Swine Flu threat and conspirations Created 15 years ago2009-11-04 14:44:43 UTC by Striker

The thread bump request is still broken and I would've posted this to the swine flu thread but anyway...

In the last posts of that thread, most of you calmed down and safely said swine flu is fail. I documented myself about this swine flu and it seems it looks like a population reduction plan. Malefic.
From what I heard, the Baxter company is responsible for this. Also, the vaccine contains mercury ( the most dangerous neurotoxin) and other toxic elements. It can produce severe secondary reactions, such as remaining disabled, cancer and others. In UK a lot of doctors refuse to take this vaccine because they're conscious of what could happen.
The situation in the places around me aren't good too. Ukraine has over 500,000 infected people, and in our country aprox. 20 new infected people appear every 24 hours.
Satchmo, it would be great to give us your opinion.
I don't really know what should I do. I think I'm going to intentionally miss the day they would come to our school with the vaccines.
Until then I'm going to fortify my immune system and make my body more resistant. It sounds ridiculous, but in our times what's happening to the world now is also ridiculous.

I'm no doctor, but my father is, and I was talking to him about the vaccine a few days ago. He said the reason that a lot of doctors are refusing to administer the vaccine is because the A(H1N1) virus was completely unexpected, and the vaccine was prepared as an emergency response. Consequently, there hasn't been time to test it fully, so there is a chance that some people may exhibit allergic reactions to it. If this happens, the doctor who administers the vaccine may be held accountable and can be sued.

This is because of the unexpected nature of the virus, and not because of a 'population reduction plan', so I wouldn't worry about that. I don't think the govornment is that crazy.

From what I heard, the Baxter company is responsible for this.

GTFO.

Unless you meant Baxter Stockman, I don't really care.

Media/internet fearmongering claims another victim it appears. It is very very very unlikely that you'll die from the flu or the vaccine. (assuming you're not severely chronically ill, ofcourse)

And about the mercury, one dosage of the vaccine contains ~35 micrograms - which is about how much you'd get into your system by eating a few portions of Swedish lake fish.

I'm a bit curious what you based your population reduction plan theory on, however...

Well, in addition to mercury it has squaline in it, which has been linked to gulf war syndrome. It's basically an oil they use as an adjuvant in the vaccine. It's not harmful if ingested orally, but when it is injected the immune system sometimes attack it, along with the squaline that exists naturally in the brain. If your immune system reacts to the squaline in the flu shot, you're screwed.

Also, mercury is banned in sweden, yet the vaccine is legal. Why? $$$ <--

EDIT: They'd have to shoot me before they can get me to take the vaccine

You're talking about this almost as if it were the plague or something. One can recover from the flu fine and dandy as long as that person is hospitalized, given the right treatment and quarantined properly. The key here is to actually go see a doctor if your little cold turns out to have flu-like symptoms, which I believe most thinking people would do in the first place - pandemic or not.

Also, that vaccine sounds more dangerous than the disease.

Well, in addition to mercury it has squaline in it, which has been linked to gulf war syndrome. It's basically an oil they use as an adjuvant in the vaccine. It's not harmful if ingested orally, but when it is injected the immune system sometimes attack it, along with the squaline that exists naturally in the brain. If your immune system reacts to the squaline in the flu shot, you're screwed.

Source?

Post-licensure surveillance for vaccine safety is among the most extensive in medicine. Squalene-containing vaccines are no exception. As of 2009, over 40 million people have been given squalene containing influenza vaccines in Europe. The incidence of serious adverse events so far reported, 1.4/100,000 doses administered, is at the baseline of the general population with no exposure to the vaccine.

As far as long-term follow-up, squalene has been studied as part of influenza vaccines in over 30 phase 1-4 trials, 13 of which had 4-6 month follow-up, and included over 14,000 people, and the current influenza vaccines in development are subject to clinical trials with a 6-12 month follow up schedule.

• http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=851

All the studies are avalible as well.

The WHO also doesn't agree. Over 22 million doses of squalene-containing flu vaccine have been administered. The absence of significant vaccine-related adverse events following this number of doses suggests that squalene in vaccines has no significant risk. This vaccine has been given primarily to older age groups.

Also, mercury is banned in sweden, yet the vaccine is legal. Why? $$$

It's banned because it's harmful for the environment, not because it's a death poison (tm).

Now, I'm not saying that you should take the vaccine. If you don't want to then - of course - you shouldn't. I just don't like potentially harmful conspiracy theories.

THE WHO is a BAND. They're musicians, not doctors.

and it seems it looks like a population reduction plan.

And Obama is the leader of a secret organization called Majestic 12, bent on taking over the world. They manufactured the H1N1 virus using a device known as a "universal constructor" They are now manufacturing the "vaccine" and will use it to influence governments, and bring the world to its knees.

Bow down to your new overlords.

I don't think people in power have enough brains to run countries half the time, let alone make up a long-winded plans to control the population.

ATDestroy has been playing too much Deus Ex

Because I work in the health industry in Australia, we have access to information released directly to Nursing Homes and other health care industries. An Official letter from the Australian health orginaisation declared this:

Side effects from the vaccine can include, but not limited to:

* mild soreness, redness, and swelling where the shot was given
* fever
* runny nose, nasal congestion or cough
* headache and muscle aches
* wheezing
* abdominal pain or occasional vomiting or diarrhea
* sore throat
* chills, tiredness/weakness

More sever cases can include:

* paralysis
* life-threatening allergic reaction

It is also believed to be a cause of a very rare condition called Dystonia (1 or 2 cases per 1,000,000 vaccinations). Which causes very severe neurological movement disorders, involving painful, twisting, uncontrollable muscle spasms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystonia

Ok, now the side effects of the H1N1 virus (Swine Flue) are:

* fever
* runny nose, nasal congestion or cough
* headache and muscle aches
* wheezing
* abdominal pain and/or vomiting or diarrhea
* sore throat
* chills, tiredness/weakness

It may cause severe complications with people who are:

* Aged
* Suffer health promblems, ie, asthma, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, or a weakened immune system

May I point out That these are the same risks/symptoms that EVERY influenza virus distinguish.

I do not see any reason what-so-ever to possibly risk being disabled for life over just being sick for a few weeks.

ATDestroy has been playing too much Deus Ex

^_^

And I wouldn't get an H1N1 vaccine, simply because its an emergency vaccine, hasn't been tested, and however small amounts they may be, does contain harmful chemicals. Besides, H1N1 is no different than the regular flu, just tough it out people. >__>

Ironically enough, I'm currently sick with the regular flu, and my mom made me get a regular flu vaccine yesterday. :rly:

Besides, H1N1 is no different than the regular flu, just tough it out people.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL EVERYONE! (not just here)

I have stood by the first ever claims that stated it quite simply:

"It's a new varient of Influenza A"

I do not see any reason what-so-ever to possibly risk being disabled for life over just being sick for a few weeks.

You must be absolutely terrified of cars then. If a 1 in a million chance scares you, life must be horrific for you.

Besides, the vaccine isn't aimed at healthy people. Those who are vulnerable, like the young and old, are getting it. After that, anyone who wants it can get one. I don't plan on getting the vaccine either. I fell ill with the swine flu whilst I was visiting my relatives in Britain during the summer, so I reckon I should be good.

I always enjoy how people prefer to take the opinions of the uninformed and uneducated to those who actually know about the field. But hey, each man to his own I guess...

Actually, as a health care worker in Australia, we were also given priority vaccinations as well as the other groups (Elderly, Pregnant women, ect), so I could have gotten mine within a week of being released and not pay a cent.

You must be absolutely terrified of cars then.

You have to remember we are talking about a drug that you give consent to taking, not a motor vehicle accident that we have little or no control over.

Actually, as a health care worker in Australia, we were also given priority vaccinations as well as the other groups (Elderly, Pregnant women, ect), so I could have gotten mine within a week of being released and not pay a cent.

I got my H1N1 vaccine yesturday.

You have to remember we are talking about a drug that you give consent to taking, not a motor vehicle accident that we have little or no control over.

Things are getting worse in my country. From aprox 20 new infected\day ( that's aprox 0.8 infected\hour) , there are now 5 new infected people every hour. This is concerning.

You must be absolutely terrified of cars then. If a 1 in a million chance scares you, life must be horrific for you.

You have to remember we are talking about a drug that you give consent to taking, not a motor vehicle accident that we have little or no control over.

My brother has the flu and went to the doctor and the stupid doctor asked my brother what swine flu symtoms were.

What was with the gay little combo going on there? Seriously, you all suck.

What was with the gay little combo going on there? Seriously, you all suck.

Ok...this is just getting weird...

Still, this is TWHL headsplosion

Stop it, combos are lame!

Still, this is TWHL headsplosion

This is a gay little combo!
This is madness!

THIS! IS! TWHL!

(Couldn't resist, sorry. )

Guys, I already had the swine flu and I'm fine. It lasted about a week, although the cough I developed in the later stages is still with me. It's quite annoying how prolonged it is.

If they're trying to reduce population, they sure are doing a shitty job of it. Actually, if my plan was to reduce the world's population, I'd fire whoever's ass was responsible for coming up with this ridiculous master plan.

Seriously, I'd like to see some statistics of how much of the world's population has been reduced after this is all over. If they wanted to kill people that bad, they could just randomly take down some stop signs or mess with some traffic lights or something.

Or just pumped poison into the water supply. Heck, there are plenty of ways you can cover that up.

The government isn't out to kill you at every step. People throw this "They're trying to reduce the world population!" theory with every new disease that comes out. I remember when SARS appeared, people were screaming the same thing.

Yeah, they make mistakes. So does medical science. Nothing is perfect, and if you expect perfection, you need a reality check.

You have to remember we are talking about a drug that you give consent to taking, not a motor vehicle accident that we have little or no control over.

Point taken. But what about all the other things you do yourself, or consent to? There's far greater risks involved in your own home then with a vaccine. Food poisoning is a good one.

But what about all the other things you do yourself, or consent to? There's far greater risks involved in your own home then with a vaccine. Food poisoning is a good one.

No offence, but I wouldn't consent to food poisoning, lol

While you are using bad examples, I do understand where you are coming from. And I will agree we take a great number of risks every day, but, I don't really believe that the consequenses of such daily actions would likely be so severe. And most of these things we have to do anyway.

The stupid thing about the vaccine, I believe, is that you are likely to get flu like symptoms from taking the vaccine, as well as the other possible risks. If you don't, then you get a flu. Full stop. It's just a flu with a fancy name. Nobody is at a higher risk of dying of Swine Flu than they are of dying of regular flu.

No offence, but I wouldn't consent to food poisoning, lol

You wouldn't consent to getting some serious side-effects from a vaccine either. Perhaps I worded it incorrectly. What I mean to say is that theres a greater risk of death or disability from things you do in the house to taking a vaccine.

The stupid thing about the vaccine, I believe, is that you are likely to get flu like symptoms from taking the vaccine, as well as the other possible risks.

Erm...Of course? Thats the whole point of them. To induce a weaker version of the illness in you that your body can safely combat, so giving your immunity system knowledge on that particular pathogen.

Nobody is at a higher risk of dying of Swine Flu than they are of dying of regular flu.

I'm starting to think you don't know what actually is used to make a vaccine. Vaccines are made by taking some of the pathogen in question in a dead or weakened form, and injecting them into your body. The pathogen itself it so limited in numbers and weak its destroyed easily, but your immunity system gains knowledge of the invader so it can repel them with ease next time. The chances of you dieing from the vaccine are far less then that of dieing from the real thing.

You know what they say, you gotta break a few Eggs to make an Omelet.

The stupid thing about the vaccine, I believe, is that you are likely to get flu like symptoms from taking the vaccine, as well as the other possible risks. If you don't, then you get a flu.

Well, not really. Flu will typically have you running a high fever and be tired for weeks.

And flu vaccines cause mild but common reactions. About one in three people get a sore arm from the shot, some with a little redness or even swelling. Some 10% to 15% of people feel tired or get a headache; some may even run a low fever.

- http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

Everything that you do generally involvs risk vs benefits. Every vaccinations has risks, but the benefits are considered to be far greater, which is why they are being recommended. The international medical community wouldn't recommend a vaccine they didn't think would benefit people.

The government isn't out to kill you at every step.

+9999

I also find this rather interesting;

The risk of getting Guillain-Barr? from a flu vaccine is almost certainly less than 1 in a million; the risk of getting it from flu itself is more than 40 in a million. Swine flu is estimated to have killed 800 people in the US already, or more than 2 in every million so far. And during the first wave of swine flu this summer, 1 out of every 20,000 children aged 4 or under in the US ended up in hospital.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18014-is-the-swine-flu-vaccine-safe.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

He's right.

It's already too late.

We are mindless drones controlled by the government and the Majestic 12.

Sucks to be you!
drives off laughing/coughing back into Canada, the last free state in the world

I give Canada no more than 30 years before the USA annexes them...it will happen one day I swear!!!

I give Canada no more than 30 years before the USA annexes them...it will happen one day I swear!!!

Who knows, maybe in 30 years America annexes the world.

If the US Annexes us, the UK will be all over them. If the US nukes the UK, Europe will be all over them if the US nukes Europe, then there will be a nuclear winter all over the world.

If the US Annexes us, the UK will be all over them. If the US nukes the UK, Europe will be all over them if the US nukes Europe, then there will be a nuclear winter all over the world.

Only in a swine flu thread.

I give Canada no more than 30 years before the USA annexes them...it will happen one day I swear!!!

Actually, it will happen in 2076, when America is defending its Alaskan oil pipe from the invading Chinese commies!

Who knows, maybe in 30 years America annexes the world

Yeah, and my shit will fly.

Now my plan for an underground fortress in southern Argentina starts making sense.

Don't you know that "V for Vendetta" is actually a documentary?

America no longer exists, and Great Britain is under fascist rule.

DiscoStu: You made it sound like his shit flying made your underground fortress in southern Argentina make sense.

Australia will rule the world.

Well yeah, that too. I forgot to quote JeffMOD.

Do whatever you want from Australia. I'll just move to a forgotten corner of the world so I'm not bothered by wars or radioactivity.

You can run from wars, you can run from radiation, but you can't run from flying shit. It. Will. Find. You.

You're telling me.

Conspiracy theorists are so tiring and they never hold water. Any sane doctor would gladly recommend (and take) the flu vaccine. ChickenFist's done a good job of being the voice of reason in this thread.