New graphics card is here!
Created 18 years ago2005-09-03 00:56:18 UTC by
Guinea Pirate
Created 18 years ago2005-09-03 00:56:18 UTC by
Guinea Pirate
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 00:56:18 UTC
Post #131936
Ya its only a 9600XT but its a major leap from a 9000. Rest of my build comes next week. Im so excited about it.Ill finally be able to run HL2 on high
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 02:27:40 UTC
Post #131940
Not necessarily well. What spec. is the rest of the system? Similar-age stuff?
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 02:53:50 UTC
Post #131944
1GB of PC4000 RAM, 3.2GHz P4 540J that will be overclocked to around 4GHz if all goes well.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 03:03:46 UTC
Post #131945
Thats is actualy very good. I still need another 256 megs of RAM untill I reach a gig, but it is pretty cheap now. You procesor is good!
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 03:23:02 UTC
Post #131947
Cool it even got air conditioning! 
Just kidding. 
What is that fan anyway? 
Just kidding. What is that fan anyway? 
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 03:48:13 UTC
Post #131950
Mehh, average card. The rest of the system is half decent though. If you wanna hit over 4GHz on air, might I suggest you go for some decent air cooling? Thermalright XP-90 coupled with a high CFM fan is an excellent choice.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 03:50:38 UTC
Post #131953
Shut up m0p, we know you have the best computer and stuff! 
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 03:55:00 UTC
Post #131956
FFS Elon, even for most gamers 9600 is average. It's a fact. Don't be moronic.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 06:03:06 UTC
Post #131996
FFS m0p, let the guy be happy ffs. Don't be moronic.
I think that card will be able to run HL2 quite well (if you go easy on the AA and stuff
)
I think that card will be able to run HL2 quite well (if you go easy on the AA and stuff
)
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 06:13:24 UTC
Post #131997
The poorest part of the system, though. m0p is actually right, a 9600 is probably a little below-average for mid-spec gamers.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 06:17:59 UTC
Post #131998
meh you would laugh if you heard what pc i use 
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 06:33:49 UTC
Post #131999
Mine
I rather would'nt
I rather would'nt
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 06:51:37 UTC
Post #132001
I've got a 9800pro, and I can barely run medium settings.
Shut up m0p, we know you have the best computer and stuff!He was suggesting aircooling. For once I stand wholeheartedly behind m0px.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 06:59:46 UTC
Post #132004
Heh I'm not gonna go and recommend LN2 to just anyone. 
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 07:21:09 UTC
Post #132011
I've got a 9800pro, and I can barely run medium settings.I have the same card and i run on high with no problems, without AA of course, i know it's limits
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 07:22:51 UTC
Post #132014
on a 9800XT, HL2 is fully playable with everything @ max with 2x aa and af. performance should be similar on 9800pro.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 07:47:44 UTC
Post #132017
<spoiler type="hl2" audience="veryslowplayers">
I challenge anyone with a 9800 who runs above 640x480 and with settings on High to tell me that the Strider-busting roof scenes didn't lag at all.
</spoiler>
I challenge anyone with a 9800 who runs above 640x480 and with settings on High to tell me that the Strider-busting roof scenes didn't lag at all.
</spoiler>
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 07:50:58 UTC
Post #132019
I cant remeber that scene. Proberly because my PC crashed
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 09:05:57 UTC
Post #132023
Nope no lag at all. Settings:
Texes: High/AF 2x
Shaders: High
Models: High
Reflections: Reflect All
Res: 1024x768
AA: 2x
This is with a 9800XT at 460/420(840).
Texes: High/AF 2x
Shaders: High
Models: High
Reflections: Reflect All
Res: 1024x768
AA: 2x
This is with a 9800XT at 460/420(840).
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 09:21:23 UTC
Post #132028
Well, I think the standard Pro speeds are 380/338; quite a bit lower.
I managed to get mine up to XT speeds, but it didn't seem to make any difference to the Source benchmarking. To be honest, clocking my Athlon 2400+'s FSB from 266MHz to 333MHz and lowering the multiplier, thereby raising the CPU freq. from 2.0 to 2.3GHz, didn't make much difference either. What do you reckon might be a bottleneck? They made a little difference at low resolutions, but very little else.
I managed to get mine up to XT speeds, but it didn't seem to make any difference to the Source benchmarking. To be honest, clocking my Athlon 2400+'s FSB from 266MHz to 333MHz and lowering the multiplier, thereby raising the CPU freq. from 2.0 to 2.3GHz, didn't make much difference either. What do you reckon might be a bottleneck? They made a little difference at low resolutions, but very little else.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 09:27:41 UTC
Post #132032
Blab.
I've got xp2700+ 2,2ghz , 1024ram, 6600GT 500/900 @ 570/1000 and HL2 works 'fine' (40fps+) @ High (No AA & AF - If I remember right)
I've got xp2700+ 2,2ghz , 1024ram, 6600GT 500/900 @ 570/1000 and HL2 works 'fine' (40fps+) @ High (No AA & AF - If I remember right)
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 09:44:45 UTC
Post #132037
Just got a new PC myself.
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice, GeForce 6600 GT 128MB PCI-E and 1024MB DDR400.
It's sweet.
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice, GeForce 6600 GT 128MB PCI-E and 1024MB DDR400.
It's sweet.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 10:21:10 UTC
Post #132049
Seventh, the reason it doesn't make any difference is because the XT has a beefed up core as well as faster clocks. XT is r360, and Pro is r350. The XT has a bit extra onchip cache, as well as faster memory (faster timings).
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 12:09:01 UTC
Post #132093
Ah, I didn't know that it had extra cache. I've got an R360 core, though; are there variants of R360 too?
jaardsi: I'm gunna have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice (pwned), a GeForce 6800GT 256MB AGP (pwned), and 1024MiB DDR400 (uh, okay, tie there) ;>. ?808.46 ? going to be sometime after Christmas, fingers crossed.
jaardsi: I'm gunna have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ Venice (pwned), a GeForce 6800GT 256MB AGP (pwned), and 1024MiB DDR400 (uh, okay, tie there) ;>. ?808.46 ? going to be sometime after Christmas, fingers crossed.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 12:18:10 UTC
Post #132097
GeForce 6800GT 256MB AGPsnicker
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 12:26:39 UTC
Post #132099
A 9600XT is the best I can afford right now. Got it for $70 (including shipping) so it was a bargain. Its not the best but anything is better than my Dell with its ancient 9000. Once I get the money Ill be upgrading to a X850XT. Or actually I might get the X800GT since they are only around $150 and have either the X800XT or X850XT core. If Im lucky I could unlock to whichever one I happen to get.
Dont worry about the cooling m0p, I got that monsterous block of copper known as the Tower112.
Dont worry about the cooling m0p, I got that monsterous block of copper known as the Tower112.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 12:51:16 UTC
Post #132101
snickerI might go for a PCI-E if I don't stagger the upgrades. Aren't the PCI-E 6800s bridged, anyway?
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 13:07:59 UTC
Post #132103
As a bus, there is no speed advantage of PCI-E. There is only a tiny difference in speed between AGP 4x and 8x on the ATi X850 and the nVidia 6800Ultra, showing that carrds have only really just saturated AGP 4x. The only consumer advantage of PCI-E is motherboards that support crossfire and sli.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 21:52:22 UTC
Post #132243
Pfft. You all act like the 9600XT is crap. I got one and I run HL2 on high settings. But maybe thats cause I have it overclocked. HrnyGoat you should replace that crappy stock heatsink with a Zalman VF700Cu. Then you can really OC it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 22:35:19 UTC
Post #132246
PCI-E is the way to go.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-03 23:26:14 UTC
Post #132251
PCI-E is the way to go.No its not. PCIe is a total waste of money unless you are getting CrossFire or SLI. PCIe and AGP perform the exact same in benchmarks.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 04:34:57 UTC
Post #132269
A 9600XT is mediocre, I'd say. I definitely do recommend a Zalman heatsink for that, though, having one myself too :).
Cards which are natively AGP which are ported to PCI-E will perform slightly less well as PCI-E cards, but I imagine most in the future will be the other way 'round, built for PCI-E and bridged to AGP, meaning a minor performance hit.
Cards which are natively AGP which are ported to PCI-E will perform slightly less well as PCI-E cards, but I imagine most in the future will be the other way 'round, built for PCI-E and bridged to AGP, meaning a minor performance hit.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 05:12:32 UTC
Post #132271
If you're buying a new computer, going for PCI-E is worth it even just for upgradeability's sake.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 05:49:40 UTC
Post #132272
jaardsi, that's BS. Just buy a P-M 780, and an Asus CT-479+P4C800-E and an ATi R520 (when they are released). Overclock the P-M (good ones hit 2.7GHz on stock cooling, and make sure you set multi low so you can run your RAM at higher speeds). That setup will beat any AMD64 setup to death. If you don't believe me, read benches. There is alot of life left in Intel i875P/AGP/Socket478 thanks to Asus's P-M socket adapter. AMD64 is a huge hack. It's not even "true" 64-bit processing.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 10:06:10 UTC
Post #132329
I kinda missed your point there, what has that got to do with PCI-E?
You weird, weird man...
You weird, weird man...
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 10:28:39 UTC
Post #132332
It's describing why AGP still has life left in it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 11:07:29 UTC
Post #132339
whats that equivelent too for nvidia?
Im getting a 3ghz and a 6800 in the winter a little upgrade from 2ghz with 6600GT.
Next one will be a 4ghz (thatll be out by then ) 2gb of dual channel ram, 7800GTX
Im getting a 3ghz and a 6800 in the winter
a little upgrade from 2ghz with 6600GT.Next one will be a 4ghz (thatll be out by then
) 2gb of dual channel ram, 7800GTX
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 11:57:31 UTC
Post #132353
It's a bit early to be planning that far ahead, you know.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 12:21:00 UTC
Post #132359
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Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 13:27:20 UTC
Post #132371
Is less advanced discussion tolerated there? ;0
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-04 13:57:00 UTC
Post #132373
Yeah should be.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-05 12:02:21 UTC
Post #132516
m0p what ever happend to you getting a X900? did that ever happen, or are you still on a waiting list?
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-05 19:16:44 UTC
Post #132612
X900 isnt out yet :
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-05 20:01:46 UTC
Post #132613
m0p said he was going to get to test a prerelese version
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-05 21:13:29 UTC
Post #132619
Got a very very early sample ages ago and had to send it back. It died on me after a week.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-06 00:44:39 UTC
Post #132636
what happend before it died?
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-06 01:19:59 UTC
Post #132642
Power regulation components failed. I am under an NDA and can't release anything detailed about the card.
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-06 13:31:38 UTC
Post #132764
is saying it was better or worse then your expectaions under the NDA?
Posted 18 years ago2005-09-07 01:06:25 UTC
Post #132867
I won't give out any details, but it was a nice card. I can't compare it to a 7800GTX since I haven't used one yet, but it's still alot faster than an X850XTPE.
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