My theory Created 19 years ago2005-04-09 11:53:37 UTC by BrattyLord

Obviously there has been many religious and political discussions reappearing here at TWHL. I intended to post a while ago on these, but my post was deleted, so here it goes.

Out of all that was said, I was most struck by something that unbreakable said:

but, does god really exist? And if so, why won't he perform yet another miracle, and end the Iraqi War, that a Peace Treaty was supposedly signed for.. but still continues. Where is god now!? In this time of need!

Well, many people (Christian or not) have asked questions such as these. People always wonder the question ?If God is all powerful, why does evil exist??, or ?Why does God let all this happen??

I have a theory that answers this very question:

Throughout the world, many of you probably have noticed patterns. The world seems to be based on laws that we have not yet to discover. Throughout everything that you have seen here, there is a simple balance that holds the world together. This can be witnessed in Math, Chemistry, Physics, and many more.

I?m not very good at explaining this, so please bear with me

Math:

Numbers are obviously a part of this world. Together, the world is made up of unthinkable amounts of numbers that all feed to an equation known as ?God?s Equation?. There is a simpler equation that we can understand, in fact, probably the simplest equation that has been under our noses since we could first count.

X + -X = 0

You way wonder why this equations shows any relevance to what I am saying here, or why this has any importance.

0 has been called nothing, although I believe it is much more. 0 is not positive nor negative, so it obviously stands as a neutral.

I believe that this world is a neutral, and that it takes both sides to function. I think that this is the way earth is.

Heaven is the positive, and Hell is the negative, so it only makes sense that here on earth, everything is neutral.

Another example:
Chemistry:

From a Chemist?s perspective, the world is made up of tiny little things called protons, electrons, and neutrons.

For there to be an atom, there needs to be a proton and an electron. The proton in this case stands as a + and the electron as a - .

Physics:

Pretty much common sense,

(Joke: But too bad common sense isn?t)

?What goes up, must come down?

?For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction? ? ??

Throught every aspect of life, this very simple equation is repeated. I believe that this is how the world functions, like a giant scale with 2 sides, 1 for + and 1 for ? , and that Heaven is a +, and Hell is a - , so you can see how God makes this world work. I guess with both sides, the world is complete, and that is the way God made it.

Sorry, but I?m bad at explaining my own theory, even when I have time to think about it

I hope that I didn?t offend anyone.

This is exactly how i feel about this.

There needs to be a balance. Without the balance, there would be no world as we know it.

It all evens out.

Well said, though, brattylord.

word @ bratty

You seem to be saying that everything behaves exactly the same, though. I can see your argument, and it's a very old one, but I can't see it myself. An electron isn't the opposite of a proton, by the way; a positron is (antimatter).

As for zero in mathematics, it's not just neutral, it is also a placeholder in the form of mathematics that we use today, the name of which temporarily escapes me.

Maybe I just want everyone to be nice to each other without having to be terrorised into it, or maybe people just like the idea of balance. I don't know. One thing, anyone religious, could you explain to me, reasonably, why you are right and all the other religions are wrong?

You need a proton when you have an electron because opposites attract with electricity. That may fall into your "God's Theory" but I believe it is just simple physics.

"What goes up must come down"

Hmmm I wonder if that is because of gravity...

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Don't think of that literally. When you push on a wall, it doesn't push back that just means that you need to exert x amount of force before the wall's own power isn't sufficiant enough to hold it up. If that didn't exist, you could just, well, fly at infinite speed anywhere you want in the universe and push anyone and anything in your path down, but that also means that everything else has the power to move at infinite speed and blow you to smithereens with no force at all.

Don't take this for being to harsh. I understand your point, and it is a good theory, it's just not a very realistic one.

I'm not really religious (might be a bit), but I think it's just different interpretations of the same idea...notice how many religions are similar eg: Judaism and Islam both have only one God, but he/she/it is treated in different ways and worshipped differently. I don't think it's that other religions are wrong, I think it's just how people interpret them.

One thing, anyone religious, could you explain to me, reasonably, why you are right and all the other religions are wrong?

its like a million christians cried out and were suddenly silenced...

Oh my this is all too serious for me. It's late so I will absorb this tommorow.

Nice theory though!

VOX, no, it is quite literally pushing you back. Think of it this way: if it didn't push back, you'd fall straight through it, wouldn't you? I know it's a strange concept, I had problems with it myself.

How ironic: we all start discussing religion in Mephs's thread, and then when we have a more appropriate one, we argue about physics :).

why you are right and all the other religions are wrong?

Aye.
Humans have always needed something to believe in, so someone created religion so they could hope that something better came after this life, simply because they were afraid of death.

It's all bullshit.

And BLs theory: So there can never be tranquility in the world? Seems like "God" fucked up while making the world.

So there can never be tranquility in the world?

I believe Ecclesiastes puts it better than me:

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: (3:2) A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; (3:3) A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; (3:4) A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; (3:5) A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; (3:6) A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; (3:7) A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; (3:8) A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

Religion is crap.

In one religion (lets say Christiananity) you kill someone youll go to "hell". But before you die, you switch religions (i dont know whats a good one) and what you did will sned you to "heaven".

Its all made up to make people believe in something so theres a reason for everything and they wont go insane.

You are not making much sense Mister Chow...

you kill someone youll go to "hell".

nooo.... who told you that?

But before you die, you switch religions (i dont know whats a good one) and what you did will sned you to "heaven".

What?

Chow, think before you post... What you said makes no sense and little relevance to this matter...

Oh sorry.

Okay, you commit a sin the go to hell.

Better?

Just forget it...

Chow, it says no-where in the Bible that if you kill someone you will go to Hell. Yes, in the ten commandments it does say not to kill, but those commandments are just a code to live by to create a society on this earth, and they were very relevant to this time, but I do not believe so any more. Now, there are only 2 commandments I really believe in:

Love God
Love your neighbor

This is what Jesus taught.

(Plus notice what I just quoted out of the Bible: "A time to kill, and a time to heal" )

ok, its like this...I am christian, but I dont really beleive in religion, I feel religion is man made.....I beleive you do what you heart tells you and all is well.....read the bible, and do what it says...life is good...i dont ebelive the bibe has been changed by man....why would god in all his infinite power allow his word to be changed by man? he wouldnt.......

Um, the notion of a physical "hell" was deserted long ago by the Church.

IEMC you agreed with BL and then said religion is crap...umm...

Religion was made by humans because they didn't like they idea of when you die, it's like being asleep without having a dream. It was made so people could control other people, so humans would fear being damned or some other punishment, and because they want life after death.

If other animals don't even know what a religion is how come they don't worship or go to heaven or hell?

If there is other life on other planets somewhere in the universe, what makes you think they have religion(s)? And if a sentient being created everything, why did he create things that don't worship him?

Nobody has even tried to answered me.

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HE knows....

...Furthermore, Crowleys occult mathematics were riddled with holes. The only reason I semi-flamed there was because I use the 'god is at the very least a mathematical necessity' arguement a lot too. Nice that the Great Beast is giving back to the Christians.

Yes, said by someone before him, but popularised and expanded by him, so thats the Master Therions arguement there, God-boy

K i'll toss my side into the er current of this thread. I believe in god but don't have a strict religion. (personally i think your wasting time sweating in a church on a sunday,thats imo tho) Anyway. I've thought and talked about this specific topic many times, the most likely answer that i can think of that could prove that religions are true would be that god is dead. Yeh if he's up there now he can kick my ass(Go ahead you old bugga :P)...but he isn't kicking anyones ass as far as i can see. The most outrageous example/proof of my point is WW1 and 2. So...yeh. this is all in my own opinion and no offense to anyones religion intended discuss as you so please. For the moment i'm just gona play computer games to my hearts content all sunday.

Sounds like a good idea doodle

I'm just gonna say that I don't believe in god. An afterlife, perhaps. But not in anyway connected to any religion.

I also agree with BrattyLord, but, again, take exception to the topic being 'My Theory' when it most certainly isn't.

Saribous, from brattys arguements perspective we are god. Everything is god, the idea of a personal god (who sits on a big cloud etc) cannot affect us if he is outside it. The idiot arguement people like to make at this point is, "of course he can, god can do anything". To those I suggest read again. To affect what is, you must be part of it as well. Jesus made the point that we're all part of god too, but something only the east and those who actually think about metaphysics actually grasp.

The interesting thing about this point is that satan is a part of god also.

No religious people have yet to answer Sevenths statement.
Why are you right and all the other religions are wrong?

man ZL you avatar is freakin me out.

I think religion is stupid. think about this. supposedly when "God" created man, back in the cave ages, they didn't even know what a god was. That just doesn't make any sense. christianity didn't even exist! some guy wrote a book about a dream he had of the way things should be, lost it somewhere, died, and eventually his book was found by a person(s) who don't think and BAM there is chrisianity.

here it goes... Big long post:

All the following opinions are from BrattyLord only and do not reflect the opinions of the Church. All opposing opinions are encouraged.

Religion was made by humans because they didn't like they idea of when you die

This is not true. When you say "Religion", I will assume that means "Christianity", because you cannot lump all religions together. They are all so different.

Judaism is basically the belief in Yaweh (God). Therefore, this religion is obviously the earliest and oldest of religions. They do not believe in an afterlife. It was not until Jesus Christ came that an afterlife was possible. Before that, people followed God, regardless of what happened after they died. In fact, the basic belief of death that Judaism shows today is that you cease to exist. Jesus Christ came and died for us. He loved us so much that he went through all that torture and death in order to save us. He did all that he did for us. God loves us so much that he gave his only son to us, a sinful people, so that we could be saved from our sins.

It was made so people could control other people, so humans would fear being damned or some other punishment, and because they want life after death.

I agree that there are some people who use religion that way, but it is not really that way. You cannot stereotype a majority of the world based on a few "bad apples". Thats like saying that "Germans all want to take over the world" because of Hitler. There was much more to Germany before Hitler, and there is much more to come after. I will say this again:

Do not stereotype

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What?

personally i think your wasting time sweating in a church on a sunday,thats imo tho

There is something you need to understand.

Its not about you

That thought scares many people away from God. Because they do not want to believe that its not about them.

Worship is to give thanks to God, for all that he has given us. To thank him for giving us his only son. It has nothing to do with "Well, I don't get anything out of worship".

god is dead.

What are you, nuts?

explain why you think that. I've never heard anyone say anything that odd before.

proof of my point is WW1 and 2.

Explain why you think that. I'm curious.

'My Theory' when it most certainly isn't.

Is there someone else who thought this way? Please tell me if so, because I came up with all of this myself.

from brattys arguements perspective we are god.

I didn't say that, but I do agree that God is everywhere. I think that God is +. God created the angels, but many rebelled against God because they didn't like the idea of something being more powerful that them. They, obviously, were -. Their leader, a great angle, Satan, left heavan with his other "fallen angles" and created Hell. They pretty much try and torture our world for... pleasure. Pretty much, God created +, which turned into -, and together we have our most neutral world today.

There is a holy war that we know nothing about going on. What I said is probably not true in the least, but that is what I believe is going on. God is not on the + side. God pretty much watches over the war, because he loves both sides so much. Why else would he give us, sinful people, his only son so that we could be relieved of our sins?

Why are you right and all the other religions are wrong?

Because it is what I believe. If you believe in something, you obviously don't believe in things that counter that belief. Many people try and say
"Well, all religions are right".

This is because todays liberal society pressures them. They don't actually believe that all religions are right, they just "Go with the flow", because they fear being downcast in society. That is like something a politician would say. "Everyone is right". This is also why I like Bush so much. He has firm believe and he sticks by them. He does not go with the popular opinion. He probably didn't think he would get re-elected when he decided to free the people of Iraq. Think of how the Media tries to destroy him. I know that you have all seen it. Why else would you hate him so much? You've never met him...

My answer to your question is simple:

Because that is what I believe.

For as long as I live, there is nothing that will tear me from God. My belief in Jesus Christ will never be taken from me.

forgive me if I offended anyone.

Obviously many people will be. Thats how a serious discusion plays out.

as most religious discussions will probably end, everyone can choose to believe what they want to believe, so go with what you want to do and forget about (in a religious manner) other people.

that was directed at evryone btw

So, basically, your logic is "Christianity is right because I want it to be". Gee. Well, I say atheism is right. What now? Do we have centuries of bloody war? That's what normally seems to happen in these circumstances.

I got an own religion... i belive in reincarnation and that their is somthing more... like a god... i also belive that you can remember somthings of your old life... for exampel i got shot in pearl harbor... and i died as a cop 34 years old the 23 october by 3 shots, one in my shoulder, one belov my hart and one in right below my lung...

Red, have you been at the diesel oil again? Or is that a serious post?

Because it is what I believe.

Yes, believe all you want, that doesn't make god exist. That doesn't make the paradise magically appear after you die. It's just psychological illusions.

God is dead

There never was one.

Worship is to give thanks to God, for all that he has given us.

I don't feel I have any reason to thank anyone for anyhtign.

What about your mother and father for giving you life?

I thank them all the time uhh I mean my parents

K god is dead because there have been no Major miracles for quiet a while. (from the jewish religion) have you seen any lakes or oceans part so you could walk accross recently? Jesus hasn't walked across any water recently. Look at the news...the world is chaos not peace, because god is dead :/. The proof is WW1 and 2 because he didn't stop them from happening and millions died. So god died after religion came about.

Great idea habboi!!!

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Doodle...

Did you not read the quote I took from Eclesiastes....

"a time of war, and a time of peace."

I'll post more and respond to all your posts, but right now I'm behind on some work.

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LOL!

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Its not your theory. At best its second hand...

"I've never seen this befo-" ok maybe you haven't read this specific text. But its an old theory and I ask that you don't pass it off as your own. Being a kid, I seriously doubt that you have went out into the desert and contemplated this etc. and come up with it yourself.

Its a good, solid theory, and one I hold. But I'm not a charlatan.

Continues to beat BL with various texts...

By the way, the Creation stories (Genesis) are not actually supposed to be read as what happened. I cannot quite remember what it was for, but it was actually made up.

I think Bill Hicks was correct in saying that matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration; (In other words, the matter that is visible to our eyesight is vibrating at a slower rate. Matter inwhich we cannot see vibrates at a higher rate - like a fan) we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively; (We are all one being of infinite potential, 'God' is in actual fact this eternal consciousness. We are basically observing, almost like a cinema projector, our own reality we are making. I personally believe that this was 'hijacked' a long time ago, but that's another story) there is no such thing as death; life is just a dream, and we are all the imagination of ourselves. (How can our consciousness be destroyed, since it is non-tangible, non-physical. Energy cannot be destroyed, only converted to anoither form of energy.)

Yadda yadda yadda. (I love putting that on at the end of posts...)

String theory, mate. Hick was right about it (albeit in a non-number crunching way)

Consciousness isn't energy, well in a way it is. Think of your consciousness as a computer. As long as there is electricty (blood, oxygen) the computer runs. When you lose consciousness, your brain just isn't analyzing it's surroundings (comp goes into sleep mode), but you have the potential to regain consciousness. (Pressing the mouse/sleep-button again)

Man, consciousness is hard to explain, it's like the product of all the little processes in your brain.

I hope that didn't sound too silly?

Yes, but when some people have come close to death they have reported still being fully conscious even though the brain was inactive.

Consciousness is an energy.

By the way, the Creation stories (Genesis) are not actually supposed to be read as what happened. I cannot quite remember what it was for, but it was actually made up.

Unless you're a priest or pope or some kind of religious official you can't say that antonio. You ARE right but too many people read it AS IT IS. Which is dangerous.

I'm sorry but if your brain is inactive, it's impossible for you to be conscious. An inactive brain is almost the same as having no brain. An inactive brain isn't telling your organs to work, so the person must be dead.

But as Jahzel mentioned, people have supposedly had memories of things that happened while their brain was inactive, stuff that was going on in the operation room... We dont know how much of this is made up, but it would be interesting to investigate a bit.

I could talk about psychology all day but I don't have the time. But I do have one question for everyone that disapproves of religious beliefs.
If you don't believe in something, why do you live (what are you living for). Have fun trying to answer that one;). (Trust me, it'll shock you).

Other people.

Better than living for dying.

People who live to die commit suicide.