Keep your jesus off my penis Created 18 years ago2006-05-22 15:54:12 UTC by Seventh-Monkey

of course, but allah is the one true god and mohammed spoke for him, jesus was not the son of allah

Thats not I meant, if the other religions believe jesus as the son of god.So do we.

But I cant really tell if you were sarcastic or not.Because, well didnt really see a non-sarcastic post from you.

Religious debates are fun. That's why you keep posting.

I was being serious for once, you can tell by the factual statements in the post.

I refuse to accept your refusal to be intolerant orpheus, go take your liberal wishy-washy flip-flopping anti-gun pro-life democrat nonsense and geeeet owwwwt. Dey took our jerbs!

you're a member of the factinista, a kerry-ite, a smelly unwashed hippy, a wimpy pacifist, anti-freedom, a flag burner, against democracy freedom and the american way and a commie nazi flip flopping promotor of terrorism

i'm frothing at the mouth trying to come up with more rush limberg adjectives but can only think of daily mail headlines

I love the term anti-freedom. It's so logical.

To quote Stephen Colbert:

We get it. We're not brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We're not members of the factinista. We go straight from the gut, right sir? That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. I know some of you are going to say I did look it up, and that's not true. That's cause you looked it up in a book.
Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works. Every night on my show, the Colbert Report, I speak straight from the gut, OK? I give people the truth, unfiltered by rational argument. I call it the "No Fact Zone." Fox News, I hold a copyright on that term.

Ooo, this guy is rebellious! He's Edgy!!.

There are a lot of religious people on the Right. But there are a lot of Atheist/Agnostics on the Left. Both are trying to change the laws to fit their own personal idea of what is right. The leftists are changing it for their personal beliefs just as much as the righties. But you all have to piss and moan about the right, because their beliefs are based on a book whereas YOURS are based on multiple philosophers (and pop-culture), and not just one source. That's the most hypocritical thing EVAR!

HAHAHA I have returned from the world of other, normal forums. Anything posted on this general discussion forum's ENTIRE history is nothing compared to the outside world. If you are offended by this, prepare yourselves.

but you know these strongly, very very very very strongly religious people who think that their belifs is THE TRUTH AND EVERYTHING WHO STAND AGAINST IT SHALL DIE. Those kind of people.

So Atheists don't think that what they beleive is the truth? Why would such intelligent people want to beleive something that wasn't true... And do athiests not beleive in death? I mean, i thought that they were all about nihilism. Of course "anyone who stands against them shall die" they believe that EVERYONE dies (everyone does) and that's it! So were you talking about Atheists or what?

Atheists are not generally nihilists. Whoever first brought the word in should consult a dictionary.

To quote Stephen Colbert...

Heh, I loved that speech. Good comedy.

And, um, no, nihilism ftl.

I did, nihilism is the belief in, well, nothing

albiet it really means a belief that existence is pointless because there is nothing to accomplish, you die eventually so why live, that kind of thing. My housemate became a total sad moaning goth nihilist in the third year of uni, so we kicked him out before he dragged us into his cesspit of a soul. Which was nice.

Putting 'belivers' and 'non-believers' as two sides of a coin vying for power only has a basis in the States, in a country as aethiest as the UK there is no such struggle. Anyway, please stop going on like you are 'fighting for power' when you already control EVERY STAGE OF GOVERNMENT, even the supreme court, god I really feel for the powerless right in the US.

Lol yeah, they even swear on the bible in court. How come, god and state are divided? Divided my ass.

I really must plot some graphs of religiousness vs. life expectancy, etc... I believe Scandanavia has the lowest affected portions.

I can't wait for an atheist president. Our country will prosper!

I very much doubt one will ever be elected

Sure they will. Politicans don't mind lying, atheists don't believe in Hell so there'll be no eternal damnation (which is a plus if you're a politician) if they do lie, so really they could just say they're Christian while being atheist. Woot.

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Lol yeah, they even swear on the bible in court. How come, god and state are divided? Divided my ass.

You can tell them you don't want to swear on a bible and you don't have to.
They took the religious values off the public places too.

can you ask for a dollar without 'in god we trust' on it

Pwnt LOLZ

no, but you can use a credit card.

By using money, you do not enter into any kind of contract that includes you in the term 'we.' The term 'we' refers to the people who designed the dollar.

When i went to england I was not pissed off to use pounds that said "Wyf Pleidiol i'm gwlad" which means "I'm devoted to Wales." I'm not devoted to wales and I most likely never will be. It doesn't mean that I am forced to love wales or have anything to do with it just by spending money.

And FFS who the heck READS money anyway?

BTW, England's royal motto is "God and my Right." England has a "Patron Saint"... Why don't you complain about that?

I didn't even know we had a royal motto until I just looked that up on Wikipedia. I might have heard it once in my life.

Fascinating; I had no idea that London wasn't officially the capital.

I already said the UK ironically has a state-sponsored religion, what I'm more amazed is that 71% of the UK said they were christian in 2001, could've fooled me!

For all intents and purposes, including official ones, London IS the capital. Theres no point debating centuries old legislation that makes no sense anymore, except the Bible.

wales

Woo!

"God save the queen?" Wah.

You wouldn't beleive how many Americans claim to be christian. The USA is "the great satan..." PAH!

Im pretty certain theres a greater majority than over here, despite what the statistics say. I think a lot of people do say their christian because being agnostic or aethiest is still 'taboo'

I don't think it's "taboo," I just think that if atheists beleive in nothing, and atheism is a 'religion,' then anywhere there is state-sponsored nothing (such as the blank space where the ten commandments used to be in that courthouse), is a violation of the separation of church and state.

When they removed the ten commandments, they essentially replaced them with nothing. They took the basic tenets of Judaeism and Christianity and foolishly replaced them with the basic tenets of Atheism! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

There are some quite vocal aethiests if you watch some of the BBC docs on religion I've been watching recently, but given two of them had only a few months to live it was rather strange to say the least.

For once I agree with nickelplate, if only because your post essentially says that a state sponsored removal of religion is wrong, well obviously.

When they removed the ten commandments, they essentially replaced them with nothing. They took the basic tenets of Judaeism and Christianity and foolishly replaced them with the basic tenets of Atheism! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

Funny: we... have. Morals remain the same, based on the idea of "don't piss people off, 'cos you wouldn't like it if they did it to you". Yes, that's the same as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Nobody's claimed that all the bible is bullshit.

It has a vague basis in history and mythology, thats about it.

God really should've got some lawyers in before he drafted those,

11 - Thou shalt not reprint, copy nor modify any part of these statements without express written permission of thy Lord

I know many very honest and hard working people with no religious inclinations at all. I also know devout people who are evil.

Religion guarantees nothing.

Whoo, what Orpheus said to the letter.

which letter?

If a person really was 'devout' then he would not be so bad to other people.

And I don't see how a lot of this stuff is a violation of church and state. The money says "In God We Trust." not "In the roman Catholic Church we trust because the US Gov't endorses it." Really, it says "God" not "Church." and it really never SAYS who "we" is.

The "ten commandments" that were up on the wall of that courthouse werenot the whole ten, i think. They left off the ones about coveting, idolatry and some others. I thought they only had the ones about killing, stealing, adultery, bearing false witness, etc. Which coincide with the laws decided in that court. Just because they are worded the same as the bible, doesn't mean that there is a state-sponsored church. You see? I can see where you could call them on it if they had "Thou shalt not have any god's before Yahweh."coz that one is for Jews and Christians and not for EVERYONE (legally, anyway)

Orfeo - They don't have so many different 'versions' as 'translations.' Essentially, translations are the same thing in diferent languages, but a version can be a complete revision and not too many people really do that.
Also, you can't separate 'failure to acknowledge a god' and 'promoting the nonexistence of God.' when you fail to acknowledge a god, it is given that there IS a god, you just dont acknowledge him/her/it. When you promote t's nonexistence, you are not saying there is one.

It just seems that lately everyone wants to 'tolerate' EVERYTHING except Religions. And it seems to us religious people that people just don't want to be told how to live, they want to do anything they can get away with under man's laws because they are looser than religious laws.

Hey, people don't tolerate loads of blights on society: smoking, obesity...

Yeah, smoking's really unpopular, that's why smokers are only friends with smokers, because everyone else knows that they're Satan incarnate.

People CAN form their own moral code without the use of 2000 year old traditions, believe it or not.

It's traditional to eat food and sleep, but that's been around for a long time... out-dated!

It just seems that lately everyone wants to 'tolerate' EVERYTHING except Religions. And it seems to us religious people that people just don't want to be told how to live, they want to do anything they can get away with under man's laws because they are looser than religious laws.

Can you PLEASE stop saying people are intolerant of intolerance, it doesn't make sense