Dunce Americans Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by satchmo satchmo

Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by satchmo satchmo

Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 15:27:46 UTC Post #178248
If I were you I'd rather just shoot him... Just kidding ;)

This thread has turned into a Usenet kind of conversation, don't you feel so? After discussing big-bad-americans went trough gays and now you're at religion I just don't see what else can be discussed... Interestign that only topics that might yeld flames seem to attract your attention :nuts:

800 replies adn over 7000 views is like... huge! Maybe you should lay off for a while, atleast until you come up with a fresh topic (or one that hasn't been argued about for more than two months ;) )
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 15:52:57 UTC Post #178250
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 15:58:50 UTC Post #178251
About Walmart, and any huge, multinational corporation really, I just don't trust them at that size, because there're so many things influencing the decisions they make - and they're influencing a lot of people. Not only the profit of the original store-owner, but thousands of shareholders who all want their say. And when it starts moving into politics, potentially harming small-time businesses and the environment, it's going too far.

And Orpheus, jeez, change the white to black in your avatar ;) . By the way, I'm assuming PFL = PrefabLand?
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 16:25:29 UTC Post #178253
Killbox maps are fun when you play with least difficulty bots and are bored. I've had lots of fun with one of those...

Huge corps are evil by default, because the only way to get big nowadays is if you cheat. And when I say cheat, I mean bribe authorities to avoid sanction or to win a large deal without public competiotion and all the like. Global corporations actually could do alot good simply because they run the world and have nearly limitless powers, but why would they bother help? Actually when the average human doesn't bother what happens to this world why would the big players give a shit...

Simply put, the human race has become way too ignorant and is about to be taught a hard lesson in existence... the hard way.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 16:31:11 UTC Post #178254
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:07:18 UTC Post #178262
People still make prefabs? Most prefabs are poorly optimized, and filled with errors. Prefabs are so old. Prefabs are for people who can't model!
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:13:56 UTC Post #178265
YES THAT IS A GOOD FACT THANKS

PFL managed to collect some 4000 prefabs in its time, some of them were quite impressive. Prefabbing may seem the work of the lazy mapper, but if you can learn something from someone elses work its no different to open source coding.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:28:35 UTC Post #178267
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:33:35 UTC Post #178270
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:44:04 UTC Post #178272
dipshit? I dont think you need to call me names....

Prefabs are just brushwork. Easy to make and simple to consider good because of its simple form and square construction. Using pre-fabs are for lazy HL1 mappers!

Models are much more complex and can have much more detail. Prefabs are usually made with floating points, invalid solids, etc etc....

Yes it does take some innovation to make prefabs, but they really arnt something to brag about. Most are too expensive to use anyway.

Prefabs, lol!
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:47:23 UTC Post #178275
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:54:34 UTC Post #178277
xyos holy hell you really do love sweeping statements dont you, this may suprise you but just because your experience of a few parts of something is one way, the rest of it is not necessarily that way as well!
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 17:57:10 UTC Post #178279
LOL Orpheus you sure take your pre-fabbing for HL1 seriously.

I was only trying to entice argument. Seems like your the only one who cares about Prefabs.

BTW usually when someone mentions prefabs, in a mapping sense its refrencing brushwork of objects to be shared or used over again.

Meh, I really dont feel like arguing about such an archaic form of mapping anymore.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 18:15:06 UTC Post #178284
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 18:23:19 UTC Post #178285
In a lot of cases making stuff for PFL was 'look what I can do' rather than 'heres a bunch of shelves you can use'
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 18:29:30 UTC Post #178288
Is this the site you post your prefabs on?

http://www.planethalflife.com/prefablab/

When I was still mapping for HL1 I made a fun map with prefabs from that site. They had so many errors that it was annoying. Ive just had bad experince with them.....

I dont try to win arguments I just like arguing. Its fun.

What do you mean by "modern prefabs"? Do you have any reference linkage I can take a look at?
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 18:32:27 UTC Post #178289
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 18:49:29 UTC Post #178294
Walmart is pure evil. Like 90% of the stuff they sell is made in sweatshops in China. And they build them everywhere. Weve got like 20 of them here in Phoenix. And theyre all filled with creepy people that stare at you and look like child molesters.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-03 19:14:29 UTC Post #178298
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 02:00:43 UTC Post #178329
Jobabob, Natural selection and religion are just fine together. In fact we see it all the time in the bible. People like the Babylonians get killed off because the Persians were just stronger, and superior. And if you beleive in the laws of natural selection so much, then what's the deal with you disagreeing with me last time we talked about it (and homosexuality.)

Orph, I have a list of things that is worth getting riled up about, it's very small. Gays really aren't that big an issue with me. The only reason I made such a big thing out if it THIS time is because Satchmo said that anyone who doesn't tolerate homosexuality is just like Nazis/murderers. Which is more closed-minded than anything I've said.

You know, at least with Atheism, you are not afraid of a commitment. Either there IS a god or there ISN'T. If you're agnostic, you're just pretty much saying "There MIGHT be a god, but he is an idea, or he is in everything. Pretty much I want an excuse to do whatever the F i want AND sound all smart and philosophical at the same time." That is the biggest crock. At least atheists have some balls to 'em.

Also, I think that atheism takes more faith to believe than Christianity. With Christianity, we beleive in SOMETHING. With atheism, you must beleive in the concept of NOTHING. and there is no such thing as NOTHING. Nothing doesn't exist and has never been sighted, never ben proven. so how do you vouch for your beleif in Nothing?
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 02:37:31 UTC Post #178333
Jobabob, Natural selection and religion are just fine together. In fact we see it all the time in the bible. People like the Babylonians get killed off because the Persians were just stronger, and superior.
Thats not natural selection, survival of the fittest is according to circumstances, you dont get entire species of birds eaten by mass armies of cats
And if you beleive in the laws of natural selection so much, then what's the deal with you disagreeing with me last time we talked about it (and homosexuality.)
I understand they form the principle of modern biology but I also have some crazy human emotion that makes me think that having sex with children is wrong in some way.
The only reason I made such a big thing out if it THIS time is because Satchmo said that anyone who doesn't tolerate homosexuality is just like Nazis/murderers. Which is more closed-minded than anything I've said.
If everyone did such an inane rebuttal everytime someone used the N word debates would never go anywhere, also the Daily Mail would cease to function
You know, at least with Atheism, you are not afraid of a commitment. Either there IS a god or there ISN'T. If you're agnostic, you're just pretty much saying "There MIGHT be a god, but he is an idea, or he is in everything.
Agnostic means that you cant prove either way, which is true, I just choose not to believe in the supernatural until I see evidance to the contrary
Also, I think that atheism takes more faith to believe than Christianity. With Christianity, we beleive in SOMETHING. With atheism, you must beleive in the concept of NOTHING.
Its as if someone invented heaven to stop us all worrying about our own mortality so much
and there is no such thing as NOTHING.Nothing doesn't exist and has never been sighted, never ben proven. so how do you vouch for your beleif in Nothing?
Believing in nothing is easy, before you were born you were nothing, hence when you die you will be nothing again and you wont care about it because you wont be able to care. The concept of nothing is a fundamental mathematical principle, it was romans/christians that stopped it from coming about till the 1400's though.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:10:22 UTC Post #178336
Jobabob, Natural selection and religion are just fine together. In fact we see it all the time in the bible. People like the Babylonians get killed off because the Persians were just stronger, and superior.
Thats not natural selection, survival of the fittest is according to circumstances, you dont get entire species of birds eaten by mass armies of cats
How isn't it natural selection? A wingless bird will get eaten more easily than a winged bird, i.e. the wingless birds will die out while the winged birds don't.

And what's with liberals going "yay survival of the fittest" and "yay welfare"? If people can't pull their own weight, why should anyone else pull it for them? THAT's why the human race is a cancer upon the world, because society tends to care about people that have no benefit to society. A life sentence for some random prisoner means that the taxpayer gets to pay for their food/health care/prison maintenance for the rest of their life, even though the prisoner isn't getting out, ever. The death penalty saves oodles of money and is arguably more humane than going through 40-60 years of jail rape.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:10:46 UTC Post #178338
Allow me to reiterate. If you do not like Wal-Mart, boycott it.
There isn't a special entrance for those people who don't particularly want to shop there after all.

I hate to break this to you, but there isn't a retail chain store anyplace in the States that doesn't import their goods.

My advice, either move to Missouri and become an Amish who make all their own needs, or get over it.
Walmart sucks. There are stupid people in America and every one of them shops there.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:12:32 UTC Post #178339
Its as if someone invented heaven to stop us all worrying about our own mortality so much
Surely you're not saying religion is mainly a shield for cowards afraid to consider death?
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:13:27 UTC Post #178341
Hugh said:
I watched the matrix 500 times
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:17:04 UTC Post #178342
Of course, that movie originated the theory that there's an overpopulation/overconsumption problem.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:22:04 UTC Post #178345
And what's with liberals going "yay survival of the fittest" and "yay welfare"?
Your political parties bring Darwin into their decision-making? Sounds like borderline eugenics.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 03:30:40 UTC Post #178347
No, they don't bring up Darwin at all, but they're definitely not creationists and generally are evolutionists. I'm just curious as to why the government feels the necessity to spend resources on non-productive malcontents. I wouldn't say it's borderline eugenics unless the government spends resources on healthy, productive people... which it doesn't.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 04:09:27 UTC Post #178348
the weak and the poor should be eliminated from society
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 04:18:45 UTC Post #178350
They should just get rid of welfare. It makes people lazy and not want to work. And if they dont want to work then let them starve to death.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 05:39:20 UTC Post #178352
Hahahahahahahaha.

I swear you claim to be christian?

Dammit, don't have time to post a proper response now ? off to college ? but I will do later. Rest peacefully in the knowledge that you're wrong ;).
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 06:27:25 UTC Post #178353
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 08:51:48 UTC Post #178359
Hey Hugh why dont you go READ some philosophy books like "The Republic" for instance instead of basing your half-ass beliefs from a FUCKIN MOVIE! I guess whatever Agent Smith says is right, correct? The Matrix only goes into minor detail of the philosophy behind it.....

Hugh: Execution of any man I believe is wrong. Who are we to choose if a person lives or dies? No matter what they do we dont have any right.

To solve the problem with overcrowding in prisons and money for them:

Have all the prisoners work for FREE! Not get paid. There in jail... They do construction, pick fruit, harvest, any task needed to be done. Currently all they do is make license plates. This will give to the economy and provide income for more housing for them.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 10:34:02 UTC Post #178376
surely the point of giving prisoners a wage is to a) allow them to be able to support themselves when 'rehabilitated' and b) to encourage them to do said work without having to resort to 'forcing' them
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 11:05:13 UTC Post #178380
joba, they are in prison. We already force them to do other things. Why not my idea? Anyway whatever they do as a job in prison will be a good skill to learn when released. They dont deserve money joba, they are in prison.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 11:12:04 UTC Post #178382
Xyos: I've read more philosophy books than I've wanted to, and have written papers on all of them. After filling my head with Nietzsche's crap and freud's problems, I've figured out that reading other people's philosophies on life don't give you your OWN philosophy. Just because you may have read someone else's philosophy doesn't mean that you can negate Hugh's just because he's come up with his by himself. If anyone deserves to be put down, it's you. You will only take what you read in The Republic and The Birth of Tragedy and regurgitate it without quotes to sound smart. How is a movie any less credible than a book, when it comes to basing your philosophies from them? Because plato's was written a long time ago, it is automatically extremely credible? This works out fine until you tell me that the bible is NOT credible because it's old. Hypocrite.

Seventh-Monkey: if everyone did things the Christian way, The sick and old would be taken care of by THEIR FAMILIES, and the rest of them would not be committing the sin of Sloth. Yes, I'm talking to YOU, Black ppl who wear Hilfiger and can't afford food / New Orleans.

Jobabob: Prisoners have a "Debt to society" and we need to pay them? They have a DEBT to work off, that is why they need to work for free. And, you actually DO see birds being eliminated by massive groups of other animals. Take that one Hawaiian bird for instance: snakes came to the island and killed the birds within like 3 years. Africanized bees are killing regular bees (again, african agression) wherever they go, and they are moving northward.

Orpheus: I don't need to insult Satchmo to lessen his credibility. I just need to make sure that people know the reasons behind why I feel the way I do. Most people can't understand some complex things though. Satchmo is just a bit... bleeding-heart. After all he's a kid doctor: fixin up scrapes and owwie boo-boos and all that crap.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 12:00:46 UTC Post #178393
that isnt natural selection, natural selection is due to elements of a species being more compatible with their environment because of random but beneficial genetic mutation

stop using terms like 'debt to society' and 'survival of the fittest' when they dont literally mean that, surely if a prisoner is rehabilitated and thrown into the deepend with no money, no home, no nothing (omg define nothing!1) they are just as likely to re-offend than before?
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 12:26:26 UTC Post #178398
Has civilization really come this far with people still arguing pro facism? Honestly.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 12:44:42 UTC Post #178401
Its PC gone mad I tell thee, we are no worse than Nazi Germany, what with Blairs new sudetenland policies
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 13:04:37 UTC Post #178402
Loffe, for you "Fascism" = anything that disagres with your commie bullcrap.

So "survival of the fittest" and "debt to society" are not terms to be taken literally? I'm glad you understand this concept of taking things fuguratively or metaphorically. I was beginning to think that you didn't understand this when you were quoting certian bible verses that sound ludicrous when taken literally.

We can't support people just because they commit crimes. They would not have been IN prison if they had not offended the first time, so why should society have to pay for them? Any poor person could just go to jail and get 3 square meals a day and do nothing but watch TV and get paid for making license plates. let them do something useful, let them give back to the society that they took from (is that better that "debt to society?")
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 13:18:15 UTC Post #178406
So people who've gone to jail for minor crimes should never have a chance to re-establish themselves into society? I mean, if you go to prison with virtually nothing to begin with, without the chance to get enough to live by when you get out, you will surely resort to more criminality.

And as for this "all weak people should die"-attitude that you're clearly supporting, it's pretty fascistic if you ask me. We'd have to scrap the idea that every person is worth an equal amount.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 13:40:59 UTC Post #178416
I don't think that "all weak people should die" I think that all weak people should learn to be stronger instead of being babied by a society that rewards thier weakness by giving them free money.

People accused of minor crimes do not go to jail for very long. And their employers have to give them their jobs back if their prison term is of a certain length and a few other stipulations. Plus, they don't take all your stuff when you go to jail.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 14:47:28 UTC Post #178423
Instead of talking about Gays, you should have concentrated on Satchmos shortfalls. That always shuts him up. Its easy to defend someone else, but much harder to defend yourself. Attach him, not his ideals. He'll shut up I promise.
We're looking for discussion here, not a flame war. I wish I could remember what it was called when you try and argue a point by attacking the character of the opposition.

Right, on with the comeback to you maniacs wanting to abandon the poor.

Ignoring all the idealistic "everyone will be charitable to one another :) :) :) happy bunnies" crap, which is the basis for welfare anyway, just less realistic, let's see what would be likely to happen to somebody, say, born to a family in poverty.

They might grow up into a life of crime. It requires no education or foundations to become a mugger or a burglar. That's a rewarding path for the individual and society, eh? Many women will be reduced to prostitution, as always. Great stuff, what? Well, we could always just wait for them to starve, I suppose, or gas them, or confine them to ghettos. Bring out the death penalty for all crimes?

Oh, but that won't happen, because their equally-poor family will all magically be able to support them, right?

As for the disabled. Let's take an example. He's rather famous, actually, and is very highly regarded internationally across the large majority of society.
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Ohhhh, but he's disabled, so surely he's of less use to society than "normal people"?

So welfare systems aren't perfect, and people lie and steal from them. The world isn't perfect. Get off your bizarre isolationist utopian cloud and pay attention to the real world.

Q.E.D., pigfuckers.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 16:21:10 UTC Post #178434
attacking someone's character instead of their argument is called "Mudslinging."

I don't know what QED is and I don't even EAT pigs. But Claiming that "that's just the way it is" is not good enough. some things CAN change, and we should change them. others work fine and we sohuld keep them the same. people just get carried away with the change inthe wrong places.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 16:23:43 UTC Post #178435
What? You didn't answer any of his post, really.
Q.E.D. means quod erat demonstrandum. Look it up.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 16:36:54 UTC Post #178437
I really don't give a shit whether you eat, fornicate with, or are allergic to pigs.

I'm glad you clarified the point about change sometimes being good. Quite profound.

Also, "mudslinging" is a stupid term. There's a proper logical term. You should know it, of all people.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 17:39:54 UTC Post #178448
Ok nickelplate you need to realize that he was making reference to Agent Smith in the matrix. A computer program who thinks the human race is a virus. Its a work of fantasy, of fiction! These books I reference are the most highest most accepted forms of philosophy. These philosophers sat all day contemplating these thoughts and beliefs. I guess your personal philosophy is better than theirs right? They who's lives were consumed by their study of philosophy. Todays laws and politics take major root from books such as The Republic. Dont denounce them please.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 19:54:44 UTC Post #178457
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 19:59:39 UTC Post #178458
Is that a theroy you came up with? Sounds like an opinion to me. Opinions arnt fact for everyone.
Posted 18 years ago2006-05-04 21:30:38 UTC Post #178463
Orph: I don't even think this IS a flamewar, really. anyway, open-mindedness is a trait that many claim when choosing to side with the minority. Open-mindedness can only be achieved by giving all sides of an issue equal validity.

Xyos: I'm not saying the ANYONE's philosophy is better than anyone else's. That is what you need to realize. Philosophies are just opinions on how life is. In The Republic, "The allegory of the cave" is pretty much THE storyline of the matrix.(i.e. Someone is enlightened and goes back to save the rest) So what are you on about? What makes PLATO's philosophy so much better than anyone else's? Sure he thought about it a lot, but you don't know how much Hugh has thought about his, and you don't know what books he has read or who his mentors are.
Opinions arnt fact for everyone.
So what makes anyone's philosophy/opinion BETTER?
You people need to realize that just because someone disagrees with what you think or what is established, doesn't mean that they are stupid. If you WANT to beleive this, then all of you who are pushing for gay rights and new US foreign policies and alternatives to oil or ANY other change, under this line thinking, are very stupid because these things are already thought to be a certain way by the majority of people. Hypocrites.

Seventh-Monkey: Yeah, "mudslinging" is what the media uses. ad hominem is probably what you're looking for.

Loffe: I don't need to look it up. Just needed to know what the letters stood for. And I didn't "answer any of his post" because for the most part, I have nothing to add. I don't think the "hawking post" was directed towards me.
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