Keep your jesus off my penis Created 18 years ago2006-05-22 15:54:12 UTC by Seventh-Monkey

Call it naivety if you will, but I don't think caveman beliefs will make a comeback anytime soon.

But yes, something could happen along someday that's omnipotent and not deity-based, I just don't see what the heck that could be. I mean, you take Q from Star Trek, he's omnipotent, but if he started wandering around Earth, teling people about everything that's going to happen, people would inevitably worship him and though he's not a god, it'd still be religion.

Oh, well then! If you're going by the notion of our present-day religion being overshadowed by another, then I guess Q coming down to Earth would be a more futuristic religion, basically 'cause we could interact with the fellow directly and not through a book/priests/etc.

why cant one, just one of these omnipresent beings, actually come and prove themselves, are they afraid that proof denies faith and thus they would cease to exist because of a logical paradox?

it would certainly be funny if one did anyway

Building a time machine, how hard could it be?

There has never been a cutlure anywhere on earth that has not had some sort of "god" or "gods" system set up.

You'd think that there would be at least ONE tribe of people SOMEWHERE that didn't beleive in this nonsense!!! The bible quotes God as saying, "I have placed eternity in the hearts of men..." I think that is why every cuture in the world has always looked for some sort of God to worship. It was not until the last 100 or 150 years that we have had atheism. I wonder what caused this strange line of thinking...

Probably once cities were getting big enough that you couldn't keep track of the people missing from church.

we got too educated, I think we need to take science out of schools again

Yeah, science is responsible for all this stuff like medicine and shit. Bad stuff, helping your fellow man. We should be chanting in silence, giving our money to churches, and ignoring the misfortunate.

Fuck, I'm pissed off.

Nickle, there is a simple reason, up until 150 years ago everyone that didnt believe in the church/god was instantly hunted down and killed in the name of the lovely god up there.

if the chap thinks he can decide over my fate then he should come down here to have a nice chat over a cup o thea.

Jobabob, just once I want to see you post more than one sentence that doesn't contain some sort of a feeble joke, or some tangent that cannot be confirmed. Post once paragraph that contains some sort of "on topic" reply without your skewed ideals mushing it up.

What did I ever do to you

I think most people--me included--like jobabob's masterful satire... but bring back the pint-holding av, because that swan is too swanny for you

Agreed

I'll think of something, I just like the expression on his face (in the high res version anyway)

Orpheus, I'd like to see you post a paragraph where you are actually nice to one person. Also it'd be good if you did a few posts where you thought your shite didn't smell great.

[edit] NOTHING can be fully proven anyway. No matter how much you prove, there is always something else that needs to be proven. When you get right down to it, the very 'fact' that we even exist is up for debate. So what makes your science so much better than my faith?

I bet I can prove without a doubt that my alias is Jobabob

I personally dismiss all science because empricial evidence is not the same as actually going back in time and measuring the big bang with a micrometer

There IS nothing empirical ABOUT the big bang... Empirical MEANS gained from practical experience and NOT by theory. Who is the REALLY old guy that told us about his first-hand experience?

Even the LAWS of physics can be doubted, man. EVERYTHING can be doubted.

That is why i doubt everything. Simple as that.

I doubt it's that simple! HAH!

there is proof of a big bang and it is that the stars and planets and all that shit all are moving away from one middle point it has being proven

(i like to watch documentres, i have some realy shit crappy usless knolfge that noone cares about)

That basically proves that things are moving away from one middle point, not that that's the origin of the universe. It could be an inside-out black hole (not that those exist, but how the hell could anyone know that anyway?)

There IS nothing empirical ABOUT the big bang... Empirical MEANS gained from practical experience and NOT by theory.

Empirical means experimental evidence and experimental evidence has produced a theory that it might have happened, not a hypothesis. Yes its very possible the big bang never happened, but its a huge subject of debate as its the start of the very universe. The more important point is that there is a big difference between theory and hypothesis, you ought to look that up.

Even the LAWS of physics can be doubted, man. EVERYTHING can be doubted.

and doubt is what makes science so great! We are able to doubt everything because you cannot prove so many things without having access to a long enough scientific testing period or the ability to test an actual event. Religion, on the other hand, is rather less doubtable. Its the greatest argument in the world, if you are wrong, then my point must be right, if science cannot explain something, god/ID did it.

Nickle, in the post above mine you said it is that simple, why are you contradicting yourself?

I read the da vinci code and Jesus was actually a pretty evil guy

That may be true orpehus but its not that relevant to this discussion

1. The DaVinci code is filed under "Fiction"
2. I never said you were going to hell, you came up with that one.
3. You are not making any sense again. I never said anything about Heroes or saving lives or how fair life and death is.
4. Pepper, I was making a joke with the second post. Let me explain: We established that EVERYTHING can be doubted, then you said "It's that simple" then I doubted it, thus going along with the original thing we said. Get it now?
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there is proof of a big bang and it is that the stars and planets and all that shit all are moving away from one middle point it has being proven

How do you know that all our stars and planets are not just junk that is being spewed out from some cosmic trash-dump in another dimension? That would explain the central point AND the continual movement away from it.
6. Jobabob, you're saying exactly what I am saying, well almost... People act like Science is absolutely true and proveable and you can see every little part of it at work and that every little part is explained. But you just said the truth when you say that "everything can be doubted." That is the same additude that was present when it was declared "the earth is round" and "you don't need a priest in order to get to heaven." ALL things in both science and religion can be doubted. So my point IS: what makes doubtable science so much better than doubtable religion? In my opinion, the only reason people now want to beleive in science more than religion is because religion limits thier fun.

because you CANT DOUBT RELIGION, would you honestly accept as a christian that its possible that god may not exist, jesus may not have been his son and that you dont go to heaven if you are good. They are fundamental principles of your religion that cannot be doubted because they are 'the word of god', scientific doubt is on the basis that there is always more to find out, that may disprove current theories and hypotheses, in christianity you can hardly keep finding more evidence. A belief system is not anti-science but the two should be kept seperate.

too late etc

I really don't think they SHOULD be kept separate. Everything, no matter what or who created it, works under the laws of physics. Science is not anti-religion, I don't think. and Religion doesn't have to be anti-science. Both are just 2 of the many facets of life that are intertwined.
With religion, there is lots of new stuff to find. Since your personal beliefs system is based on your interpretation of the texts. Your interpretation will change with your changes in maturity and your life experiences. I know it has for me. When i was a kid I thought that the big bang was fake and that t all just appeared. But now I think that there WAS a big bang and all that stuff. Nobody says God couldn't have caused it...

jobabob for the win.

Christianity follows a set of rules - what to believe, how to act, what to do. Christians follows the new testament and believs in a all-mighty being in the sky. It doesn't change or evolve into new forms.

Science explores new things, finds out facts about the world we live in and tries to explain the inexplicable - it changes constantly, without a firm set of beliefs for how everything is built or will be.
That's why it's superior.

Also, yeah, I'm not christian cause it would be such a bother to not kill people or bare false witness. Cause that's what you do if you're not religious.

"Bear", in this case, I'm afraid :).

bears are unstoppable killing machines

HOLY CRAP THERES A BEAR IN MY CEREAL

Jobabob = God

I think ZL was just wrong, the new evolution of Jobabobism has just begun. lol

There are not always changes to the rules Christians live by, but there are always new occurences in life for which we must decide how to act.

Also, there really are new forms. There was only Catholocism until Martin Luther decided that Catholocism was crap. Thus Protestantism was born and now there are LOTS fo different forms, all based on individual interpretation. see, now?