HD-DVD Vs. Bluray Created 18 years ago2006-03-16 15:16:23 UTC by fourthgen

I hate to toss in yet another vs. thread but I feel like this one's actually relevant

As you may or may not know, DVD is being replaced (gradually) in the next two years. The really interesting thing is that there are two competing formats both which have their own benefits. The industry is torn apart and for once it really will be us who decides which format wins.

I'll just toss in some facts:

HD-DVD

• It's cheaper to produce than Bluray.
• Industry giants like Microsoft are backing it.... this means $$$
• It is the official replacement, by the DVD forum/group for DVD's.
• One single layer holds 15GB, there are plans for triple layer discs.
• It has native DVD backwards compatibility.

Bluray

• It holds 25GB on a single layer.
• It has many important companies on its board of directors.
• DVD's may have to be played back with another lens.
• They are much more scratch sensitive.
• The standard has not been er.. standardized yet.

I've tried to keep it free of bias but I suppourt HD-DVD and it may be showing through my facts. I'm pretty much committed to it since I have a 360 which is rumoured to be able to suppourt HD-DVD in the future.

Talk minions talk!

Bluray is going to be more expensive, but, would the extra features on it convince you to buy it and pay more over HD-DVD?

Well, if the bluray isn't much more expensive (talking 150-200% more), I'd go for it. 25 gig is impressive.

i agree. my friend is obsessed with blueray.. but knowing me and my cd's im going with HD-DVD. I dont think a blueray would last a week in my house.

Yeah, but I must say, a lot of early Bluray prototypes are in a kind of casing, much like the ones UMD's (PSP Game Format) are in.

As for the price, I think they'll be about 50% more expensive at the beginning. Remember that not even HD-DVD will be cheap at first.

Bluray! Much cooler name.

The term is 'caddy', by the way.

Oooh, technical

oh.. in that case

ill still find a way to break them.

Unless their caddys are like.. teh uber titanium procetive case.

BluRay.
I hope that this won't be VHS vs. Betamax all over again.. I mean, the crappier wins.

lol better invest in HD-DVD then:

checks stocks

The PS3 will/is rumoured to have Bluray.

will. not that anyone cares about sony
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Seconded.

I'd go for a blueray.

- They are much more scratch sensitive.

Let's hope they are not that sensitive.

oh and HD-DVD will be better.
15gb a layer and up to 3 layers? 45gb beats 25gb to me
and you can play dvd's in normal hd-dvd players but not in blu-ray players
what am i gunna do with my dvd collection?
im not having 2 dvd players kthx.
also how are you sposed to burn dvd's with a bluray burner?
also how will the ps3 play dvd's? (not that anyone cares etc. etc.)
nintendo's sticking to its normal dvd's, and home made dvd's are buggy enough anyway.
blu-ray in a casing reminds me of dvd-ram. whats that you say? what is dvd-ram? i rest my case. can you say dreamcast or n-gage? blu-ray is going down to its home - the orthanage, the youth hostel, hobotown, whatever. (ps3 has reserved a room)

Just got this one http://au.lge.com/md/product/prodcategorylist.do?actType=detail&currPage=1&categoryId=0200000201&parentCategoryId=0200000002&categoryLevel=3&productId=1100000792 its very good.

Here is some information on LG's BlueRay::The world?s first BlueRay recorder (model: BH6900), unveiled by LG Electronics, is equipped with a 160GB HDD. The model can record and play simultaneouly, thus enabling the time shift function. It can also record the HDD-recorded images in a BlueRay disk, or vice versa.

The product can search still screens or fast screens when playing HD images, and easily search and edit desired scenes through refined graphic screens. The model enables users to enjoy HD/SD digital broadcasts, and analogue broadcasts in high definition and high-quality sound.

15gb a layer and up to 3 layers? 45gb beats 25gb to me

25gigs on SINGLE layer.

The PS3 will/is rumoured to have Bluray.

All the PS3-games will be on BluRays.

I'll kill two birds in one stone and explain why Bluray has more capacity and is more scratch sensitive:

The wavelength used in Bluray is around 45nm~ compared to HD-DVD's 65nm~. Because the data is on a smaller place, scratches will cover up more of an area, datawise. That's the downside and upside to having a smaller wavelength.

Both formats are DRM-infested piles'o'shit.

Yus, and they are as strong as the CSS encryption put on DVD's.

I don't think DRM is a good judgement on a format. DRM can and will always be broken, plus, in a few years when all these companies come to their senses, the DRM's will be lifted.

I do realize DVD's have encryption too, but I'm sure they will try and tighten the DRM on the new formats a bit. They know that CSS can be cracked piss flakes, it wouldn't be that difficult for them to strenghthen it up a bit.

This is Sony and Microsoft we're talking about. I'll let you imagine the kinds of "encryption" they'll enforce. Okay, maybe it'll be more complex than CSS but it'll just be a deterant for the average Joe, so maybe you're worried you won't be able to get past it?. Ironicism Joe :P.

DRM is crap. Blu Ray and HD DVD will have something called HDCP which gives them total control over your PC when you play something off a disk.

And to make things worse your comp has to be HDCP compliant. That means:
-Your disk drive will have to be HDCP compliant
-Your motherboard will have to be HDCP compliant
-Your graphics card will have to be HDCP compliant
-Your operating system will have to be HDCP compliant
-Even your monitor will have to be HDCP compliant

So that means that youll have to get a whole new PC setup just to use it. Fuck HDCP.

25gigs on SINGLE layer.

yes, and blu-ray only has one layer, whereas HD-DVD can have up to 3.

[quote]And to make things worse your comp has to be HDCP compliant. That means:
-Your disk drive will have to be HDCP compliant
-Your motherboard will have to be HDCP compliant
-Your graphics card will have to be HDCP compliant
-Your operating system will have to be HDCP compliant

• Even your monitor will have to be HDCP compliant[/quote]

I'm sorry to say that most of what you said is BS, HDCP is a form of DRM acting only on digital video signals. Yes GPU's will have to suppourt it but there is no restriction on a GPU through HDCP. It's only needed because it's a lower level DRM (higher if you prefer). Your motherboard and disk drive will not need to be HDCP compliant. They aren't invloved with HDCP in any way. Furthermore, you're safe if you use VGA. DVI and HDMI are the two planned uses of HDCP.

Personally I'm fine with HDCP, the HD-DVD and Bluray forums have stepped out and said that they understand HDCP will lose a lot of customers and will only enforce it in the most important areas.

blu-ray only has one layer

Again, BS. Bluray is also planning to implement 3 layers.

DAMMIT! lol, thought i had it there for a sec, and its not BS, you just didnt tell us at the start about anything involving blu-rays and multi-layers, and im too lazy to research it, so its your fault.

but yes, j3r3my sounded like BS, because even old comps that were made before DVD came out, could play DVD video and data disks with a dvd-rom drive put in. so why any different for the new one?

also, anyone heard about holographic storage? aparrently, its just a disk the same size as a cd/dvd but can hold up to 3TB!!!
yes, 3 terabytes. thats 3x1024 gigabytes

fourthgen, no new cards actually HAVE VGA ports, you need an adapter, which will probably have to be HDCP compliant too

m0p, most new cards don't even suppourt HDCP so I don't think right now is the best time for this argument.

anyone heard about holographic storage?

Indeed, the rare thing about those is that the actual "disks" are very cheap. They cost around 50P for 300GB ones. However, the reader/drive costs upwards of ?2,000.

The supposed 3TB is not a reality yet but it's entirely possible. I think it may be the storage of the future but those drive prices really need to be pushed down.

I have to say one more thing about HDCP; it is entirely down to your computers OS on whether it is enforced or not. Currently Windows Vista, (that necessary evil that we will all be using) suppourts HDCP but it will not be made immediately compulsory. That doesn't mean that MS can't flick a switch one day and make it compulsory for all video.

EDIT: BTW, I didn't mean to use "BS" in an elitist way. I just use it for things I think of as false.

Which we will all be using

I'm not going to use it even if they make it a mandatory component in every household, kthx.

xfire just gave me a useful link for once:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/

Man, DRM is so futile and pointless. Anyone who knows anything about technology, isn't being paid to make the stuff, and has given it any thought at all, agrees.

The MPAA and other companies dont want you to think of HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) as anything bad. But it is bad. It essentially removes any rights you have as a consumer. The only right you have left is to not buy the product. Hollywood is making more money than ever before. And guess what? They still want more money.

HDCP is a product of corporate greed. I hope no one is actually going to buy into this technology, if you can even it call it that. I urge you all not to buy any products requiring HDCP. Consumer activism is a powerful tool, and if enough people boycott HDCP products, the movie industry will have to do something about it.

xfire just gave me a useful link for once:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_
nvidia_hdcp_support/

And you all didnt believe me...