Grand Theft Mapping! Created 18 years ago2005-08-27 07:26:48 UTC by sm0k3y

Hey everyone out there,

I am an avid fan of CS and have become a dedicated map maker over the last few months. But unfortunately it has come to my attention that my map, Glass_War has been decompiled, edited and renamed without my knowledge or permission. By someone I can only call a THEIF and a very disrespectful, lazy person who does not have the skill or knowledge to design his own maps.
This person is ShadowFrOMGermany, he?s the leader of a crew called THM and is currently hosting my stolen map on his server @ 213.131.244.241:26080.
I have asked him and his crew very nicely to remove this fraudulent copy, but they simply refuse, abuse, then kick and ban me.

Anyway my main reason for writing here, is so that other map makers can be aware of people like this, who search for good maps which they know are popular (and could never make themselves), then decompile them with the intention of exploiting all your hard work to their advantage.
There isn't much we can do about the fact that with a decompiler, anyone can steal your map and make it their own. But what we can do is name and shame these people! Put it out there, that you are the original author of the map, so that scum like Shadow and his crew (who are just as bad as their leader) can?t get away with it so easily.

Don?t get me wrong, I don't mind so much that they host my map (without my permission), that?s why I make maps, so others can enjoy them. But to be so sneaky and disrespectful by changing it, renaming it and then passing it off as their own work is just disgusting. It's like a kick in the teeth to anyone that ever made a map!

Thanks for taking the time to read,

Sm0k3y?

All you can do is post there ip, website and other information on mapping sites. But i feel sorry for you.

Bastards... Such ppl piss me off..

Ever heard about cheaters in the gaming community ? you know, these guys who use softwares to compensate their lack of will to get skills, or just to have fun ruining other people gaming experience ? well, there is the same thing in the mapping community, people who do nothing else but create a 6 walls big room, massively import "internet" textures and prefabs and models and such, and say "look at my hot map !" ...

Welcome into CS, welcome into the biggest online playground ...

Hey thanks for your support guys, they have a website where there was links to personal information. So I managed to retrieve some pictures and information about the person responsible. I immediately cut the head off in his pic, and superimposed it on to gay porn stars heads lol. Made sprays of them and went back in to their server and sprayed away. Although a dirty trick it's what this guy deserved, my next step is to decompile their map and remake it, rename it, then pass it off as my own. Wait wait what am I saying, they have dragged me in to the gutter where I found them. Scrap all that I didn't do that stuff...

Or did I? hehe

Sm0k3y

Well, you don't have many options other than being philosophical. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Either stick with that or DoS their server with nasty packets ;).

Im sure we have so good hackers on this site (you know who you are) who could go on there and delete the map(s) off their server and website

onslaught gets his older brother (Who is a top Computer Scietist and Hacker) to hack their machines and delete their data, install spyware and viruses!

I'll get mine to

Rip your map after you compile it, add a few useless entities like triggers that trigger nothing. Doing so limits the possibility of decompilation. (Decompiling ripped maps usually breaks WINBSP)

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Hey thanks for your support guys, they have a website where there was links to personal information. So I managed to retrieve some pictures and information about the person responsible. I immediately cut the head off in his pic, and superimposed it on to gay porn stars heads lol. Made sprays of them and went back in to their server and sprayed away. Although a dirty trick it's what this guy deserved, my next step is to decompile their map and remake it, rename it, then pass it off as my own. Wait wait what am I saying, they have dragged me in to the gutter where I found them. Scrap all that I didn't do that stuff...

Sorry to hear about that 'theft' ('when are the police when you need them?' take from GTA2)

Its good to see someone get their just revenge

Teach those bastards a lesson

Id be happy to "rage" their server for you if you know what I mean

Id be happy to "rage" their server for you if you know what I mean

i see it now...'OWN3D'

Take em out lol!

is the clan name The Hitmen by any chance?

What a bunch of Cunts!! I hate decompiling idiots

Rip your map after you compile it, add a few useless entities like triggers that trigger nothing. Doing so limits the possibility of decompilation. (Decompiling ripped maps usually breaks WINBSP)

I don't get the point of that process : I thought the only thing that could make that bsphack to crash was to have a big map (with high level of clipnodes and faces) ...

mmmmm i dont know man, I tried decompiling cs_assault and it worked fine, but trying to decompile the ripped version that I run on my server just crashed WinBSP

i made surf_egypt... u wouldnt believe how many people decompile and rename it... so i no wat ur feeling... is it true that a 14 meg map cant be decompiled or something?

What a bunch of Cunts!! I hate decompiling idiots

Grrrrrr...must kill decompiling son of a bitches!

Bahhh...why wont they try building their own maps!!

Source maps can be protected from decompilling.

Only from certain programs...

Suermario you really made the original surf_egypt? Ha! Hilariously ironic.

Anyway, here's their forum. Anyone who wants to bash it, spam, post things you shouldnt post(use your head), go right ahead, they deserve it. I just figured out they don't ban IPs, only usernames, so if you get banned re-register. You will need a new email each time though. My advice, use yahoo and make like 10 different emails, each with a slight change in the name. Example: deathman, deathman1, deathman2 etc. Then reregister with the new email each time.

Forum: http://web1.eco1051.netclusive.de/phpmyforum/
Posting the same topic over and over again can be done by refreshing the page forwards you back to the forum after making a post(the "thank you for posting you are now being redirected back, if you do not wish to wait click here" page). there is a 10 second delay between posts.
Id highly recommend using http://www.freetranslation.com if you don't speak german because these guys only speak german. Dont worry about breaks in the sentences or anything they are understandable enough after being translated, just translate full messages at a time and post.

Hey guys, thx once again for taking the time to read and reply..

I have made quite a few maps, some complex, cs de etc. But if people can just decompile them with such ease, it really puts me off making them. Takes all the fun out of it.. I could spend days getting certain things to work, only to have some noob come along, decompile, then find out how I did it in seconds. I was going to release cs_hotel before all this happened, but I don't think I will now, if someone's just gonna OWN it.
You know these guys even tried threatening me, saying "we know where you live" etc, before telling me just to stfu, then kick and ban me again. I've written many entries in to their guest book (probably how they got my ip or from the game), but they just delete them straight away. They're like the ultimate frauds, theives and cheats throughout the gaming world and they have no shame about any of it!

Anyway you look at it, these guys are major a$$holes, I tried talking to the other crew members, but they just said the same thing as their leader shadow. How low can these guys go?? It's bad enough to steal my map etc but then threaten me on top of it all, then boot me the hell off their server...

Sm0k3y

Why not go open-source on maps and release the RMFs too, with the GNU or Creative Commons licence?

You can't stop people ripping off your stuff, so why not let those who just want to look and admire how you did things see too? The prats can steal your stuff regardless.

You can't stop people ripping off your stuff, so why not let those who just want to look and admire how you did things see too? The prats can steal your stuff regardless.

Good idea..

Im sure MJ can sort something out for them at their forums

(logging-out)

with the GNU or Creative Commons licence?

because people are more respectful with licenses ?

You can't stop people ripping off your stuff

You can, you just have to wait that video game developers and editors care about modders, and release modding tools with protection features. You can wait, a long time ...

Or start to make your video games from scratsch ...

i made surf_egypt... u wouldnt believe how many people decompile and rename it... so i no wat ur feeling... is it true that a 14 meg map cant be decompiled or something?

Thats an awesome map and like the most popular surf map out there. Good to have you on this site

Too bad you cant make a virus in a map that destroys a persons comp if they decompile it. Or can you? Like without it being detected? What do they call those...Oh yeah Logic Bombs!

Surf_egypt is great but surf_justice is better

Protecting against decompiling is like DRM, really: hopeless. Since the aim is always to let the end-audience use it with some restrictions, they can always work against it. If you can view/play it, you can do anything you want with it, really.

It's impossible to stop these thefts I bet you cracked/downloaded a file or something that you need to pay for it! And the compenys can do nothing.

But if you decompile a map wont it end up with tons of errors? :

it does, but they can fix them

By the way, I am going onto their site to spam them like hell :D#

Spam Account details

USername : FUCK
PAssword :laurence (my brothers name)

If I'll go there thier site will probebly be over loaded with fake maps,forum posts...ect Mwhahahahaha

The only thing you could do, I think, is getting your name more known so people know you are the real creator of the map. If people know that, then spotting someone on a forum who tries to take the pride for your work is much easier.

A while ago a guy showed a lot of screenshots of several really good maps on another forum. Untill the forum moderator visited Mapcore and saw those maps were created by a bunch of other people (maps for different engines, looking awesome, and no release is somewhat suspicious already...). The guy got kicked pretty well when they found out.

And perhaps there will always be a little group of thieves that run away with your work on their own little server... don't care about these guys. They don't have the skills you have, and that's a think often overlooked by a lot of people. Besides, what's the recognition of such people worth? As long as other, decent mappers and players recognize your work then it's ok, I think.

Bytheway, you got a portfolio site or such? Something where we can view all your maps? Would be a nice thing to have man...

EDIT: Watermarking techniques for bsp files, does anyone know about such things? I've seen techniques for images and models too so far, but bsp files not yet.

Hey guys,
Earlier today I accidently came across this site http://j.1asphost.com/carstenrau notice any difference between their official one http://www.thehitmen.de ? lol

Sm0k3y...

hahaha! Great work on this replica!

Yeah, welcome to the mapping world...

Just think of it this way - Your map was popular enough with someone at least, that they decompiled it and tried to pass it off as their own. Sucks they won't remove it and are asshats about it, but that's what you get in the CS/S community most of the time.

Good luck with any further endeavors...

Damn too bad their site is German. I was gonna spam it like mad but I dont think they would understand me. Oh well stupid Nazis love stealing maps.

LOL you should hack their site and post all that up in it!

Look at their admin. Hes fat!!!

I've got a friend who could possibly crack the admin's forum account(not kidding). Are we willing to go to that extent or what?

Hey,
The site I put up about 20 minutes ago has mysteriously gone down, so I moved it here too http://j.1asphost.com/DoctorBytes/ .
I think they need that special kind of attention worldcraft dude, thanks alot!

Sm0k3y..

Is this the map we're talking about, people?

Hey Captain P,
Yeah that looks like it, I take it you've played the map?

sm0k3y..

By all means. Hack that site and put the gay stuff in!

I am no CSS player so I didn't play it, but there's a thread about this on Mapcore as well (there's some real high quality maps being produced by it's members so you did get some good attention).

By the looks of it, it's not too impressive, so I wonder why people would steal this. Are those guys so lazy or ignorant that they can't even open up their editor and recreate this thing instead of decompiling it?

Captain P,

Do you have the thread url please?

Sm0k3y..

Nevermind found it

Please stop putting your name at the foot of posts. If you want to be recognised, get an avatar.

Ok ok you twisted my arm monkey,

I've decided to start releasing all my maps on various sites so that these schweine (swines) & everyone else like them won't screw me so bad next time. Can anyone recomend some good sites (apart from this one :p) to do this? Thanks once again and no sm0k3y @ the bottom this time!

I know some
Cs- maps
csbanana

Thx man,

I'll check those out, but first I'm going to make sure I have my name in the maps properly, no more BS!