Multiple Triggers Cause Event
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Multiple Triggers Cause Event
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Posted 20 years ago2004-09-26 05:05:06 UTC •
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Someone asked in the forums how to cause an event by having two players stand on 2 different trigger_multiples. This exapmle shows how it can be done.
I used a scientist to simulate another player and left the "guts" of my setup in plain view to better demonstrate how it works (although it may be desirable to hide them from view in a real map).
I used a scientist to simulate another player and left the "guts" of my setup in plain view to better demonstrate how it works (although it may be desirable to hide them from view in a real map).
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From the look of that screenshot, you did something way more complex. Cool, but unnecessary.
The trigger_multiple will toggle the on/off state of the multisource each time it resets. That would allow ONE player to touch each trigger_multiple and activate the multisource... or allow the multisource to be activated by two players who activated the triggers at separate times.
I found the way used in my example map to be a somewhat simple workaround to this shortcomming of the multisource. Using the example I provided, two players need to be standing on separate trigger_multiples at the exact same time in order to trigger the event.
Get the idea?
I assure you that I am aware of the problems regarding targetting a multisource with a TRIGGER_MULTIPLE (yes... that would be a shortcomming). Your original post says nothing of using buttons (btw doors work too) to target the multisource. Actually, in your first post here, you mentioned using multimanagers to target the multisource... which is completely unnecesary.
If I did what you suggest in BOTH of your posts, I would use more entities than my example map uses (thus making your way more complex...)
My way: 2 trigger multiples, 2 func_doors, an env_lazer, and a func_button. Total: 6 entities.
Your way: 2 trigger_multiples, 2 func_buttons, 2 multimanagers and a multisource. Total: 7 entities
ACTUALLY, as anyone who follows the general mapping forums would know, SlayerA provided a solution which uses ONE less entity than I did with my example(not WAY less complex... but none the less, less complex)
Even though the multimanagers you suggested are entirely not needed for this to work, I wont tell you to "read up on them because you are clearly not familiar with them"... instead, I'll just thank you for trying to help fellow mappers solve their problems.
I've finally been able to do some testing myself and trigger_multiples targetting a multisource do work, although there is a little thing to keep in mind.
A multisource will trigger it's target once all entities that target this multisource are 'active'. For example, 3 buttons target a multisource. All 3 need to be activated before the multisource will trigger it's target. Should one of 3 buttons reset before all 3 are pushed, nothing will happen as the multisource requires all of them to be active at the same moment.
Trigger_multiples behave a bit different than buttons. A button goes to non-active once it resets. A trigger_multiple doesn't... you can only use it again after it is reset, but it's state, as recognized by the multisource, doesn't change when it resets. Instead, you have to trigger it again.
This may cause some confusion at first but it's really simple once you get how it works.
So, using trigger_multiples has some shortcomings indeed, from the side of the trigger_multiples, but this is easily avoided by triggering func_buttons with those trigger_multiples, effectively combining their possibilities. I made an example map for you, where you can either walk trough the trigger_multiples and so activate the buttons, or push the buttons yourself.
My way: 2 trigger_multiples, 2 func_buttons and 1 multisource. 5 entities total. Probably the same method as SlayerA provided.
http://www.websamba.com/captainp-home/custom/mt.zip
On top of what you mentioned, and as I mentioned before, entites other than buttons can be used to target the multisource... like doors, etc.
I'd say, using a multisource is better as it's specifically designed for these situations, but you could use this map to illustrate how a it works. Fun...
I agree... because if you do it with the multisource, you use one less entity.
Like i said, the guy came at ME, not the otehr way round, so what was I supposed to do?! I kicked him in the head (karate) and rammed the metal pole into his eye.
Last time he tried to sell ME a big issue
And on another note:
I'm 21, how old are you?
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is it because you're like, 15, or because you don't want to give out too much about yourself, you'd rather just sit on the sidelines and point the finger?
You truly are brainless.
oh, and i called you out point blank... not from any "sideline"
I have a solution:
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"Please come out here Mr. Toshok," and a hand on my arm pulling me onto the porch. Once I was out on the porch several agents started up the stairs. I said that my roommate was still asleep in bed. They asked his name, I said "Peter". They continued up the steps, yelling his name. "Peter, this is the FBI." "PETER" "PETER, are you awake? this is the FBI"
I didn't watch it happen but apparently Peter awoke, naked, to a doorway full of FBI agents with guns out, yelling at him to get up. He asked if he could get some clothes on. They said yes. He asked if they could turn on the light so he could see. So Peter got to get dressed under the watchful gaze of government employees. Must have been fun.
They took Peter to the back of the house, and took me back upstairs to the front of the house, and proceeded to start going through everything in my room and the office.
I was questioned by the FBI agent in charge and a Secret Service agent at length about the Hungry Programmers, people I used to live with, whether particular people had the capacity/knowledge to do what they were investigating, etc. During the questioning she says "Now we're going to take all your computers." She sees the look on my face and says "Yeah, this is going to be hard for you." I said "uh, when will I get them back?" She said it depends, that they'd try to have them all back as soon as possible, but it depends on if they find anything suspicious on them. If they found contraband (kiddie porn, talk of drugs, or stuff they were actually looking for), that particular computer would never be coming home.
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After a lot more sitting in silence in that room, interspersed with tidbits of conversation (an fbi agent asking me about the guitars, talking about the piano lessons in his youth, and how he was kicked in the chest by a horse.) I must say, the SS agents were a lot nicer than the FBI agents. One in particular was pretty cool - we joked a lot about just how absurd the whole thing was.. He asked how I was doing, I said I'd had better mornings, to which he responded "well you'll definitely have one unique experience more than most people." I definitely have to agree. I know of very few others that have been through something like this. The blonde FBI agent was nice (and annoying) enough to tell me repeatedly that the judge would go easier on me (and they could all go home earlier) if I would just tell them where the stuff was. If I had it, of course. But if I denied having it, they'd really throw the book at me when they found it.
After more waiting, the FBI agent in charge comes into the room and explains that they aren't actually pressing charges against me, so I'm not being detained. I can leave if I want, or walk around the house, etc. This is a relief. I go grab my shoes and socks (my feet were freezing by this time). After a few more minutes of listening to the bumbling idiots in the next room arguing over how to turn off my machines, I decide a walk might be nice. I say I'm leaving to go walk around, that I'll be back to look over the list of equipment they're seizing. I ask if they'll let me take my cell phone so they can call me if I need to be back, etc.. They said no. I wasn't to take any property off the premises. Luckily, I still had my car keys. I walked over to my car and drove off.
Drove around for a while, then decided I'd stop by Seth's house and tell him what was going on. Davel answered the door, bleary-eyed. I apologized for waking him up.. I said "I would have called, but the FBI wouldn't let me use my cell phone." He said "what???".. I handed him the search warrant. He said "ohhh, god, come in." and walked me up the stairs.
I broke the news to Seth and he looked as shocked as I felt when I opened the door at 6:30. Got on ICB and spread the word that the wolves were circling, and everyone pretty well freaked out.
I hung out with them for a while, then figured I'd better be getting back so I got back in the car and returned home. It was probably around 10am at this point. 3.5 hours into the raid. I got there as agents were walking laps up and down the outside steps, carrying full boxes of my possessions into their van. I was too late to go over the actual stuff they were confiscating. suck. I walked upstairs, and found the long haired blonde agent and the (admittedly very cute) asian evidence photographer still there, finishing up. Taking photos of the rooms in their condition post-raid, writing down which exposures corresponded to which room.
The blonde agent handed me the seizure receipt to look over and sign. It looked ok to me, but I really had no idea at the time that some items they'd taken weren't on the list.
We joked with the agents some before they left. Asked them for their business cards, which they declined to give us, saying they would likely be plastered all over the web. Wise women. We asked if we could get a picture of them or their badges, which they also denied us. Too bad. Peter walked them to the steps, and I walked into the office to assess the emptiness.
There were a few times in college when the computer labs would be closed during the day, due to a bomb threat or a gas leak or whatever. When this happened all the geeks would wander around outside, eyes squinting in the unaccustomed glare of the mid-day sun, looking like zombies. You could always spot a geek on such a day by the way they walked with a certain slowness in their step. Not a leisure slowness, a dead slowness.
Today was like that for me. I'd lost upwards of 9 machines, and lots of misc equipment besides. Machines that, according to most people familiar with this stuff, I may as well write off as gone regardless of whether or not they ever find anything on them. Thankfully there were many people around that were willing and able to find the humor in such a preposterous day. I've been running on laughter all day, unwilling to think about the fact that this all might end with me in court, or even in jail. I mean, I did nothing illegal, how can I end up in jail? Leila forced me to at least acknowledge the gravity of what was going on, but thankfully didn't force me to dwell on it. I'm hoping I can keep myself laughing about it all until I pass out. The drinking might start rather early tomorrow.
I don't think the word "surreal" ever described a day better for me.
lol who's hiding? i'm right here
"hurl allegations of insanity at people"
if the shoe fits...