC Post #308202
TO RUSSIA!
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:00:27 UTC Post #308204
Wait, speeds like that exist?

Disco got room in your suitcase for a skinny dude?
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:02:40 UTC Post #308205
Yes. Pick you up at NYC Grand Central on 26 Sept.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:08:36 UTC Post #308206
Way bigger speed exist. But not opened to wide public of course.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:20:31 UTC Post #308207
Russia Convex block Amdins -> 1Gb/s
uh-hm... only ssds and some hard-drives are capable working with transfer speeds like that.

[offtopic] Since we're talking about the internet, I heard a whole bunch of new domains will be introduced this year, inaugurating the IPv6... I bet you heard about the IP crisis.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:20:35 UTC Post #308208
A block administrator controls the internet transfer and network of a certain city block.
And his hard drive has nothing to do with that.

And there are devices with much bigger storage speeds than SSD standard invented 10 years ago.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:21:29 UTC Post #308209
And there are devices with much bigger storage speeds than SSD standard invented 10 years ago.
Tell me about it.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:24:32 UTC Post #308210
Your L1 CPU cache runs at 200Gb/s
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:25:45 UTC Post #308211
...

One does not store files in his CPU cache.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:25:58 UTC Post #308212
Then blitz went to Newegg to look at SSD and then blitz got sad.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:34:05 UTC Post #308213
L1 cache is a memory chip just like an SSD.
And you store DATA in memory in BINARY code not "files" lol.

[Edit]
All caps is just to bring your attention to it not yelling (me no angy).
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 21:52:23 UTC Post #308215
Having said that, there are also the Australian members who we can laugh at to balance things out.
It's not that bad.

I got 9.97Mbps download and 0.49Mbps upload.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 22:49:09 UTC Post #308222
Hah. I only got 1.4Mbps download and .3mbps upload. But it's okay! Because I've never know better. I can't even get ADSL-2 here this place sucks. Roll on the National Broadband Initiative Scheme!! I wants faster internets now!
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-21 22:51:12 UTC Post #308223
I would kill everyone in the Onliners list for 1Gb.
Captain Terror Captain Terrorwhen a man loves a woman
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 06:57:17 UTC Post #308244
Go work in an ISP :) My cousin once did even got a server for torrent seeding :D
rufee rufeeSledge fanboy
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 07:23:53 UTC Post #308246
L1 cache is a memory chip just like an SSD.
And you store DATA in memory in BINARY code not "files" lol.
Oh come on man, don't change the subject. I know you store data in the L1 cache, but I'm talking about practicability here. You're never going to use the maximum potential of a 1 Gb/s line to download something, your hdd wouldn't handle it! ( SSDs, maybe).
[Edit]
All caps is just to bring your attention to it not yelling (me no angy).
Don't worry :P.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 09:04:37 UTC Post #308249
That speed they have is not for them, its for the network, and yes, you WILL always use the maximum speed because your RAM memory operates at much bigger speeds than your HDD. It all happens in your RAM not your HDD.

It first happens in the ram than goes to the HDD. Plus you have SCSI and SAS drives that go well over 1Gb/s write speed.
Think about it, how the hell does the sever supply you with 1Gb/s if there is NO hard drive that can handle it?

The L1 cache was an example of a memory chip invented a long time ago that operates at insane speeds. SSDs are the new and cheap fast storage standard today. Check out prices for quality SAS hardware.

And there are also chips designed for the military that have huge write speeds, over 50Gb/s.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 09:48:22 UTC Post #308250
... I understand what you are saying, yet you seem to totally ignore what I'm trying to point to. How can you write files to your HDD with a speed greater than it is capable of? I understand other components can and will operate at those speeds, but an HDD won't! That's the whole point.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 09:59:59 UTC Post #308251
It will load into memory and than onto the hard drive.
And as i said there are hard drives that operate above 1Gb/s.

Sas and Scsi.

It will load into memory and it will operate from there sending/receiving.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 11:58:35 UTC Post #308252
There is whats called a cache and a queue, every hard drive has a flash chip for storing stuff that arrives from sata. And until the head is ready to write, information stays in that cache. There is also a queue, so the more files or stuff you got going in, the longer it is, so the slower everything works.
Would putting 2 ssd's in RAID 0 be cheaper then a SAS drive ? (rufee's not sure how much sas'es go for)
We are so going off topic here anyway, why do you think core routers cost millions of dollars?
rufee rufeeSledge fanboy
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 13:23:59 UTC Post #308253
Yes, Rufee is right, hard drives, as well as CD/DVD/BR ROMs have cache chips. Newer hybrid hard drives are an HDD SSD combo, the data is on the HDD but it also has a good big SSD speed cache.

RAID can be bad, if one drive dies all your data dies. And SAS drives in servers are also in RAID. Multiple drives, even up to 20 can be in RAID.

One good 15kRPM 1Gb/s 174GB SAS can cost up to 1000$, plus you need the controller.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 16:40:51 UTC Post #308257
Fine, there are methods of using such a line speed. But is it realistic? Are you going to continously;download things to your pc? Wht about the cost of these RAID solutions?
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 17:19:36 UTC Post #308258
I got a net of 1 bit per hour that disappears like 1337 times a day and I still watch 20GB Blushit-Rays. Learn the art of efficiency. Learn the way to die.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 17:22:07 UTC Post #308259
Just tested the 3G connection on m phone. Got 1.1 Mbps.
Striker StrikerI seriously doubt myself
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:16:15 UTC Post #308261
Fine, there are methods of using such a line speed. But is it realistic? Are you going to continously;download things to your pc? Wht about the cost of these RAID solutions?
Yes it is, and you, a normal user, have absolutely no need for this kinds of speeds, nor can you afford it.
This is a requirement for places where big speed is needed for data transfer.

And think a bit about the future, just a keyboard and mouse and a screen, the rest is on a server miles away all connected with a 5Gb/s internet connection!

I guess you were just trying to show me how non ethical it is for home usage.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:25:57 UTC Post #308262
Ah, that future bit, that makes too much sense. I wasn't even thinking about remote applications.

Man, no more building rigs! No more red and blue light streaming from your case and filling your room! No more butting antlers over hardware!

I has a sad.

Although surely we will also still have external HDD's to store our personal files on like music or home videos, right?
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:28:46 UTC Post #308263
Probably, just as an iMac is a computer in a motor, there will probably be a monitor with Holographic Versatile cards or some new technology (50GB on credit card size), and stuff like that.

Or, even better, holograms :P

The future holds lots of opportunities for us, but i like the old retro style my self. Screen, 2 devices on the side for data and everything else, a keyboard and a mouse. All designed to be cool.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:30:52 UTC Post #308264
And colored lights. Don't forget colored lights.

They make it faster.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:33:30 UTC Post #308265
Nah, those just make it ANGRY :D
I like blue lights. There needs to be a small screen on the side, like in those 80s movies, that prints out binary code for no reason, just to make it look cool. Or maybe some programming gibberish :D
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:41:13 UTC Post #308266
My 560 has phase indicator lights that drive me crazy and i dont know how to turn them off.

Well since were on raid topic. I think if you would go for ssd's even in raid 0 they probably will work for 5 years. Im thinking of getting a rig for file storage, 5 hdd's (prices are still shit) in raid 5 to store all my shows and maybe a server to stream them while im on my laptop somewhere with a reasonable connection.
rufee rufeeSledge fanboy
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 18:59:19 UTC Post #308270
if they bother you that much, a drop of black paint over the light and then another after the first dries should do the trick. repeat as necessary. I used a few little pieces of tape to dull the LED on my speakers because it was annoyingly bright. Now it is still visible but quite soft.
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 20:27:36 UTC Post #308282
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Other member's speeds make me want to cry.
Suparsonik SuparsonikWho writes reality?
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 21:07:04 UTC Post #308284
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That's mine, I live in London, I consider this speed enough for me, never have problems where videos take long to load or pages aren't opening.
Skals SkalsGame / Level Designer
Posted 7 years ago2012-07-22 22:08:41 UTC Post #308285
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Hard style baby :D
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[Edit]

4 Striker

One important thing you seem to have missed is that i was referring to 1Gb per second.
Thats one giga BIT per second.
1Byte = 8Bits
That means that 1Gb = 128MB/s
And modern cheap SATA HDDs have speeds up to 128MB/s

Which means normal home usage HDDs would have easily bared with 1Gb/s speeds.
Stojke StojkeOPL - 3
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