VIDEO: Police Defend Shooting 92-Yr Old Created 17 years ago2006-11-23 09:01:06 UTC by Jahzel

http://edition.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2006/11/22/phillips.ga.92.year.old.suspect.killed.wsb"Yeah, but things have changed since 9/11"

Sweet mother of...Disgusting World we live in these days.

Can we stop with these threads please? There's no need to keep posting this. The amount of kind hearted acts done in this world far outweighs the amount of killing and negative acts. Why dont we hear about the nice, kind acts ? Because its boring news. Only the nasty, appauling news gets to the public. You wont hear of someone who donated money to children in africa, or the actual people who go there to help!

Please dont day its a discusting world. That aspect of life makes up only like 1 %.

Think about it. What percent of horrible things have you witnessed in life? Ive gone 19 years without seeing a killing, or anything of the sort.
I really hope I never do.

Im not saying to ignore these things, just not to become obsessed with them

Unfortunately, continually pointing out injustices aren't going to do much. The truth is they happen thousands of times a day, every day, and will never really stop. You just have to get used to the fact this is the way the world is, and be thankfull if you're not getting the worst of it.

Please dont day its a discusting world. That aspect of life makes up only like 1 %.

I don't think you could not be more off with that estimate, the world is a pretty messed up place, and certain people (with enough 'power') who should be doing more, aren't really helping at all. This isn't me trying to seem all depressive and spiteful about life, this is just harsh reality that should be faced, in my opinion. Knowledge of the facts shouldn't deter you from enjoying life, either, it's a good thing to be aware.

That aspect of life might make up only 5% of your life, and my life, but not everywhere in the world is as safe as my nice little suburb. The world can be a terrible place, but it is also a beutiful place. Leave it better than you found it, and your life wasn't pointless.

And dude, this was completly unnessisary. I don't know what you were trying to prove but come on.

You notice how she opened fire first and hit a few officers?

The poor woman was probably petrified seeing a whole load of armed police descend onto her private property knowing she was innocent and just wanted to be left alone.

I have no sympathy for those mindless thugs who shot and killed an old woman.

None.

Shame on them, they are sick.

Well, if she opened fire first then it was a justified kill.

anyone aware that is darfur people in villages are slaughtered and/or raped everyday? For what reasons? Their ethincity.

Stop being so petty about these little things and trun your mind to whats really going on. Genocide, thats whats going on.

Its not like they can fightback either. Heres the scene.

One village, where people are trying to live (in shabby circumstances i might add). A helicopter comes, rockets everything in sight, then a group of camel riders aka Jangaweed come and rape the surviving women, kill the surviving men, and then pillage and take whats left. And the governments not doing jack shit.

start thinking outside of this pathetic country.

www.savedarfur.org

then it was a justified kill.

You talk like the old woman was a dangerous serial killer! At that age, she was probably unaware that they were police - she must have thought they were intruders.

And btw, Hi pepper.

The way I saw it was they opened fire at someone they didn't see who was shooting at them. In this case, I side with the cops.

Hey Jaz, good ol days eh? .

Well, she should have identifyed here possible targets first and then take action. Studpidity hit her i geuss. And take my word for it, you would shoot too when someone opens fire at you.

like youve ever been in that situation

Well, she should have identifyed here possible targets first and then take action. Studpidity hit her i geuss. And take my word for it, you would shoot too when someone opens fire at you.

If I would have been in the situation I would have opened fire aswell.
I mean, she was 92 years old, could probably not see well and was probably scared as hell, would you go check who they where before opening fire? I wouldn't.

I would just leave and realise that I'm making a bad error raiding the house of gun-welding 92 year old!

a justified kill

???

THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING!

Stop posting such negative threads, it's very depressing.

Never bury your head in the sand. The bad stuff won't just go away.

then why doesn't anyone take notice of Darfur you fucking hypocrite?

Why doesn't anyone take notice of anything that happens in the 3rd world? It's simple. We, humans, relate more to cultures that are more similar to our own. That's my explanation for our sickly obsession with what goes on in the US. We just don't care what happens in parts of the world that aren't like ours. Don't ask me why, that's just how it is.

Good fukken point.

If I would have been in the situation I would have opened fire aswell.
I mean, she was 92 years old, could probably not see well and was probably scared as hell, would you go check who they where before opening fire? I wouldn't.

Therefore handing guns to civilians is a hughe mistake.

Arcan, STFU about Darfur, we know, and we care a lot Mkay? This topic is about shooting old bats, not some african province.

Well spoken.

1. its not an African "province"
2. I'm trying to say, who gives a shit about some old drug-dealing fool getting blasted for trying to shoot up some cops, in contrast to whats going on elsewhere this is chicken shit, and yet everyones like:

ZOMG, teh polic3 are so fUkkin terr1ble!!1!

Posting this sort of stuff shows how caught up about your own place you are.
ZL made a good point, and since you agree, how about starting to counter that image instead of strengthening it.

Darfur isn't some small corner. Its actually very big. 3/4 the size of Texas and only a bit smaller than France.

More police-violence eh?

U.S.A! U.S.A! Who's with me?!

The cops had EVERY RIGHT to shoot. They had no idea who was on the other side of that door. For all they knew it COULD have been a dangerous serial killer. So they did what any reasonable cop would do, they fired back. And it is not like the old lady's shots did no damage, she injured the cops! If you were one of the cops and you got shot from inside you would fire back. The fact that she is 92 has no relivance, because from the cops point of view they had no idea.

THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING!

Yes there is so such a thing. If someone shoots in injures three cops then there is a cause to shoot back. If someone killed like 50 people and cops then that would be a reasonable kill. (Not saying the old lady did that, just an example.)

Yes it is sad that a 92 year old came to her death, but it is her fault. Anyone that blames the cops is a retard. :

The cops had EVERY RIGHT to shoot. They had no idea who was on the other side of that door. For all they knew it COULD have been a dangerous serial killer.

So, shoot first, as questions later?

Hey, my neighbour MIGHT be a serial killer, best to kill him in case he is.

EDIT: Spelling

An excerpt from CBS news.

"Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and 'knocked and announced' before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon."

They didn't have any idea who the hell was in there, they didn't know that the woman probably didn't hear them. No one is to blame but the one who pointed the police in that direction.

Please dont say its a disgusting world. That aspect of life makes up only like 1%.

Well not sure... with all the greed in this world. I mean some people are really greedy, they desire much more then they need. If people would take only what they need what you say might have been right, for greed, lust and desire have no limits, there is always something better, or more things that you want.
The proof to this greed may be found in statistics: approximetly 5% of this world's population owns most of the resources and money in this world.

What you say is right if you look at it from a general prespective, and acording to that prespective to subject isn't that important, the fact that the human race continues to excist makes this world a good one.

Gunter, if you read the full article you would have seen that she was a friggin drug dealer. They found drugs in her home, now i don't know about you, but i've never heard of 92 year olds doings drugs. She must have been selling the shit, fucking up peoples lives with it.

In my oppinion, i think usa cops go a bit over the top. really, they aim guns at anyone they are aresting. bit gun-ho if you ask me.
"ARGH! they are selling drugs! lets shoot em!"
Or: "lets KILL them, even if we can attempt to arrest them, and we are wearing body armor, KILL them anyway."
Now aussie cops can control their weapons.

So, shoot first, as questions later?

Hey, my neighbour MIGHT be a serial killer, best to kill him in case he is.

If he's shooting at you, then yes.

Ok my uncle, a firefighter captain told me about this. The woman was selling drugs, the cops went in. She thought she was being robbed and in the dark, opened fire on the officers. Three officers were hit before the woman was shot and killed.

Age is no factor. She was a criminal, who shot three officers of the law. Does the fact that she had a fucking GUN handy and was ready to spring into action in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT not concern anyone?

Forget cops, we need to deal with the new wave of 92 year old armed drug dealers.

And whoever said to 'shut up about Darfur' can go fuck himself in the ear. It might make him smarter. Genocide is happening and if you don't consider that a problem than you are not making this world a better place and should die.

ye old saying: 'shoot when you get shot at'...if they are armed, and facing you. And if its accepable. Weapon control guys. these are basic principals...

Shooting three officers of the law is more than enough to warrent the officers shooting back. Do you dissagree?

Yes....well, i dont live in america and.....I would want to get my hands on those who i though where robbing MY house. She couldent SEE who they where...right? Anyway, no one would be making much of a deal if the cops where just thugs, theifs or kidnappers right?.

It's mildly justified. If the lady did not open fire, the police probably would not have returned it. However, if you're in that situation as an officer, you bust down a door and end up being greeted with gunfire, you will fire back. I don't think anyone would not fire back. A 92-year old with a gun is not necessarily different than a 20 or 30 year old with one. However due to her age, yes, it probably was confusing and difficult for her to tell what was going on or who was entering her house, perhaps why she decided to fire the gun in the first place.

Have a look at this, too - These are incidents which are unjustified. If the woman was indeed selling drugs and there was a warrant for her arrest or the search of her house then the officers were in the right and acted accordingly.

Why doesn't anyone take notice of anything that happens in the 3rd world? It's simple. We, humans, relate more to cultures that are more similar to our own. That's my explanation for our sickly obsession with what goes on in the US. We just don't care what happens in parts of the world that aren't like ours. Don't ask me why, that's just how it is,

Very true. I think it is just natural human instinct, which explains the famous "Birds of a feather flock together" proverb. Though it isn't just the US, here in SA when we heard of 911 we were like "Uhh, ok. Cool."
But when 4 people here got murdered we were shocked.

anyone aware that is darfur people in villages are slaughtered and/or raped everyday? For what reasons? Their ethincity.

I admire your consideration for my continent.
Our country has been sending in thousands of troops to control it, especially since if the Muslims gain to much power it could be a threat to the entire continent, including us.

Have a look at this, too - These are incidents which are unjustified.

Looks like I will move to Wyoming

My god, if it was your granny you wouldnt be so damn foolhardy

Jazhel, i would. I'm rather easy, and maby a bit cruel.

And whoever said to 'shut up about Darfur' can go fuck himself in the ear. It might make him smarter. Genocide is happening and if you don't consider that a problem than you are not making this world a better place and should die.

Thank you, i love you too. Arcan is bothering us with this in right about every topic. Why dont he stop living his rich western life then if he cared, because in essence it is our wealth that causes such things to happend. Long live poverty.

And i do care about Darfur, just not in every topic i come across.

Well, where's the logic here anyway? How many times have the police raided the wrong house looking for drugs? Countless times.

ah, Jahzel is back stiring up controversy, TWHL is normal again.

as for this,

You notice how she opened fire first and hit a few officers?

Well, if she opened fire first then it was a justified kill.

The way I saw it was they opened fire at someone they didn't see who was shooting at them.

The woman was selling drugs, the cops went in. She thought she was being robbed and in the dark, opened fire on the officers. Three officers were hit before the woman was shot and killed.

Age is no factor. She was a criminal, who shot three officers of the law. Does the fact that she had a fucking GUN handy and was ready to spring into action in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT not concern anyone?

The cops had EVERY RIGHT to shoot. They had no idea who was on the other side of that door. For all they knew it COULD have been a dangerous serial killer

is there nobody left in the world to see the logic in this!

1. Its my country to Athlete
2. Pepper, this is only the second time i brought it up. Once so that you don't forget that there are less fortunate people out there even during Christmas
and now because I find it so unbelievable that such a hullabaloo is made about a woman who was bound to die anyway.

Jahzel, it wasn't the wrong house. They did find drugs.

What do you know about my life style? I'm sad to say that all i can do at the moment is be part of a human rights group since I'm 17, and a foreigner in the USA (dad works for UN), meaning i can't take part in any active rallys (though i believe they do little). But I'm talking to those of the members who can do something, who are enough to donate or take action. I hope i'll remember this when I'm old enough so I can do as i just stated.

because I find it so unbelievable that such a hullabaloo is made about a woman who was bound to die anyway.

"Bound to die anyway", man, have you no compassion for the elderly? Has it ever occurred to you that Katherine's house was being used by a drug dealer simply because she was obviously and older woman? It's obvious criminal psychology.

Besides, the neighbours in that area are adamant that the police raided the wrong house.

?Never. Never ? this was a 92-year-old lady who lives by herself, she don?t know no young folks like that,? said neighbor Tony Terrance. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10382628/detail.html

Jahzel, it wasn't the wrong house. They did find drugs.

Whatever the story, it's pretty tragic. Especially when you realise that the entire drug war itself is a total fraud designed to eliminate competition in the biggest economical market there is.

Alex Jones: In Studio With Cele Castillo

Alex talks with former DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) agent and author Cele Castillo live in studio about John Negroponte, the fake drug war and US Agencies smuggling drugs into the US.

...And meanwhile the Government wants forced psychological evaluation of the children and forced drugging (Ritalin, Prozac etc, to kids as young as 5) for normal behaviour that is deemed "difficult".

What do you know about my life style? I'm sad to say that all i can do at the moment is be part of a human rights group since I'm 17, and a foreigner in the USA (dad works for UN), meaning i can't take part in any active rallys (though i believe they do little). But I'm talking to those of the members who can do something, who are enough to donate or take action. I hope i'll remember this when I'm old enough so I can do as i just stated.

Ask your dad about the UN's Agenda 21 Program, which describes how the population explosion is the underlying cause of human impact on biodiversity and climate change, and ask him about the future plan to reduce the world's population by 85%, and ask him about the future plan to adopt a global one-child policy like China. Also, ask him about UT Professor Dr. Pianka's role in this agenda. Oh, and one other thing. Ask him about The Project For A New American Century (PNAC) plan for "Race Specific Bioweapons"...

(Ok, I'm sorry)

UN has several branches, whereas my father works for UNICEF (United Nations Children's Education Fund), but hes never told me about any of that crap you just listed. Please give a credible source about this program and stop thinking the whole world is a conspiracy against you.
you probably believe the "loose change" theory as well. Just because it sounds correct doesn't mean it is.
The world is not out to get you.

Btw listen to that UN program yourself. 85% of the population? Are you mentally derailed to believe that? Race specific Bioweapons? Its just a ton of Bullshit thrown together by someone who desperately wants attention.

I have no compassion for drug dealers either. If you had a friend and he was a drug dealer you would probably deny it after he died because you wouldn't want to say anything bad about him and thus make yourself feel guilty.

Drug-dealer vs. barman?

the Arcan, if you want to discuss the Darfur genocide, start your own bloody thread instead of hijacking everyone else's and calling people insensitive when you do.

actually my friend, I'll think you'll find that such information can be found in their own documents which are available to the public. (They understand that the general public are not interested in reading Government documents, Bills, and proposals. The language also puts people off reading also.)

Here are some leads:

http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/index.htm

http://www.peace.ca/racetargetablebioweapons.htm

P.s. You are quick to describe me as attention-seeking and "mentally unstable", which is fine given that it is your opinion and I know to be not true, but it appears to me that you yourself are a sufferer of angst. You reactions are quick, and your defences high. I'd suspect you are having some kind of difficulties in life.

I'd also point out, that just because what the Government says sounds correct, it doesn?t mean it is.

2 days and already I'm being scrutinized!