Ron Paul 2008 Created 17 years ago2007-06-07 09:51:37 UTC by Jahzel

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Americans, you are crazy if you don't support this guy for 2008!

If Ron Paul wins, the neo-con war machine will collapse - his victory will not only effect the US, it will effect the entire globe.

He is winning all the polls yet the media treats him like a fictional character. FOX News has been caught censoring poll results and cheating. Guiliani did not win a recent FOX News poll, the Congressman did.

Here are some screens of recent poll results:A simple BBC HYS search in the US Presidential Debate section reveals yet more support for Ron Paul:

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=6460&&&edition=2&ttl=20070607144905

Go check it out.

A few idiots say they havent even heard of him even though they watched him speak in the debates... (numnuts)

Ron Paul needs to win - do not kid yourself, all the other runners are scum.

.. are you his campaign manager?

No

...friend or family?

Why do you want this guy soooo bad?

Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aewpvcxAwTk

Any1 wana summarise that video - I fell asleep after about 30 seconds!

Nah... from the comments I can see why, although thats the sort of bulls**t that they always promise - but it never happens. :

Blah.... "... don't give a fuck about politics!"

Basically that video teaches you about the criminal, unconsititutional neo-con empire which is using the US as an engine for global domination. Through warfare, the plan is to systematically take over the entire Middle East region and expand the superpower by setting up and arming new dictaors and so-called 'threats'.

Just recently, Bush authorised a Sunni al Qaeda group formally headed by alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to be armed and bankrolled by the CIA. The group is to carry out "regime change" and destabalise the Iranian Government by conducting raids and bombings... Sound familiar?

yes it sounds exactly like the rest of the utter rubbish conspiracy theories you try to spread around here

^ Ignorance for you.

And I know everyone on TWHL is old enough to vote!

"Basically that video teaches you about the criminal, unconsititutional neo-con empire which is using the US as an engine for global domination. Through warfare, the plan is to systematically take over the entire Middle East region and expand the superpower by setting up and arming new dictaors and so-called 'threats'.

Just recently, Bush authorised a Sunni al Qaeda group formally headed by alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to be armed and bankrolled by the CIA. The group is to carry out "regime change" and destabalise the Iranian Government by conducting raids and bombings... Sound familiar?

LOL

im interested and old enough to vote

oh c'mon, who doesn't want Obama as prez

It's not the first time CIA has worked with militant groups for their interests.

Look back at Fidel Castro, he got into power with the help of the CIA.

Jahzel would you mind searching for the original article rather than these shady websites?

nigger for prez!!!!!!!!

cheya

Oh my god! Yay! American Politics!

I can't think of anything less interesting. Anything.

Bah, Obama's just the token nee'gro...

I can't think of anything less interesting. Anything.

Erm... yes, I can...

...British politics

ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran
April 03, 2007 5:25 PM

Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.

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U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.

Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html

P.S. Arcan, for someone with at least some humanitarian principles - you really ought to open your mind a bit.

Politics is for politicians! Give me Bewbs!

You called?

LMAO.

I think there has been a misunderstanding.

i have (or hope i have) an open mind but i dislike these sort of illuminaty theories. Lets say there really was a secret Organization controlled the US government. What difference does it make? Its not like theyll put us all into jail or reinstate slavery.

Pardon my ignance, but what is neo-con?

Neoconservatism, Project for the New American Century etc. Scary stuff.

Although I have my doubts about some (most) of Jahzel's conspiracy theories, the fact that PNAC is such an active organisation in the US govt. is worrying enough to vote for this guy. He's my favourite so far, although Obama does have sexy ears...
Clinton just hates videogames, I haven't paid attention to anything she does.

If I were in the US of A, I wouldn't vote for no republican. Abortion and gay marriage FTW!

That's not the only thing to be concerned about, MiN3R. Does it matter so much what party an individual is in as it does what their ideals are? Would you rather have Hillary than this guy?

Certainly not. But I feel kind of bad for voting for a guy that belongs to a conservative party, you see?

I don't know this guy, his philosophy or his work, I guess I'm being prejudiced.

Conservatism ftl, indeed, but when the choices are this bad, you'd have to vote on a personal level instead of ideological. I agree though, it'd bear heavy to have to vote conservative... thank god I don't live there.

Its not like theyll put us all into jail or reinstate slavery.

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean you should rule anything out. Have you heard about FEMA and the REX 84 program, which would be enacted in a "state of civil disobedience" (another set of buzzwords, like 'national security' or 'terrorism')? Or another plan, Operation Garden Plot, which would give a new governmental system the ability to forcefully control the population (under this "civil disturbance plan", deadly force is authorized against any "extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.")

You're going to have to dig around in documents and various sources to corroborate such sources and whatnot, however. Obviously a mainstream, corporate-controlled media outlet isn't going to report on such matters.

now remind me why an organization would wreck the economy that sustains them?

I'm glad Rabid just informed you of REX 84 - because, I was just about to say, 'have you heard of the US official government plan to put you in FEMA camps when a federal emergency is declared (Martial Law). The cover story is that REX 84 was meant for illegals - but the Government is declaring full amnesty.

These thing are very real indeed. Here's a video of a FEMA concentration camp:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258&q=fema+camp

This is the one in Beech Grove but It's much sharper and larger.

I did some research on the "so called" furnaces and the white AGA Gas ... all ? Inc. Cylinder.

The "so called" furnaces are exhaust fans.

AGA GAS Inc. Sells mostly asphyxiation type gases...you can verify this by doing a search via dogpile for AGA GAS Inc. and the look for web site MDS and they will list the gases.

In the video it shows a gas main, you can see there are 2 or 3 connections with regulators on top. Regulators are used to regulate pressure and gas mixtures.

It seems that this is indeed a death camp, for those on the red and blue list. It can process 26,000 people every 24hrs. The site has since been cleaned up to look inconspicuous.

...See folks - the red and blue list - exactly what I was talking to you about - it's called OPERATION ENDGAME. In the future, red rating (bad credit) on your Biometric ID Card system will mean you wont be able to travel, purchase anything - or have any rights as a citizen. You will be put in a FEMA camp under forced labor. Under the Patriot Acts 1 and 2, you can also be secretly executed, secretly detained, secretly tortured. All without public trial.

You think that aint gonna happen? Well just look at whats going on in Abu Graib and Gitmo - innocents being tortured to death without fair trial. And a guy named John Mew says it's okay for children to be tortured if they belonged to so-called al Qaeda suspects if it provides useful info... And not they have all the television programs you watch with the likes of Jack Bower, telling you how great torture is.

You have to be either naive or incredibly stupid to think this is all OK.

I mean the very fact that we have secret torture basews now - does that not just, alarm you in anyway? Or maybe your parents think it's OK so you do to?

....Stop critising me and go look at the info, go to infowars DOT COM - RIGHT NOW!!! That's an order!!!!!!!!!!

(Sorry id theres any typos, I'm a little bit pissed right now)

Pretty interesting. Seems like he's rallying big support online but is failing nationwide. For shame, I always liked libertarians, even though they're blatantly economically conservative.

He promotes a free-market society, what is wrong with that?

lmao, that made me lol zl.

Jahzel that video actually made me nauseous :(...

but only because the guy cant hold the camera straight for more then 2 seconds!

Any Tom, Dick and Harry can go film some random facility with security gates and call it a death camp. Then have a blurry 3 second shot of some little fan and say that its used in the process to exterminate people. Hell, one could just go to a shut-down pig-processing factory and get better footage than that video. And then the description says how many people can be killed in what time. How the fuck would they know that? Its called attention whoring by shell-shocking the audience with the first big number you can think of.

I won't deny that theres shady stuff going in Iraq but you people should maybe think about to draw the line and when you should stop trusting a site thats only advertisement sponsor is a company which cant afford a better banner than a 2-frame gif.

And once again, if there really was such a huge conspiracy theory then i doubt some random people would actually find out about it. And if we really do live in such a totalitarian world why havnt they already hunted you down in your little lizard lick? It shouldn't be to hard to find you in a tiny community with such resources as this ueber organization has. I'd clean that shotgun now if i were you. Who knows who might be watching 0___0

I thought that FEMA camp thing was kinda dumb.

Anything could become a camp.

Gulags For American Citizens In Final Planning Stages
Halliburton sex slave trade criminals prepare camps for political dissidents

Bush administration and US army preparations to target American citizens and intern them in forced labor camps has vastly accelerated in the past month and commentators from all over the political spectrum are sounding the alarm bells that the round-ups may begin soon.

Once the bane of the media's stereotypical 'tin foil hat wearing' caricatures, concentration camps in America are now serious news and no one is laughing.

Following the news first given wide attention by this website, that Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency, the Alternet website put together an alarming report that collated all the latest information on plans to initiate internment of political subversives and Muslims after the next major terror attack in the US.

The article highlighted the disturbing comments of Sen. Lindsey Graham, who encouraged torture supporting Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to target, "Fifth Columnists" Americans who show disloyalty and sympathize with "the enemy," whoever that enemy may be.

It is important to stress that the historical precedent mirrors exactly what the Halliburton camp deal outlines. Oliver North's Reagan era Rex 84 plan proposed rounding up 400,000 refugees, under FEMA, in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States.

The real agenda, just as it is with Halliburton's gulags, was to use the cover of rounding up immigrants and illegal aliens as a smokescreen for targeting political dissidents. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

The current terrorist suspect list was recently revealed to contain the names of 325,000 people. The government claimed that only a tiny fraction were American citizens living in America but when compared to the potential terrorist list in the UK, which under section 44 of the terrorism act has ensnared at least 119,000 people, most of them innocent protesters, the number is likely to be far higher. Britain's population is only 60 million compared to the US at 295 million.

Halliburton, through their KBR subsidiary, is the same company that built most of the major new detention camps in Iraq and Afghanistan. KBR have been embroiled in a human sex slave trade that their representatives have lobbied to continue.

We have a company that has been handed a contract to build prison camps in America that is engaged in trafficking young girls and women. Can this horror movie get any more frightening?

A much discussed and circulated report, the Pentagon's Civilian Inmate Labor Program, has recently been updated and the revision details a "template for developing agreements" between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations."

The plan is clearly to swallow up disenfranchised groups likes prisoners and Muslims at first and then extend the policy to include 'Fifth Columnists,' otherwise known as anyone who disagrees with the government or exercises their Constitutional rights.

Respected author Peter Dale Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law."

Daniel Ellsberg, former Special Assistant to Assistant Secretary of Defense, called the plan, "preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters. They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."

George Bush has declared himself to be dictator and to have supreme power over and above the limitations of the US Constitution. Bush administration officials like Alberto Gonzales have declared Bush to be "above the law." White House advisors are openly discussing the legality of crushing a child's testicles as part of the war on terror. Preparation for the internment of thousands of Americans who are 'disloyal' in times of emergency are afoot.

The next step is clearer than it has ever been. One more large scale staged terror attack in America and the result will be martial law. When even famous singers like Morrissey are being detained and questioned by the secret service for "speaking out against the American and British governments," we know we are in a lot of trouble.

CIVILIAN INMATE LABOR PROGRAM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program

That was an official army manual detailing the need for labor camps - right there. Go look at it.

When you're on the red list you'll be put in one of these things.

Call me a kook all you want, but just remember - a lot of stuff was considered kooky before it became widely known or public.

how come there still are so many people speaking out against the government? The way you act and the truckloads you spew should you have been detained long ago if this is such an ancient program?
Thats the problem with Americans, this whole "freedom" jibber jabber. Always scared that the next person will come and take it away.

I think I'm moving to Canada when I'm older. :

He promotes a free-market society, what is wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with it, I just don't support it in areas like education, healthcare, etc. Socialism wins.

Thats the problem with Americans, this whole "freedom" jibber jabber. Always scared that the next person will come and take it away.

Ok, when your done watching Mr. T, let me remind you that freedom is a very precious thing. Freedom is not Free. People fought and died to give you freedom and all you want to do is sit there and tell me I'm a kook for giving a fuck.

how come there still are so many people speaking out against the government? The way you act and the truckloads you spew should you have been detained long ago if this is such an ancient program?

Also, while your at it, go take a look at these examples of freedom abuse in the United States and Europe.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_police_state.html

Come back to me when you've read at least one or two (which I know you wont because you never seem to)

ok i read:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/270504_shoot_to_kill.html

This one really is perspective which will veer ofcourse

and this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/051203snappedaway.html

However this shows how many hypocrites there are. First they all cry about freedom and then when the authorities do stuff to protect that fucking freedom they immediately backlash. How else is one to combat this threat of terrorism that the western world created themselves?

and FOR FUCKS SAKE. Freedom is FREE. Look at Europe and Australia how "free" everyone there is. I don't see them going and fucking other people up who they think will take away their freedom. Heres the truth. NOONE gives a flying fuck about you and your chicken shit, or me, or your neighbor or you whole family! What would anyone benefit from taking away your freedom? Nothing.

Now i admit there are still regions in the world where people are not "free", however this discussion revolves around the western world who's been free for over 130 fucking years.

and the questions in my previous post was directly aimed at you. not at the anonymous mob

No, you misread the phrase. FREEDOM isn't FREE. FREEDOM has a cost. Many have sacrificed their lives for our FREEDOM. Sadly, the Government terrorists want to take our freedom away and turn us into a China-like nightmare. (By the way, China is the New World Order role model - it's like a laboratory where the Government can experiment with all kinds of evil and get away with it. Meanwhile the Government and media are out there worshipping China). Now, evil terrorist, Tony Blair, is hinting at China style net-censorship because he doesn?t like the media exposing what a piece of trash he is.

Oh and by the way, just for the record,

Biometric ID Cards isn't freedom.

CPS grabbing children isn't freedom.

A cop arresting you for ?wiretapping? because you are filming them isn?t freedom.

A cop arresting you because you stare at their police dogs isn?t freedom.

Illegals being recruited by the military so that they can eventually be deployed on the streets isn't freedom.

Checkpoints, biometric thumb scanning, satellite tracking and Veri-chip implants isn't freedom.

Well, actually from that list people got arrested for fucking with the police. I'm not saying its right but lets say you would just not provoke them? And if i were a cop and some nut were filming me id get uneasy aswell. the rest of the list is what one would call safety procedures to protect your freedom =].

Actually Chinas cut its death sentences by 10% =D. Progress

Always scared that the next person will come and take it away.

It's already begun, to some extent. Certain social groups are being marginalized for certain activities or lifestyle choices, and therefore their rights to freedom are being limited at the hands of special interest groups. (ie; smokers, obese people)

Additionally, while a cop may get "uneasy" if someone's filming him in a public place, that does not give him the right to arrest you or confiscate your property, or take any action against you whatsoever for that matter. In a free state you are free to photograph or film anyone and anything in a public place as long as you aren't harassing anyone or causing any trouble, because public places are for everybody.

You could also argue that those people are arrested for fucking with the cops, but that's probably simply not true. It depends on the cop, but I've had enough dealings with the law and the court to know that the cops get away with a lot more than they should and don't always work by the book. Just last week my buddy was handcuffed (on a legitimate charge, I'm not going to defend him for that) and while cuffed, was kicked in the head and beaten while defenseless by a police officer. That's not an issue of freedom and a different story, but it always disgusts me to see that irresponsibility by people in that position of power.

Amen.

As far as I'm concerned, all the presidential candidates are idiots. Gordon Freeman for president!

And I know everyone on TWHL is old enough to vote!

I'm old enough to vote. I just don't want to.

well to be totally fair in such cases one should also hear the cops side of the story as well and a third non-involved person. Its easy to point fingers when one only hears one side of the story.