lmao, all excelent suggestions, and i managed to fix the problem... somewhat, i extended the wall a bit so that the ct's and t's dont encounter each other at that particular place and thus start fragging the hell outta themselves, but now the can camp there and wait for the t'x to come around the corner, anyone know how to keep bots from staying in one place?, maybe nav_edit 1 nav_dont_camp will work.. lol thx for all the help!! and i agree, it is by far THE best error ever!