an Inconvenient Truth Created 17 years ago2007-01-02 18:13:45 UTC by the Arcan the Arcan

Created 17 years ago2007-01-02 18:13:45 UTC by the Arcan the Arcan

Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 18:13:45 UTC Post #208328
Now that were going into a new year how about everyone makes an effort to do their small part in saving the World? I watched the movie "an inconvenient truth" by Al Gore and its starteling to see all the images and graphs of how the world is altering. Please everyone go to

http://www.climatecrisis.net

and see what YOU can do. This might even be a movie worth downloading for those of you who refuse to go to a library or buy a DVD.

More specifically check out this link on the site:

http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/whatyoucando/index2.html

Now please noone come with a wannabe bad ass defeatist attitude. Some of you might also say that Americans are at fault, but even where you live you still produce some and reducing THAT WILL help.
Helping also incorporates small things. I'm sure some of you leave your computers only for weeks. Is putting it off really that bad when you go to sleep?
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 18:30:25 UTC Post #208331
fast load of the desktop and convinience > impact of my 12 lbs. of carbon dioxide

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JK! I try to do all my errands in one car trip and I turn off lights, live in a 1500 sq. ft. house with attic insulation, and try to save energy. But i'm still a big energy hog. I guess we're all doomed.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 19:13:34 UTC Post #208339
I've seen it. Al Gore is surprisingly convincing, really does make you worry about global warming and all. I found it enjoyable, even though all that crap in the middle about how his son almost died or whatever, or that he lost the election, was totally uncalled for. I don't give a shit about Al Gore's personal issues, I paid (well, I didn't) to watch a movie about global warming.

As for energy consuming, the most consuming thing I do personally is use the computer. These things take loads of energy, but I damn straight ain't cutting back unless the damn world is exploding! Anyhow, I pretty much only ride collectively (like, y'know, buses and trains) and uh, stuff. Pretty annoying that the current (conservative! boo!) govt. has decided to put more money into making motorways instead of improving the collective traffic - that'd save lots on the environment.

I think the most efficient thing anyone can do is become vegetarian - breeding animals just to eat their flesh is extremely energy consuming. And we all know cow farts are hazardous to the atmosphere (and stuff). But I'm just too lazy to adapt to a new life style. Story of my life.

Edit: Well, actually, the most energy efficient thing anyone could do would be to commit suicide, but that's rather tragic.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 19:22:20 UTC Post #208344
I murder in the name of saving the world!
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 19:27:34 UTC Post #208348
If Al Gore hadn't been cheated in 2000, we wouldn't be at the mercy of oil prices. We'd be under house arrest in Seattle, forced to dirnk Starbucks coffee.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 19:35:46 UTC Post #208353
yeah, there is a part mankind is doing in destroying the earth, but you shouldnt forget the natural warming of the earth, ice ages have been quite overwhelming the last 2 million years, so this could very well be the run up to a next inter glacial top. But, we also had a very cold period between 1600 and 1700 wich was then titled the small ic-age, so throwing it alone on global heating is rather short visioned. Still, i think it is important to do anything we can to stop the human intervention.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 19:55:00 UTC Post #208356
100 years of fossil fuel burning has led to climate change far greater than the time spans referenced by those who argue this is a natural fluctuation. Even if it natural, I don't want any "natural" tidal waves to drown our coastal cities.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 22:13:59 UTC Post #208366
yes pepper. thats a point discussed in the movie. i think you should watch it. I agree that the movie did have some uncalled for things ("we defeated the communists"?) but the message is a good one. I probably also wont cut down on computer time but now i put of the lights when leaving a room and stuff. Small things that will make a change y'know.
And Daves right, only YOU can prevent forest fires by buying recycled paper!
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 22:31:55 UTC Post #208370
Did you know recycling paper wastes more energy than it saves?

BOOYA
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-02 22:46:43 UTC Post #208373
"we defeated the communists"?
Yeah, I twitched at that too :) . I think he even said "we defeated communism".
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 00:36:26 UTC Post #208389
probably. Luke i was referring to saving woods and forest who in turn reduce C02 who make up for the excess used energy that was used during recycling
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 00:44:07 UTC Post #208390
im going to buy LOTS of dynamite and blow up EVERYONE'S toilets and showers and sinks. that way there is more water for the fish.... which contributes to the global warming factor none.

No, we got that ozone layer breaking apart due to us, so im going to cover the sky in cellophane, and write the word OZONE across it. and we can pretend its the ozone layer, i mean since u cant see it (except the big word OZONE across the sky :tired: )
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 00:45:14 UTC Post #208391
Im throwing less smoke bombs in CS...Just doing my bit for green peace.

:nuts:
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 01:58:59 UTC Post #208398
Global warming isn't necessarily our fault, things like this occur naturally. "Greenpeace", and other global warming activists need to remove their collective head from their collective anus.
m0p m0pIllogical.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 05:41:08 UTC Post #208405
Yes indeed, but you cant disagree that in the way we abuse the earth that something should happend to stop the output of Co2 gasses and stimulating the use of alternative energy sources.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 06:09:36 UTC Post #208407
mop you also havnt seen the movie. So stop assuming and take a look
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 06:18:58 UTC Post #208410
I never trust theories which are in a movie - look at "The day after tomorrow", it has top scientist magazines splitting at there sides with laughter (And remember, they are the ones who also want to prevent global warming, but they thought it was ridiculously far fetched)

Ive heard also by top scientists that there is much more evidence pointing towards a natural happening. What about the ice ages? Those weren't caused by global warming. Everyday here in south Africa we have huge bush fires which plummet COLUMNS of Co2 into the atmosphere, and you can be assured this is much more than let off by cars. Also, ive heard apocalyptic theories like this before - none of them became fact. I'm sick of all the newspaper hysteria, in my opinion I would rather have global warming than be spammed by movies and media about it.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 06:22:01 UTC Post #208411
ZOMG I NEVER NOTICED BEFORE BUT THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW WAS REALLY A DOCUMENTARY!!!

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Seriously, you know you're off your rocker when you start stating your point that you can't trust movies by comparing crappy sci-fi flicks to documentaries.

Go read something about global warming, and you'll soon learn that it's not a theory that was started by this movie.
What about the ice ages? Those weren't caused by global warming.
... And your point is that if it didn't happen then, it couldn't happen now? Your logic is extremely flawed.
ive heard apocalyptic theories like this before
From who? Some preacher on TV? :
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 08:33:08 UTC Post #208413
Everyday here in south Africa we have huge bush fires which plummet COLUMNS of Co2 into the atmosphere, and you can be assured this is much more than let off by cars.
Yes, I'm sure one forest fire outputs more carbon dioxide than the collective outlet of gas from 600+ million cars and the world's entire industry.

Honestly, wake up - we are affecting the environment and have been since the industrial revolution - and it's going way too fast to be anything natural.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 08:36:30 UTC Post #208414
Yeah, I agree. While stuff does happen naturally, you can't deny that massive harm that we're doing.
AJ AJGlorious Overlord
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 10:43:01 UTC Post #208423
Global warming is just a load of crap. They say that this was the warmest 'something' in a 100 years, so what? It was this hot a 100 years ago!
And they broke a new record in Canada, some frost record...

Im telling you, it's bullshit.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 10:55:46 UTC Post #208424
Climate change naturally occurs anyway, it's part of the way this earth changes. Humans like to think we are all somehow in charge of everything - we are not. You can?t stop climate change. Volcanoes are a big source of natural climate changing pollution, I'd like to see Al Gore climb into a volcanoes with a big plug and survive...

The 'Save The Planet' agenda really is a fraud designed to impose taxes, grab private-owned land, and help the career of any celebrity or politician claiming to be making greener choices.

If we really gave a fuck about the environment, we'd all be driving round in free-energy cars, Hemp would be used for almost anything, forests would be planted all over the place, and the Government would no longer be required. (Muhahaha)

Really, if you think Al Gore honestly cares about this, you?ve got another thing coming.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 11:09:53 UTC Post #208429
Word, Jahzel! word...
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-03 18:12:10 UTC Post #208458
Climate change naturally occurs anyway, it's part of the way this earth changes. Humans like to think we are all somehow in charge of everything - we are not. You can?t stop climate change.
Jahzel how long have volcanoes been around? i doubt they just popped into being a couple years ago to create this temperature rise.
Take a look at the movie/graphs and see that the climate has changed drastically. Why should the earth have a sudden surge in temperature that goes of the charts?
If we really gave a fuck about the environment, we'd all be driving round in free-energy cars, Hemp would be used for almost anything, forests would be planted all over the place, and the Government would no longer be required.
Just because some corporations who care more about the current economy
than about what the worlds gonna look like in 80 years, doesn't mean everything is a lie.

Also a note to the scientists. Personally i cant prove this but apparently the scientists were shut up by governments.

Now stop being afraid of change and do something about it.
Athlete, "an inconvenient truth" is a documentary.
Frikkin buriky ^^
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 07:20:04 UTC Post #208514
Ok, lets just say global warming really does exist.

What can I alone do about it? Get a hybrid car? Wrong. They cost nearly double the price of a normal car. I cant see my parents burning out R350k on a hybrid. Maybe if you are rich, yes, but seeing that the rich form about 0.2% of the worlds population, it is a no-go. The other choice is to not use cars at all. But that is a choice which cannot be taken - we have to go to work to make a living, and where I live the public transport is absolute shit.

So my motto is: Not my fault, cant do anything about it.

If they reduced the price of hybrids, then I could do something. But it would only make a difference if MILLIONS of people followed suit.
Ive heard many saying "Its rich people who are those that help the environment the most, we should be like them"

Well obviously, they are the ones who afford solar panels, hybrids, etc etc.

Btw, is it true that USA makes up 5% of the worlds population, yet use up 25% of the worlds resources? Not that I have anything against Americans.
;)
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 12:55:11 UTC Post #208543
Jahzel how long have volcanoes been around? i doubt they just popped into being a couple years ago to create this temperature rise.
Long enough to cause the entire world's climate to change over thousands of years. If you look at the past inhabitants of earth, they had a tendency to migrate towards landmasses with suitable climates in which they could survive. Humans should do the same. When *it hits the fan, we're just going to have to get used to the idea of migrating, it's a simple as that.

Apart from Volcanic emissions, other naturally occurring factors can be held accountable for the change in the earth's climate. These would include: solar activity, changes in Earth's orbit, natural greenhouse effect, and natural atmospheric aerosols. Human impact on climate change is relatively smaller in comparison. Humans can be accountable for such things as: enhanced greenhouse effect, land use change, and enhanced atmospheric aerosols.
Take a look at the movie/graphs and see that the climate has changed drastically. Why should the earth have a sudden surge in temperature that goes of the charts?
There was a drastic change in the earth's temperature long before the existence of power plants, cars, etc. So how can this only be attributed to the impact humans have on the earth's temperature?
Just because some corporations who care more about the current economy than about what the worlds gonna look like in 80 years, doesn't mean everything is a lie.
There is no doubt that the climate is changing; no one disagrees with this assertion. The "lie" I am referring to would be if the constantly changing climate is blamed entirely on the impact humans have on it, completely ignoring the huge impact nature itself has on it simply because it wouldn't justify the introduction of ridiculous taxation, private land grabbing, and so on.
Also a note to the scientists. Personally i cant prove this but apparently the scientists were shut up by governments.
Either that or they were sacrificed to the Volcano Gods.

On another point, Even if humans were entirely responsible for everything, what good could the introduction of taxes possibly be? Is money going to save the world?

The only thing responsible for the death of our planet is the elite. They have the motive, they have the power, they have the mindset, and they own everything. They can poison our water supplies and force us to buy their water, they can suffocate us and force us to pay for their air supply, and they can give us diseases and illnesses and force us to take their mercury-filled vaccines.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 13:05:48 UTC Post #208547
I agree with you there Jahzel.
we're just going to have to get used to the idea of migrating, it's a simple as that.
Uh oh, the idea of leaving my beautiful country makes me sad.
:nervous:

Where would I move? Australia? Not even if I was held at gun-point.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 13:58:37 UTC Post #208549
Athlete go on the fucking link i gave you and see what you can do. Hybrid cars aren't the only way to make a difference. Stop arguing in a thread where you haven't even gone through the first post.

Jahzel i can't find a better image at the moment but please explain

http://fastblogit.com/media/seth_seth_1151871188.jpg

or perchance this?

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/fig2-20.gif
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 14:04:52 UTC Post #208550
woops no idea how i doubleposted
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 14:18:06 UTC Post #208553
Denying humanity's huge impact on climate change seems rather na?ve if you ask me.

Migration? Meh, good luck moving 6 million to some other hospitable planet.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 14:29:37 UTC Post #208557
Basically, we're all doomed - get used to it :biggrin:
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 15:23:31 UTC Post #208567
6 billion*, in the previous post. Forgot to edit.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 15:41:18 UTC Post #208568
Global warming is inevitable.
So it the end ouf our civilization.

Get over it. Mankind will self-destroy itself eventually.
Daubster DaubsterVault Dweller
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-04 22:46:11 UTC Post #208630
actually we still have time
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 07:38:17 UTC Post #208651
Get over it. Mankind will self-destroy itself eventually.
Of course they will.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 09:28:47 UTC Post #208666
actually we still have time
No, we don't.

There won't be any oil left by ~2025-2030. And since no-one's gonna let the scientists stop huge corporations from getting their buck - there's no one capable of stopping them.

Once we run out of oil - most of the industry (especially in poorer countries) will be forced to go back to more pollutive sources of energy (coal for e.g), since not all of the countries will be capable of affording hydrogen/other alternative energy source consuming equipment.

Of course, since no-one's doing a good enough job by stopping the fucktards, who chop down huge areas of rainforests - the earth will be unable to handle the huge ammounts of Co2 in the atmosphere.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the upcoming wars for the last drops of oil.

Call this pesimistic, but it's gonna happen sooner or later.
If the world would've thought of this in the 50s, or so - then we might've managed to stop this.
Daubster DaubsterVault Dweller
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 09:39:51 UTC Post #208668
All the major oil companies prevent the development of alternate fuel sources, mainly because they'd stand to lose a shit-tonne of money. Heck, Hybrid cars aren't the full answer, they still run on fuel, so the fuel companies still make money.

We've fucked the world, and I can only hope that I'm dead by the time we realise we fucked it.
AJ AJGlorious Overlord
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 09:46:36 UTC Post #208669
We've fucked the world, and I can only hope that I'm dead by the time we realise we fucked it.
Ditto.
I'll buy ya a drink, once it's all over.. :lol:

Anywho - it's pretty stupid to worry about things, that are not possible to prevent. I'd say, that the best thing to do would be enjoying it, while we can. Hell, we might be the last generation, that are gonna be able of living normal lives.
Daubster DaubsterVault Dweller
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 13:17:05 UTC Post #208673
The best is to forget it all and make the most of what we still have. Even if the earth is fucked/getting fucked, as daub said, we must just live by the day, and see the positive things in life.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 15:30:02 UTC Post #208684
The world is fucked, but your timescale is way off. We won't be noticably affected by the aforementioned world fucking for multiple centuries, maybe more.
m0p m0pIllogical.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 17:00:34 UTC Post #208696
daubster the "fucktards" burn down rainforest's so they can grow soybeans for your meat. and then theres the paper. do You buy recycled paper? And you timescale IS of.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 17:37:19 UTC Post #208701
That's what I said. Save the world, become vegetarian. Not that I will.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-05 20:18:41 UTC Post #208719
either way daubster bit himself in the ass
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-06 08:00:28 UTC Post #208759
That's what I said. Save the world, become vegetarian.
Not that I will.
hehe, I like that :biggrin:

I really don't care what happens to the world,
but I'm sure anyone who cares enough about it will find a short-term solution for it
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-07 20:13:38 UTC Post #208929
It is believed, and i think it is quite plausible, that this old vulcan has caused the earth to be driven into a ice age.

http://www.monolake.org/naturalhistory/volcanic.htm

It facinates me every time and reinforces my believe in the gaia theory.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-07 23:09:50 UTC Post #208955
gaia theory?
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-08 01:19:38 UTC Post #208967
i seen the movie. remember the bit about when he shown the graph of a weight with gold bars on one side and the world on the other side. And he said:
"Oh gold bars i love some gold bars mmmm."
Now i dont know about you guys but i dont find gold bars appetising.

And way. leaving your pc on all the time is bad for the environment. SO TURN EM OFF over night.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-08 06:36:35 UTC Post #208974
The gaia theory states that the earth itself is a living organism that can restore its own balance, not so much as a living breathing form of life as we know it, but a climate that can regulate itself.
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-08 10:27:29 UTC Post #208988
Friday, 05 January 2007
The Shift Is Happening - The Real Cause of Global Warming

Gregg Braden is probably the most recognized person who is evaluating and revealing the scientific phenomena pointing to this shift. He became
intrigued with all this when he was working for Phillips Petroleum in the
late 1970s and noticed that the magnetics of the earth were at their lowest point in 2000 years and decreasing at a rapid rate.

Eventually, Braden wrote a book - Awakening to Zero Point - that documented this and other indicators of our rapidly changing planet.

Wynn: Is it true that the magnetic poles of the earth are in the process of shifting right now?

Gregg: In May-June-July of 2002, it was very well acknowledged and esteemed scientific journals actually were saying for the first time that we are in the process of a polar reversal.

Back in the 1960s, geologists were certain that the earth periodically went through a reversal. They could tell from core samples, ice samples, and fossils, as well as magnetized particles that were locked into certain
positions in the rock of the earth. Geologists were so certain about this
phenomenon that they actually mapped out the last four-and-a-half-million years, and the resulting records suggested that the earth has gone through fourteen of these polar reversals.

At that time, back in 1961 and 1962, scientists felt that the last pole
reversal occurred at about the time of the last Ice Age, ten to twelve
thousand years ago. And they were certain it would happen again, but not for thousands of years, so it was nothing to worry about.

But through the 1990s, geologists continued to refine this kind of
information. They had been saying it took thousands of years for this to
happen. Then they began to say, "Well, it can happen in hundreds of years." But now, recent evidence from some of the ice cores in Greenland and Antarctica say that it could happen in as little as a decade.

But now, we know that the poles are actually moving. We're living it right now. We don't know exactly what that means, because even though it's happened fourteen times in the last four and a half million years, it's never happened with six billion people on the earth.

Wynn: Are you saying that it's common knowledge?

Gregg: It's common knowledge to people that need to know these things. For example, FAA regulations say that when the poles move beyond five or eight degrees, the runways at the airports have to be renumbered to correlate with the magnetic headings that the pilots are seeing. The first airport in the United States to comply with this mandate was Minneapolis/St. Paul, where they spent something on the order of eighty-five thousand dollars to go through and renumber the runway headings. But what happened in the May-June-July time frame of 2002 is that journalssuch as Nature, Science, Scientific American, and New Scientist released reports saying that we are definitely in the process of a magnetic reversal,and the AP wires picked it up.

Scientists have no idea what the impact is going to be to electronic and
electromagnetic power grids. But even more, they don't know what it means to human immune systems. Alternative healing modalities have shown a connection between magnetics and the immune system, which also would imply that our immune systems could very well be keyed into the magnetic fields of the earth.

We know that birds and animals migrate along the lines of these magnetic fields. So there is speculation that the changes taking place in the magnetic field are responsible for the changing migratory patterns in birds that have been recorded in Asia and North America.

The change in the fields also may explain why whales are beaching
themselves. The lines of navigation that the whales have always followed have shifted and now lead them onto a beach. When we take them back out into the water and set them free, they continue to align themselves with the same magnetic lines, and in following them, they end up on the beach again.

So, yes, it's common knowledge now. The most respected scientific journals say that we're in this shift. And even though we don't know precisely what that means, it's significant that it is being acknowledged in peer-review kinds of literature, and not just in speculative or pseudo-scientific magazines.

Wynn: When was this magnetic shift first acknowledged?

Gregg: It would have been in the June/July time frame of 2002. People were sending me emails that they had seen it, and giving me references. I also found references in the magazines myself.

Wynn: Would we survive a complete pole shift?

Gregg: Any answer to that question must of necessity lie within the realm of speculation, because in traditional recorded human history it's never happened. On the other hand, there are Native traditions and ancient Hebrew biblical traditions suggesting that a magnetic shift may have happened even more recently than the last Ice Age. That was 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, but these traditions suggest that the last shift may have happened as recently as 3,600 years ago.

Native legends speak of a day 3,600 years ago when the sun rose from the west as it had always done, hovered in the sky for more than a full day, and set in the east - but the next day, it rose in the east and set in the west, as it does today. Hebrew traditions speak of this event, also, saying that it happened during a battle. The ancient Hebrews took it as a sign that one side was receiving celestial assistance, because it stayed light long enough for the battle to complete in their favor.

We can't verify this in the rock or fossil records, because 3,600 years is
too short a period of time for such an event to be reflected there. All we
have to go by are traditions, legends, and myths preserved in oral and
written documents.

What the trandition tells us, however, is that if something like this were
to happen, the people of the earth would live through it. It would have to be a really strange day to live through, but if the ancient legends are
true, it happened and the people apparently survived. However, we don't know how it affected their lives.

Wynn: Do you have any idea how this magnetic shift might change
consciousness?

Gregg: The speculation is that there is a correlation between consciousness and magnetics. In order to understand how this connection might work, it is useful to compare it to a computor's memory. The magnetic fields in the memory are held in place through an electrical charge - a trickle charge - within the computer itself. When the batteries in the computer die, the charge is gone, and the memory is lost. We have to reload the operating system.

Similarly, by researchers and descendents of indigenous peoples believe that when the earth goes through what science sees as a magnetic reversal, it also will be a great shift and cleansing of the earth's consciousness. There will be nothing holding all the magnetic patterns that have been put in place. So when we awaken from this shift, what becomes consciousness will be our truest nature, our truest essence. And the memory of all of the evil or all the bad things or all of the grudges or the ego and we've held against one another as individuals and nations will not be part of that new consciousness, that new grid.

From that perspective, many traditions predict, sense, or speculate that we are nearing a time of what they call the Great Cleansing, and that this cleansing is happening at a level of core memory of consciousness.

Wynn: So is it possible to assume that in some way, our memory is connected to this magnetic field?

Gregg: I think so. I think that because of the strange accounts of the
astronauts who left earth and went into space during the Apollo Program. In leaving the earth's atmosphere and circling the planet many miles above the surface, the affects of earth's magnetics were negligible. And the astronauts began to have experiences that they were not prepared or trained for, that were totally unanticipated.

When they were in space and looked back to earth, they began having insights and feelings, awakenings and awarenesses that they had never had when they were on the earth. It meant something different to each one of them.

In much the same way, friends of mine who went to Viet Nam were all changed when they came home. It changed everyone. For some, the change was so painful that they could never speak about it, and for others, the change was a catalyst in their lives and they spoke of it incessantly.

And I believe there was actually a PBS special that documented this same phenomenon with the astronauts, that they were never the same afterward. When they came back, there were some who didn't know what to do with their outer space experience. Some turned to drugs and alcohol. Others channeled the change that occurred within them in very positive, life-affirming projects.

One of this latter group was Dr. Edgar Mitchell, who founded the Noetic
Sciences Organization in an effort to validate the phenomenon of human
consciousness. Another astronaut undertook the search for Noah's Ark, and actually found it embedded in the ice on Mt. Ararat, right where the Bible said it would be.

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Wynn: So the implication here is that these astronauts, because they left the magnetic field of the earth, had some kind of spiritual awakening?

Gregg: They certainly went through a catharsis when they were no longer in the influence of the earth's magnetic field.

We also see something similar happening when we look at the magnetic fields of the earth. They are not constant over the surface of the earth, and contour maps, available through United States Geologic Survey, show the varying intensities of magnetic fields over the surface of the earth - where magnetic fields have a very high intensity and where the intensity if very low.

Those fields have shifted over time, and may actually account for why
populations of humans have migrated to the places they've migrated to. They might have been following these magnetic contours.

What happens is that in the places where the magnetics are very low, where their effects are negligible, tremendous change and innovation appear to occur. Where the magnetics are traditionally high, those are the places of stagnation where changes, although they do happen, take a long time and change is very slow in coming.

If I were coming here from another world and didn't know anything about the people of the earth, and if I were looking for a place where the opportunity of change was the greatest, I would look for the zero contour lines. And if you look at a map of the magnetics on earth today, what you find is that there is a zero contour line that runs along the West Coast of North America - along the California coast and on up off the coast of Alaska. In other words, the magnetics along the West Coast are almost nil!

When we think of the West Coast, we think about wacky California. Well, the truth is California is a seed, one of several, and it's traditionally been very innovative in technology, science, fashion, finance, and the arts, because there is an opportunity for tremendous change there.

Within North American, the flip side of that would be an area of highest
magnetics, where the magnetic fields are the most dense. And you find this down through some of the Southeastern states - the very states that are traditionally viewed as being conservative. This doesn't mean that change can't happen there. What is says, however, is that change takes a long time there, and people have to see a really good reason before they are going to budge from what they've always done.

Wynn: So where the magnetic field is less dense, people are more open to the moment?

Gregg: They're open to change, period. It doesn't mean that the change is good, bad, right, or wrong. It's important to be clear about this. The consciousness of the people will determine how that change comes about.

I'll give an ironic example. There is a zero contour line that runs right
through the Middle East. It actually runs almost directly underneath the
area we call the Suez Canal, right up into Israel, right along the coast of
the Red Sea. Yes, right in that area is a zero contour line. This means that area is ripe for change. But again, how that change comes about - whether it's peaceful and constructive or angry and destructive - is determined by the consciousness of the people who live there.

Wynn: So it's not good or bad either way?

Gregg: Precisely. It simply is an opportunity for change. At the same time, the highest magnetic contour lines noted anywhere on the planet earth have traditionally been in portions of the former Soviet Union, Russia, and Siberia. We know that in that part of the world, there was a system that was in place, and while change came about, it was slow and painful, a long time coming, with a lot of suffering. But when that change happened, there was a cascade effect, and it happened almost overnight.

So the correlations are very interesting between human consciousness, the opportunities for innovation, change, doing things in a new way, and the magnetics of our world.

The Earth has many areas of high and low change.

Wynn: Our readers are going to want to know how they can best face the changes that are coming in our world as a whole.

Gregg: I'll be as concise as I can. I think that the answer to that is
perhaps encapsulated best in the words of those who have come before us, the ancient Essenes, in a text that's more than 2,500 years old. It reminds us of our relationship to the world around us, and says simply that the world around us is nothing more and nothing less than a mirror of what we have become from within.

So when we see a world that appears angry, cruel, and thoughtless, that produces suffering for our brothers and sisters all over the world - from this perspective, that world is a mirror of what we have become as
individuals, families, societies, and nations. It's not right, wrong, good
or bad. It's simply a reflection of who we are. The condition of the planet is a feedback mechanism.

So if we want to see change in our world, we must become that change in our every day lives. If we want to see peace, tolerant understanding,
compassion, and forgiveness at the global level, we must become that. At the dinner table. With our families. We must become that with our schools.

We must demand that we be entertained through peace, compassion, and understanding. It doesn't have to be dull and boring. It can still be very exciting, but it does not have to be ruthless, thoughtless, cruel, or
heartless.

So in our daily lives, every moment of every day, we make a choice that
either affirms or denies life in our bodies. Because we are linked through
this grid. Our individual choices all pool into the collective answer to our
future.

If we'd like to see a collective change, we must individually become that
change.

Wynn: We have this date of 2012 that many people are saying is this time of global shift or Ascension. What do you think is going to happen?

Gregg The date 2012 is interesting because it comes up in Mayan traditions, Egyptian traditions, some of the Christian traditions, and even in the Bible Code - which is very controversial unto itself.

My sense is this date could be any date. If we focus on a date and live our lives preparing for a change on that date, we miss life. From my
perspective, if we simply live each day of our lives to its fullest, we
reconcile the experiences that cross our paths each day, we reconcile the opportunity to honor life, to honor our relationships with one another.

If we are honest, truthful, considerate, caring and compassionate, if we
live this each day, we have already prepared for whatever could possibly
come on 2012 or any other day, any other year, any time in our future.

I know people who are living their lives hoarding boxcars full of food and
ammunition, preparing for the day when our world changes. I understand, and I think it's good to be self sufficient. I understand what they are saying. But also what I've seen is that so much of their lives is dedicated to preparing for that day, they've missed the beauty and the mystery of life that unfolds in every day. And it's in perceiving this beauty and mystery that we prepare for the greatest challenges!

Wynn: So basically, if one wants to approach this change with the maximum positive outcome for themselves, the key is to live each day with the maximum output of love, compassion, and caring?

Gregg: Yes, and to do this, we have to live each day consciously. Be aware of the opportunities. Recognize the opportunities that cross our paths. Every day, we're given the opportunity to be tolerant of another belief system, to forgive someone who has hurt or angered us, to reconcile our own judgments about what should or should not be in our world.

If we can reconcile these things as they cross our paths and consciously
deal with them in the moment, then we know we're changing the chemistry of our bodies by changing the way we feel, and are thus preparing ourselves for whatever transitions the earth is going to go through.

If that makes sense.

Wynn: Yes, it does to me. Is there anything really important to close with for our readers that I might have missed?

Gregg: For the first time in our history, the fate of our species, our
entire species, rests upon the choices of a single generation. And what
we've just done is talked about what some of those choices are all about.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/5014/48/
Posted 17 years ago2007-01-08 11:24:44 UTC Post #208998
It is nothing new, they have been shifting for century's, though some people fear this is the last one, or in simple words, the freezing of our core.

these changes never happend overnight though, they have always been mapped on the sea charts, and nowadays there is a standard magnetic variation used in aviation, also show on the charts.

Again, the whole thingy you quoted is from the ill mind of this Icke again, find something else for a change Jaz :) .
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