The world today Created 19 years ago2005-10-31 17:53:43 UTC by 38_98

in order to obtain peace and a stable world, humanity has to be willing to make a temporary sacrifice.

Mop,

um...  so you honestly believe America is going to destroy the world with a weather controlling device?

Hmm... The implimentation of a "Death Ray" could come in handy at times... In warfare, one side would not send in troops for man to man combat, but instead fry them from the sky... Of course this would be misused when in the wrong hands, wherever those may be.

Well, I am not so much afraid of the end of the world but the purpose of it being lost. Countries spend billions on weapons they don't need instead of actually spending them on things that could change the world. Greed and manipulation will always be stronger than good will and morality, no matter what american movies tells us.

I agree,
although your point is based upon an understanding of what the "purpose if the world" is, and what "changing the world" means... It all depends on individual goal, although that would be putting it egotistically...

I do understand that you do not believe in "divinity", although I believe that the real purpose of our world lies with that... some form of divine superiority...

yes, I know, sounds ridiculous, but as I have studied and learned more and more about these entites of our world, I began to realise what they actually meant... and how true they actually are...

no, Im not one of those people who say that every religion is correct...

If so for example:

In the Christian Religion, when you die and you are bad, you go to hell.

In the Hindu Religion, when you die and you are bad, you are reincarnated.

If both are true, what does this say about our world???



yes, I believe that people are focusing more on pointless things...

although, if a governmental body where to ignore defence, they would easily be taken over by Greed and Manipulation...

I believe that Capitalism is a horrible method of government, but its the best there is so far...

yes, I did steal that from Winston Churchill in a way.......

okay...

I'll stop my little speech and go to bed...

Here i got one:

All of these people fucking complaining about how the world sucks and we are gonna die, well heres the thing, if you fucking care so much, get your lazy ass off of your computer and do something. Do anything other than be a lazy ass and complain.

God, you guys remind me of my fat ass english taacher.

No one's complaining about how the world sucks, more like stating it as a fact. Also, humans can in general do little to stop the worlds end or whatever, dying is still the biggest part you can put in.

BL: I just think religion is
a) A way for humans to relieve (Word? Relief?) themselves of the burden of knowing that their life is in their hands. It's just a way of saying "oh fuck, this life sucks. Oh well, heaven, yay.".
b) A way for leaders to control their population.

But lets not turn this into a religious arguement. Point is: Religion has nothing to do with the end of the world. Lets hope so, anyway.

All of these people fucking complaining about how the world sucks and we are gonna die, well heres the thing, if you fucking care so much, get your lazy ass off of your computer and do something. Do anything other than be a lazy ass and complain.

and how would people do that? Its not like politicians give a fuck about the public (to some extent)

i don't really have much to say on religion execpt that they're all crazy people

A way for humans to relieve (Word? Relief?) themselves of the burden of knowing that their life is in their hands. It's just a way of saying "oh fuck, this life sucks. Oh well, heaven, yay.".

That explains why there was a lot of more religious people in the past.
You could suddenly die, and life was in general not very long, so people had to believe that there was somekind of heaven after death to keep the spirit up.

The US has more then 14,000 nukes...

[lecture]If anything is likely to kill us, it is war of some sort. I would say that nuclear war is probably low on the list, with Mr. Bush, the "nuclear nazi". But look at the current war in Iraq. It has accomplished nothing. Oh, wait, yes it did, we killed saddam. No, we just threw him in jail. And now we are trying to rebuild. Any idiot who watches the news can clearly see that there are a lot of people in Iraq who just want us to get the fuck out of their country and let them do their thing. Now I can understand Bush's original point of view, that Saddam could have been a threat to the US, and therefore to other countries as well. (think hitler) However, the "war on terror" cannot work. As long as people have freedom, they will use that freedom in whatever way they please (for example, for unprovoked violence, or provoked violence, for that matter.) And they will fight for that freedom like the original colonists in the US did with England in the revolutionary war. What Bush is trying to do is impossible. People like him will be the end of the human race.[/lecture]

Support the troops, but not the war. And for those of you who didn't know or couldn't figure it out, I do live in the US, and will be voting for a somewhat better president at the next elections.

Well said fragmeister, you're 100% right

Hmm... The implimentation of a "Death Ray" could come in handy at times... In warfare, one side would not send in troops for man to man combat, but instead fry them from the sky... Of course this would be misused when in the wrong hands, wherever those may be.

Whats the need for Tesla's Death Ray if you have an H-Bomb!

All of these people fucking complaining about how the world sucks and we are gonna die, well heres the thing, if you fucking care so much, get your lazy ass off of your computer and do something. Do anything other than be a lazy ass and complain.

um... Im not complaining about anything.

And by the way, I do do things to improve the world... Don't be too quick to judge...

A way for humans to relieve (Word? Relief?) themselves of the burden of knowing that their life is in their hands. It's just a way of saying "oh fuck, this life sucks. Oh well, heaven, yay.".

This may be true for some individuals, although it is generally believed by religious people that our life is in our hands, and that God has sort of "loaned" us this body. Life is a gift. It has been trusted to us... which is why I am not fond of "suicide".

A way for leaders to control their population.

heh, I'd like to hear your reasoning for that

i don't really have much to say on religion execpt that they're all crazy people

How old are you?

Support the troops, but not the war. And for those of you who didn't know or couldn't figure it out, I do live in the US, and will be voting for a somewhat better president at the next elections.

ahem...

The War in Iraq was origionally started because of a defence issue. It was known by the UN that Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction. I personally believe that they did have WMD. Think of how easy it is to smuggle these weapons out, and how much time Saddam had to do it... Just because we did not find them doesn't mean they do not exist... Also, Saddam had obvious ties to Osama Bin Laden...

Okay...

I cannot see how this war can be viewed as having solely bad results... Yes, people died... This is obviously bad... All war is bad, but that doesn't mean that there is nothing good out of it.

Sadam obviously was a "bad" person... He torture his people, tested his own chemical weapons on his own people, ruled as a dictator, refused to acknowledge UN rules, and tried to lie when question about them.

Well, guess what? We got em', hiding in a hole.

The government of Iraq is developing... It is becoming a more free nation, run by the people, which is obviously the whole concept of democracy. I cannot see how you would not support a government by the people, run by the people, decided by the people, in order to create equality for all, and protect their human rights...

oh, and Fragmeister...

The colonists of America did not fly planes into buildings, killing thousands of innocent lives... They did not explode themselves on a bus full of innocent people, just trying to get along in life. They stood up for their freedom. They did not conduct their acts out of hatred and cowerdice. They Stood up before the colonial rule of Britian, proudly. They even signed with their name a document that meant for them certain incrimination.

Terrorists are different.

You cannot argue for terror...

Terrorism is killing the innocent out of hatred, and cowerding in the shadows.

refused to acknowledge UN

Oh right, and america never does that ;).

I cannot see how you would not support a government by the people, run by the people, decided by the people, in order to create equality for all, and protect their human rights...

I for one, believe that the war in Iraq hasn't and won't bring the same level of democracy to the people in Iraq that we see in western countries. It's a ploy to actually get a reason for invading.

It was known by the UN that Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction

That's not quite how I remember it. The UN advised the US not to attack, and had no proof of existant WMDs.

Think of how easy it is to smuggle these weapons out

Yes, it's easy to smuggle weapons out. But it's not quite as easy to clean up all evidence of the creation of WMDs. Disposing of hundreds of weapons factories in a matter of weeks or months isn't as easy as smuggling a couple of missiles out.

Also, Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein had as many "ties" as the Bush administration did with him.

Terrorism is killing the innocent out of hatred, and cowerding in the shadows.

I believe terrorism is a way for people to get attention to certain matter. Of course, a certain level of hatred and belief is required to blow oneself up, but the original "reasons" are almost never out of pure "I hate [insert country]".

One could even say that the 'rebels' in Iraq today, fighting american troops, are fighting for their freedom. They have an invading force in their country, and they want it out. Is it so different from fighting Brittish colonists in the 17th century?

Edit: This is what makes forums great - fashioned political discussions. Don't you dare delete this thread.

One could even say that the 'rebels' in Iraq today, fighting american troops, are fighting for their freedom.

Thats exactly what i think of this situation currently. Americans have set up Iraq's government now, countries have donated supplys and such. Yet they still stay, not realising that these bombings are because they're trying to force them out.

There was one recently bombing in baghdad (probably wrong city, not sure) on a hotel full of journalists, one good way to get attention.

cannot see how you would not support a government by the people, run by the people, decided by the people, in order to create equality for all, and protect their human rights...

What? If anything the coalition forces in Iraq are opressing the government there. They say they're there to stop terrorism. But i bet if they just left the country it would stop.

I wouldn't say it was very much different from the American revolution, its just that the tactics have changed. People have found more effective way to get they're point across.

You know, if the American's didn't decide to become world police and just leave it to the UN i bet thats things lke 9/11 would have happen...

But then maybe they could've anyway, who knows..

How old are you?

hahaha..

Lemme guess, you worship some religion and is offended, well im sorry if that is the case then.

What? If anything the coalition forces in Iraq are opressing the government there. They say they're there to stop terrorism. But i bet if they just left the country it would stop.

opressing the government in Iraq...

Iraq was a dictatorship, where one man had absolute power, and used it in ways that were contrary to UN regulations and obvious morality (Using his own chemical weapons on a small town in Iraq, just to test their effect)

After Saddam was captured, there really wasn't a government in Iraq, so the troops there (Which are from various countries, but primariry the US), stayed there in order to keep peace until they had established an effective form of government. The Rebels there will eventually die down, but we will probably always have troops stationed there, which is a good idea in case some other opressive governmental body takes over.

Our troops are there to keep the peace now, and to help Iraq become its own country, a free one.

they say they're there to stop terrorism.

no...

But i bet if they just left the country it would stop.

It might, but this is not the kind of thing to take chances on...

Lemme guess, you worship some religion and is offended, well im sorry if that is the case then.

naw... just that your statement seemed to have no thought process behind it, as if you were a young kid just spitting out information that was told to him...

so the troops there (Which are from various countries, but primariry the US), stayed there in order to keep peace until they had established an effective form of government.

But they have established a government. They've got a president now (which was about 4,5 maybe 6 months ago) Which is probably more then enough time to establish some form of government.

But hey, there still there. Which just means more deaths...

And i don't know how many times i've seen it on the news that citizens of Iraq plea for the coalition to leave.

So much for keeping the peace huh?

naw... just that your statement seemed to have no thought process behind it, as if you were a young kid just spitting out information that was told to him...

hehehe

No, i just don't see that point in worshipping something that doesn't exist. Which i guess is kinda crazy

The Rebels there will eventually die down

I doubt that. A country with an invading force occupying it will never be at rest. Also, the appointed government by the yanks will surely sign one or two very profitable oil contracts for the carlyle group, if you know what I mean. That's, after all, what the war was all about.

I've got to agree with luke but who cares it's sometimes fun to talk about these things!

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Oil....Thats all the Americans seem to care about...(or at least, its government)

You cannot argue for terror...

Did I do that? If you got that out of my post, then I'm sorry, I must have been a little unclear.

Anyway, I don't mind the part of this war where bush goes and takes out an evil dictator. But although rebuilding the country seems to be a good idea, and a nice gesture, it is fairly obvious that some people don't want it to happen. Maybe I'm just not keeping up with the news enough, but it seems to me that we are not accomplishing anything at the moment. It also seems that the "war on terror" has been delayed until after the "rebuilding Iraq." Correct me if i'm wrong, but even if Bush could run for another term, he probably would not be elected. Again.

Invading Iraq had nothing to do with the so-called war on terror.

Okey get ready...

For the Iraq invasion:
US did not have the right to attack Iraq according to the UN.
And how do you think other pepol in other countries reacts to that and feel about the UN and the US?
Now then they did (personally i think it was right about time to get that saddam asshole) They did almost everything wrong. For exemple They used way to many bombs and they did it in the wrong places. They are taking way to much time to get the hell out of the country. They didnt do shit about making the arabic countrys "feel" better of them(wich is contrary to what saddam did )*. The rebuilding of the goverment was badly handled.

• Saddam rode on a horse trough the capital to show that he knew that he was going to lose and that big time. Adn this is a weary symbolic thing to do according to thier religion.

And for the energy issue:
The best and the cleanest energy right now is nuclear power. But only if they have good security and handels the radioactiv waste and dont use the same type of reactor that they did in tyernobyl. The harrison incident cannot happen again becose of a new type of ventile.

sry for bad spelling and grammar...

The world today

It basicly sucks.
Some people chose war insted of peace, some people kill to make money and some people let other people die and suffer to get there hands on some of that money. Capitalism ruin our minds and change our thouhgts about other people and there rights to be who they want to be. Little by little we kill our planet everyday and we won?t stop untill we die and take our planet with us.

The biggest problems with the world today is the need of money, oil and why we always let assholes be in charge of everything.

the best thing to do is probably to destroy everything we have and go back to the primitive we once came from, but that would suck, at lest for us, but our children wouldn?t know what we know and they wouldn?t be bothered that there is no computers, TV, fast food and so on. But thats never going to happen.

the world today provokes addictions.

HL

Capitalism promotes developement. It's a bit sad that some people need it, but it does work a lot better than, well, anything else we've tried.

Oh Karl the world isn't fair
It isn't and never will be
They tried out your plan
It brought misery instead
If you'd seen how they worked it
You'd be glad you were dead
Just like I'm glad I'm living in the land of the free
Where the rich just get richer
And the poor you don't ever have to see
It would depress us, Karl
Because we care
That the world still isn't fair

• "The World Isn't Fair", by Randy Newman. Great lyrics, if not massively on-topic.

If only machines could do as much as communists hoped during the industrial revolution-ish period.

in order to obtain peace and a stable world, humanity has to be willing to make a temporary sacrifice.

[quote] Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty.

[i]Benjamin Franklin[/i][/quote]

Great quote.

The Senate has passed legislation banning torture, but the Bush administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA spy agency.

"We do not torture and therefore we're working with Congress to make sure that as we go forward, we make it more possible to do our job," Mr Bush said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4415132.stm

On a similar note, since I don't believe anyone's posted it before: Shame on you America.

Invading Iraq had nothing to do with the so-called war on terror.

Thank you for clearing that up
Kinda obvious though...

Zl... Good job... I've lost all respect for Ben...

I'll just throw out those pennies I've been saving...
To be honest, he wanted to make our national bird the turkey, rather than the eagle...

Obviously a Liberal, and a very brilliant man.

Not saying that one does or does not have relevance to the other... Everything is relevant.

this topic is depressing

the horror of truth.. the horror.