Advanced Brushwork Mini-Compos

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:09:13 UTC Post #189155

I really don't like the preset scale/connectivity thing at all. What if you wanted to have different terrain heights

It's not a restriction, it just creates uniformity. You could make the terrain as high as you wanted to, but things like street widths, lightpost heights, standard door sizes would all be the same.

Ya know?

edit: Yay! EDIT BUTTON FTI!!

rowleybob

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:11:05 UTC Post #189156

I actually had some... Quite different ideas for my city. Something that would never be able to connect.

srry

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:17:59 UTC Post #189157

I don't see how basic scale could possibly affect your choice. I mean, you can still build whatever you want, but whatever.

Maybe pm captain P--as to not divulge your idea to everybody--, and he could modify the restrictions if necessary.

rowleybob

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:41:58 UTC Post #189159

Well, I'm absolutely fine with the scale restriction, as long as it's not too small. I just don't want to have to be able to connect them all at the end. otherwise, it's fine.

By the way, is there going to be any restriction that limits you to making a "normal" city?

srry

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:47:54 UTC Post #189160

Srry, that's the coolest thing about this compo, I think you just don't like restrictions of any type

Captain P hasn't posted the rules yet, but I'm envisioning everyone starting with a square of a certain size. within that square you can do WHATEVER you want.

"Squares", because then we can align them together to form a grid. Your parts don't have to line up perfectly with somebody elses... you can do whatever you want inside the square afaik.

limits you to making a "normal" city?

I don't see why Captain P would make that stipulation.

rowleybob

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:53:45 UTC Post #189163

Hey, I'll probably work fine with whatever the rules end up being.

And when I say "normal" I mean "of this world" or "of this time".

srry

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 15:56:16 UTC Post #189165

Shouldn't matter I would say, in fact, it would be cool to have a medival village next to a cybertronian futuretopia

rowleybob

Captain P

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 17:14:53 UTC Post #189183

Countdown page is on the way, which will also contain the rules and further explanation, as well as an example (not base!) map for the scales.

Currently, I've set the following rules:

1. The map must represent part of a city. Whether that be housing, offices, industry, military, other. You're free to pick the style/culture, it can be human or alien, as long as the purpose of the buildings is clearly visible.
2. The scale is set as 32 units per floor, which is approx. 2.5 meter per 32 units.
3. Custom content - textures, models, sounds, sprites - is allowed. In fact, even encouraged, because you work at a much smaller scale so creating some specific textures for buildings to cover them easily is probably a good choice. I'll provide an example map and .wad soon, and those that have problems creating custom stuff can always give me a yell - this might be a nice opportunity to broaden your skills.
4. The map must be playable under Half-Life. You're allowed to create it for other mods, but this will be of little use as all maps will be checked with plain Half-Life.

Maps will be judged a little on originality, mostly on the general impression and feeling of the map. Which means, detail ahead, but detail wisely - where it counts and really adds to the map.

Sounds good with everyone?
When shall we start and what deadline shall I set?

Captain P

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 17:22:31 UTC Post #189186

I for one say make the deadline monday dinner time GMT, a "weekend" mini compo of sorts.

If you guys think that's too short, I would say 1 week maximum for the time limit.

[/2centavos]

rowleybob

Captain P

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 17:32:46 UTC Post #189188

1 week sounds better yeah. Gives some room for content creation.
About size restrictions, perhaps an area of 1024 x 1024 or 2048 x 2048 max, to prevent people from taking on too much for the time set?

Captain P

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 17:34:02 UTC Post #189189

A week is a bit long, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't finish this in 2 days.

Edit: Err... A week it is, then!

srry

Captain P

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 18:56:09 UTC Post #189205

Ok people, countdown page is up:

BrushoPolis contest page

The deadline is set at friday 14 juli, midnight, universal time. The page includes the basic rules and an attachment containing an example map and some simple textures to get you started. I'm looking forward to see the results.

// If anything is unclear so far, just say it and I'll update the competition page.

Captain P

The Mad Carrot

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 19:02:38 UTC Post #189206

Ftw.

The Mad Carrot

Captain P

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 19:03:59 UTC Post #189208

Oh, bytheway, you can submit your maps by posting a download link in this thread, or PM'ing it to me if you don't want to put your map public before the deadline.

@Muzzle: you're in?

Captain P

The Mad Carrot

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 19:08:34 UTC Post #189211

@Muzzle: you're in?

Nope. Im afk this weekend, so no time to map. Also, this "minicomp" takes a little more time than i had in mind at the start of this thread.

Good luck to y'all.

I'll participate in the next minicompo.

The Mad Carrot

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 19:13:11 UTC Post #189212

Pwn! (Wewt for the countdown timer as well

)

I was hoping for a shorter term too, but Muzza, you can make the next compo a shorter one

MINI COMPOS, BITCH!

^_^

rowleybob

VOX

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-07 22:53:06 UTC Post #189233

grr stupid job! I would love to work on this compo, but working 10 hours a day is hindering it. IF I have time, expect an entry, but I don't know if I can.

VOX

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 08:56:38 UTC Post #189304

Can I or can I not use spirit? I want to make a 3D skybox! :

Elon Yariv

pepper

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 09:33:38 UTC Post #189305

Muzz, you need to apply a Unwrap modifier and a UVWmap to it before it will work, also multimaterials i believe.

pepper

n00b #2

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 10:21:28 UTC Post #189306

Mini-city compo FTW!

Hmm... looks like im putting off my WIP again

n00b #2

VOX

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 11:08:57 UTC Post #189308

No spirit! The map will be tested with normal half-life. It's just a mini compo about brushwork, don't turn it into something more than it is.

VOX

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 11:12:48 UTC Post #189309

I only want to make the small city into a 3D skybox then to make a 3D tactical map there you can bomb the city around you. Thats all!

Vox you idiot!

How many times do I have to tell you that spirit isn't a mod like CS. It's the same game. Only a few additional features, so stop being so much against it! It wont kill anybody if I'll include with my map a few extra files in a minimod format!

Edit:

I have an idea! We'll all post our maps then I'll make a huge 3D skybox. Then we'll both be happy. You can post your enteries in Hl1 and so will I, but in the end I'll combine some enteries.

Elon Yariv

VOX

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 11:25:55 UTC Post #189310

Calm yourself. If a game includes a seperate DLL from normal half-life that needs THAT dll to run it is separate from HALF-LIFE! Where does CS get it's differences from half-life? the code in the DLL! That's it.

what does the page mean when it says 32 units per floor? what's a floor? 32 units is nothing I hope he doesn't mean the whole city...

VOX

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 11:51:21 UTC Post #189311

Ok, I dropped the spirit bit... my map is way too un optimized for a 3D skybox.

Preper for defeat!

Elon Yariv

VOX

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 12:32:14 UTC Post #189313

yeah whatever about spirit

dumb fight huh? let's just try to make the best little happy city to the best of our ability

im still confused about that the scale/limits are...

VOX

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 12:57:30 UTC Post #189315

I don't think it will run in Hl1... nor Hl2.

Elon Yariv

Habboi

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 13:00:12 UTC Post #189316

Ha it would run 100 of those in HL2

HabboiSticky White Love Glue

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 13:01:02 UTC Post #189317

But it's not finished, silly!

Edit:

The hell with those rules! I quit!!

Elon Yariv

Kasperg

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 13:25:49 UTC Post #189323

@Vox: 32 units per floor means that the distance between floors and ceilings is 32, instead of the usual walls that are 128 units high. In other words, the map should be 4 times smaller than a real size version.

Kasperg

Captain P

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 16:30:25 UTC Post #189341

That's right Kasperg - also, the example map provided at the end of the page should give you a fair idea of the intended scale.

As for submitting the map, you need to provide both a playable .bsp and the source of the map (.rmf and textures/models/other necessary stuff). You don't need to put this source open for public if you don't want to, it's only for the combined map at the end. I'll update the rules page with this info.

Elon, that's the good stuff. Keep it coming! Anyone else with some results already?

EDIT: Page updated! You may need to refresh the page to see the new info.

Captain P

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 16:44:33 UTC Post #189343

I haven't even started yet!

srry

n00b #2

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 16:54:51 UTC Post #189345

Neither have I

you can make 3d skyboxes with spirit? -_-
I must learn the uses of Spirit

n00b #2

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 19:15:32 UTC Post #189361

The hell with those rules! I quit!!

I hope you reconsider, that looks pretty cool!!! (I love the parking stripes :P)

Starting mine tonight, and I think I know what I'm gonna do :/

rowleybob

n00b #2

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 20:00:04 UTC Post #189363

I'm gonna go take a nap and i'll wake up during the night and i'll either draw something up or just go in without any plan and n00b it up.

My first contest too so I'm glad this one is kind of easy

n00b #2

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-08 23:41:31 UTC Post #189369

I was planning on doing some kind of futuristic city that was built way up into the sky, above a layer of toxic-looking clouds, but kind ditched that when I heard that the intention of the buildings was supposed to be clear.

Now I'm just going for a "normal" city, as it seems everybody else is.

srry

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 00:11:18 UTC Post #189371

lol, I just read the rules again, and noticed there floor area size restriction... so much for putting them together :.(

rowleybob

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 00:15:13 UTC Post #189374

There's a floor areas size restriction? The rules page just says 32 units per floor, but nothing about overall size restriction, did it?

srry

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 00:34:59 UTC Post #189376

Captain P and rowleybob, I said that I quit becase this city is much smaller then what you expected! ~10units=2.5m

Elon Yariv

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 00:51:25 UTC Post #189377

srry: Yeah, sloppy spelling, sorry. There is NO floor space restriction.

Elon:Yeah, I just walked through the example, and I expected it to be much smaller.

Your way might be more fun/challenging, Elon

rowleybob

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 00:54:55 UTC Post #189379

Bahh, I'll make my own city! It will have 4 sections, each 512 units wide.

Elon Yariv

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 01:33:03 UTC Post #189381

Would it be okay if, instead of allowing the player to move through the map freely, I just used a camera sequence? I don't know if I'll actually end up doing this, I was just wondering, since it could be pretty cramped.

srry

Elon Yariv

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 01:38:47 UTC Post #189382

you can place a clip brush above the whole city and let him walk on it!

Elon Yariv

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 01:55:46 UTC Post #189383

True, very true. And if you wanted to see it closer, you'd be noclipping anyway.

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 03:52:24 UTC Post #189389

I'm not sure if there's any hope of me finishing on time. All I have done so far is this cruddy little area with blocky buildings used to test my textures out in.

http://www.photodump.com/direct/srry/lamnington0001.jpg

On top of that, I'm even starting to lose my inspiration already.

srry

pepper

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 04:33:02 UTC Post #189392

If you guys need a good example to look at how to build a small city then look at the half-Life : Rally map GT_LVC(Little Van City). Best map i've ever come across IMHO, always fun learning the new drivers this map.

pepper

srry

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 04:53:21 UTC Post #189394

Great, so I have to download another mod just to look at a single map?

Screenies, plz!

srry

Captain P

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-09 07:29:17 UTC Post #189397

srry, a camera showing off the city is fine. Screenie looks good bytheway.

As for inspiration, Google Image some city shots, or use a program like Google Earth or such. Highways, harbors, military bases, mountainside ski resorts, just a few things I can think of right now. A country-side village or such is fine, too.

And indeed, no size restriction to the area you map, you only need to take care of the scale.

Captain P

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-10 22:22:52 UTC Post #189589

1 building down, 23 to go

It's fun for once not having to worry about interiors whatsoever! This compo sort of feels like building a model town for a train set

rowleybob

Soup Miner

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-11 00:14:35 UTC Post #189630

It says that all enties should be playable. Now.......... define playable. Give me a r_speed cap or something because I'm considering entering in this and if I don't know where your idea of "playable" ends then I will surely go overboard

Soup Miner

rowleybob

Posted 18 years ago2006-07-11 00:18:35 UTC Post #189632

lol, that map from the "mother of god" thread had +8000 wpolys, but It was still "playable"

Captain P didn't say one thing about r_speeds, only that it must play in half-life... so game on, BITCH! ^_^

Yeah, I didn't think you'd be able to resist this compo

rowleybob

Advanced Brushwork Mini-Compos Created 18 years ago2006-07-06 16:53:13 UTC by rowleybob