I think we should stop talking about personal oppinions about others now.
It obviously doesn't add any value.
The current admins and mods will decide whether we need new mods and who will be asked to do the job.
We don't need another flame war.
ToDo
Created 20 years ago2004-07-26 13:15:03 UTC by
atom
Created 20 years ago2004-07-26 13:15:03 UTC by
atom
Posted 20 years ago2004-07-31 18:02:51 UTC
Post #47194
Posted 20 years ago2004-07-31 18:04:43 UTC
Post #47195
amen brother.
Posted 20 years ago2004-07-31 18:44:34 UTC
Post #47211
this is the sort of spam i was talking about, there alreayd fighting about who can do what whilst atom/andy does not even have decide what to do.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 04:08:16 UTC
Post #47303
Exactly. The best option would be to wait and see what happens. Take it as it comes people. Enough of this childish bickering.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 05:03:15 UTC
Post #47304
Besides, arguing over who would be good for new mods just makes you sound silly and will probably not earn you a mod position.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 06:26:33 UTC
Post #47306
Quite agree. Let's wait for Andy and atom to do what they want.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 06:50:19 UTC
Post #47316
Yes, their the only ones that really matter anyway. There was a poll script at one time? Then by all means it should be easy to give someone admin powers over it. Because then people can vote on things. I just got another idea, if we do the ranking system there could be a sub-admin only poll, to decide important issues.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 11:34:24 UTC
Post #47339
well, i wasnt arguing over who should be admin. But i will stop.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 18:04:04 UTC
Post #47436
the site is dead on for browsing forum posts etc....i think anon posting shouold be banned an if possible thread critism in instant messaging to the poster so noone has to see flamin bs. Anyways...the sooner the better ppl! lol
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 20:45:38 UTC
Post #47461
Nice to see you back Atom.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-01 22:17:21 UTC
Post #47464
The last time he logged in was 6 days ago, thinik hes working on website.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 06:23:23 UTC
Post #47509
yupperz, he is.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 08:31:30 UTC
Post #47542
U guys assume to much. Atom is one busy guy I guess
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 10:47:58 UTC
Post #47564
can i be a sub-mod plese. im here every day at one point or another and know what im doing.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 10:56:52 UTC
Post #47565
Youve only been here 77 days!
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 14:57:57 UTC
Post #47602
but i was mapping long before that and im here alot now that i found this site.
/begin tail
/begin tail
well i was at the VERC you see and for some reason my computer kept crashing when i went there. so i went to google and looked for HL mapping pages. i eventually stummbled upon this little jewel called TWHL...end tail
...so by now i have gotten second place in a compo and know more now then i did when i first came. even though i had been mapping for many years now there was always something new to learn...
...and that was how i ended up finding out about VERCs flaws and how baddly dial up does suck.which makes me think about a comic called ctrl-alt-del that has inspired...
...so now you no what happened to me in my short trip to germany where my cousin told me about cs and his clan which inspired me to map my first real map which i called...
im not ging to bother posting the rest of the story, it is very long and won't teach you much
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 18:00:14 UTC
Post #47614
This isnt the life story thread, any moderator, please delete all of the non-sense on this thread including the argument... please.
Nonsense in this thread is acceptable, especially when someone is trying to get a point across.
Your post on the other hand doesn't meet the criteria below...(ed: Andy)
Nonsense in this thread is acceptable, especially when someone is trying to get a point across.
Your post on the other hand doesn't meet the criteria below...(ed: Andy)
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-02 20:32:26 UTC
Post #47633
I'd say we stop posting ideas until Atom posts again, He's already got alot to read.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-03 07:28:31 UTC
Post #47687
Hey I want to be an Admin... where do I sign up..
Oh, I forgot I already was one? Doh!
Seriously,
We have discussed having more Moderators for the forums.
We are still undecided.
If I had to choose a new Forum Moderator from all the members, I could count the people I would consider on one hand (I have four fingers and a thumb!)
Those people are:
Always helpful,
Always provide Full answers with links to even the dumbest question.
Never post for the sake of posting.
Never abuse or flame anyone.
Always know what they are talking about and use common sense when problem solving.
Think about it people....
Oh, I forgot I already was one? Doh!
Seriously,
We have discussed having more Moderators for the forums.
We are still undecided.
If I had to choose a new Forum Moderator from all the members, I could count the people I would consider on one hand (I have four fingers and a thumb!)
Those people are:
Always helpful,
Always provide Full answers with links to even the dumbest question.
Never post for the sake of posting.
Never abuse or flame anyone.
Always know what they are talking about and use common sense when problem solving.
Think about it people....
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-03 11:32:55 UTC
Post #47705
Vassy, Kol, m0pX, Pepper, and possibly ministeve.
I only wish to be a moderator for the death row idea.
I only wish to be a moderator for the death row idea.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-03 21:30:39 UTC
Post #47801
atom, wht do you think about my death row idea? i really want to know before i leave on vacation fairly soon. 
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-04 03:46:24 UTC
Post #47847
Those people are:Sounds very RabidMonkey777ish to me.
Always helpful,
Always provide Full answers with links to even the dumbest question.
Never post for the sake of posting.
Never abuse or flame anyone.
Always know what they are talking about and use common sense when problem solving.
Maybe making someone who doesnt always give nice answers a moderator will motivate them to do a good job. Or maybe not.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-04 04:01:15 UTC
Post #47849
Thank you .
I think that was part of the aim of Andy's post, to motivate forum-goers to try and provide helpful answers and resources as it makes the forums a better place and can involve benefits for you
.
. I think that was part of the aim of Andy's post, to motivate forum-goers to try and provide helpful answers and resources as it makes the forums a better place and can involve benefits for you
.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-04 20:25:21 UTC
Post #47968
But, i realize, your heart is pure evil. 
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-04 20:37:38 UTC
Post #47973
Nobody mentions me.
Ill just go kill myself then.
Ill just go kill myself then.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-04 23:53:18 UTC
Post #48011
My 2 cents worth as a newbie:
This site has several attractions, some of which I can comment on only from a visitor's viewpoint.
Tutorials and other resources I'm a noob with Hammer. This site is a godsend for a beginning mapper. I hope tutorials, both general and specific, will be well-moderated and well-maintained.
Maps From the hip -> 90% of the comments are useless. "Awesome!" "Great!" "Good work!" - doesn't tell me whether it's worth the time to download and try out. I'm more interested in why a rating is given that what the rating is. I learned quickly whose comments were worth considering and whose weren't.
I'd suggest giving a recently uploaded map no rating at all. If it gets some responsible comments, each of which includes a star (or other) rating with it, then the more highly rated maps can go to vault consistent with their rating.
A responsible review may be required to comment on several categories: use of texturing, consistency of theme, playability, etc.
This site has several attractions, some of which I can comment on only from a visitor's viewpoint.
Tutorials and other resources I'm a noob with Hammer. This site is a godsend for a beginning mapper. I hope tutorials, both general and specific, will be well-moderated and well-maintained.
Maps From the hip -> 90% of the comments are useless. "Awesome!" "Great!" "Good work!" - doesn't tell me whether it's worth the time to download and try out. I'm more interested in why a rating is given that what the rating is. I learned quickly whose comments were worth considering and whose weren't.
I'd suggest giving a recently uploaded map no rating at all. If it gets some responsible comments, each of which includes a star (or other) rating with it, then the more highly rated maps can go to vault consistent with their rating.
A responsible review may be required to comment on several categories: use of texturing, consistency of theme, playability, etc.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 02:48:25 UTC
Post #48037
Awesome!" "Great!" "Good work!" -- doesn't tell me whether it's worth the time to download and try outGood call there. It also doesnt help if you are the author of the map and you wish to know what to improve on.
And make it so you can only rate if you comment! Kind of Like SnarkPit, just a bit different.
Example:
Good Map!
Texturing: 5 Fun: 5 Architecture: 4 Gameplay: 3 Overall: 4
That way you know what to improve on, which in this case is architecture and gameplay.
And on the topic of the MV. I think screenshots must become compulsory. I hate opening up the MV and seeing 'No Screenshot' images everywhere. If they try to post a map with no screenshot, a message should come up; 'Error: No screenshot Included. Press F5 in game to take a screenshot, and it will be saved in your half-life folder as "mapname0000". Open it up in an Image editing program, and save it as a .jpeg file. Click here to go back.'.
Does anyone agree with me on any of these suggestions?
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 02:55:44 UTC
Post #48038
I'd suggest giving a recently uploaded map no rating at all. If it gets some responsible comments, each of which includes a star (or other) rating with it, then the more highly rated maps can go to vault consistent with their rating.Amen brother.
As for commenting, it's up to a person himself how to comment. It's not a review after all. But I do agree with you some people have better comments than others. Personally I like such comment more as they provide a better feedback to the mapper. But then again, you can't demand such a thing...
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 03:06:47 UTC
Post #48041
I understand what your saying, Captain P.
Texturing: 5 Fun: 5 Architecture: 4 Gameplay: 3 Overall: 4But if you had that, you wouldnt need to make massive long comments, as the rating will speak for itself. So you could simply say 'I enjoyed playing this map' or 'Good work. Keep it up!' and then just give it a rating.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 03:10:39 UTC
Post #48042
Screenshots are indeed an important part of presenting your level. A screenshot gives a first impression of the map and if that's a good one, people are more likely to download it.
So, from the mappers point of view, it's just necessary to give a screenshot. Some people however think different, but that's their problem. Their map just isn't going to get a lot of attention....
As for giving seperate area's of level design a rating, I like it. It provides a more in-depth sign to people that browse through the vault, and to the mapper himself. So, a different rating system actually.
So, from the mappers point of view, it's just necessary to give a screenshot. Some people however think different, but that's their problem. Their map just isn't going to get a lot of attention....
As for giving seperate area's of level design a rating, I like it. It provides a more in-depth sign to people that browse through the vault, and to the mapper himself. So, a different rating system actually.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 05:12:35 UTC
Post #48062
Why dont they just delete prickly_pimple, save us all the trouble.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 08:35:39 UTC
Post #48082
As for commenting ... It's not a review after all.Excellent point, Cap'n. Comments are not reviews, an invalid expectation on my part. Perhaps a moderator could give it a categorized rating review before it comes out of a "newly submitted" or "unrated" vault. I would also hope that a categorized rating could be submitted by anyone (or site member).
Just for grins, I did some quick counting of maps in the vault dated in the last two months. An average of 5/week in "unfinished" and 13/week in "completed." (I suspect that "completed" means "I'm done with it"
) Certainly doesn't seem excessive, although, if a person could only work at them once or twice a week, it might get a little heavy.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-05 11:32:13 UTC
Post #48101
Bj, wow. You got some good ideas.
a god send perhaps?!?
Zombie loffe, i actually think youd make a good moderator.
a god send perhaps?!?
Zombie loffe, i actually think youd make a good moderator.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 03:21:57 UTC
Post #48342
Getting rid of anonymous posts sounds good and all, but all its going to do is make people join, post like 3 things, and leave. I came to this site because of all its tutorials lol (Just a lil info).
Well I don't mean to nit-pick but if Pepper "left" (even though he didn't really), it doesn't show good admin characteristics.
Well I don't mean to nit-pick but if Pepper "left" (even though he didn't really), it doesn't show good admin characteristics.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 04:27:50 UTC
Post #48365
What do people think of my rating system idea of:
Good Map!
Texturing: 5 Fun: 5 Architecture: 4 Gameplay: 3 Overall: 4
Seventh seems to like it on the IRC channel, which is good.
Good Map!
Texturing: 5 Fun: 5 Architecture: 4 Gameplay: 3 Overall: 4
Seventh seems to like it on the IRC channel, which is good.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 04:37:24 UTC
Post #48370
Yeah that's pretty good imo...
make it out of 10 instead though.
make it out of 10 instead though.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 05:22:30 UTC
Post #48379
I'm not sure that 'fun' is necessary. Maybe just three things, construction, layout, and overall. Then you put details in with the comments.
Definitely think that you should have to comment to be able to vote (but not vice-versa, since sometimes you will need to comment more than once on changes, advice, etc).
Definitely think that you should have to comment to be able to vote (but not vice-versa, since sometimes you will need to comment more than once on changes, advice, etc).
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 09:50:28 UTC
Post #48402
yah, i like that idea. Stars arent cutttin' it.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 13:00:38 UTC
Post #48458
Maybe just three things, construction, layout, and overall.Good idea.
I like the idea of keeping it fairly simple. "Construction" covers the artists' and single-players' interests and "layout" addresses playability.
I've observed that SP maps, in general, have (and should have) more visual and interactive stuff -> construction.
Team maps need less visual stuff (excluding lighting which is more construction anyway) and higher layout scores. [I'm a TFC guy] Too much interactive stuff can detract from team play.
"Overall" can address the balance. A really well textured team map with no playability may drop the overall score below the average of the two first ratings. A well laidout SP map with no visual interest deserves a lower overall.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 13:02:19 UTC
Post #48460
but for that you should need to play test it on a server!
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 15:49:13 UTC
Post #48491
I think the catagories should Architexture, Detail, Layout, Lighting, Overall. Now this is getting complicated, but based on the rating (1-10) of those, if atom could devise some system (for the comp[uter to do) to automatically do a star rating (1-10).
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 16:02:37 UTC
Post #48494
I think it's best to keep things simple.
I think Visuals (construction), Layout (gameplay) and Overall ratings pretty well cover it. In your comment, you can stress specific things you liked or disliked.
I think Visuals (construction), Layout (gameplay) and Overall ratings pretty well cover it. In your comment, you can stress specific things you liked or disliked.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-06 20:08:23 UTC
Post #48593
simple = better.
i like simple things. I bet atom does too. Hes the HTML'er...
i like simple things. I bet atom does too. Hes the HTML'er...
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 09:02:18 UTC
Post #48700
Nah, let's make it reeeally unfair. I say we add about seven new catagories. For instance:
- percentage of submaterialist rationalism
- percentage of internationality
- percentage of constructive neotextuality
- percentage of neodialectic sublimation
- percentage of Lacanist obscurity
- percentage of rubicon in cultural society
- percentage of deconstructivism
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 10:25:06 UTC
Post #48717
Lol
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 10:44:40 UTC
Post #48718
sure... 
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 14:03:11 UTC
Post #48757
I missed alot, but now I'm back, but I saw andy's post about the moderators. Here are the people I would really consider, if we get more, making moderators. These are just the few people I would strongly recomend.
RabidMonkey777
Captain P
MOP
I would say Pepper, but, He really couldn't help out with the spelling and gramatical errors here, as he makes most of them, even more than me.
RabidMonkey777
Captain P
MOP
I would say Pepper, but, He really couldn't help out with the spelling and gramatical errors here, as he makes most of them, even more than me.
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 14:12:07 UTC
Post #48759
i guess i noticed that...
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 14:30:00 UTC
Post #48765
Ahem, arn't I the completely nice and honest guy too? j/k
Posted 20 years ago2004-08-07 14:48:50 UTC
Post #48774
nah...
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