New to mapping? Try this...

Well, I see someone read the "In The Beginning" tutorial series. This is pretty good for a first map, with the monster_maker added. Very nice! Since it's your first map, I'll give a good rating. 4/5 stars. You're on your way!

Come on man. Encouraging a noob is one thing, but rating this map 4 stars is rediculous. The whole map is a room the size of a closet with some prefabs in it. Please take this out of the completed section. Yes it is a good start, but it is FAAAARRRRRRRR from a completed map.

Go easy on him, noob-hater. It's his first map, and at least he read the tutorials unlike most of the people joining this site!

But you do have a point... Gman, please put this into the uncompleted section, it does need work.

unless the map is physically uncomplete (i.e. gaping holes or something) it can be classified a completed map Prickly Pimple. Give him some slack

What did I say that was harsh or untrue? Is this really a 4 star completed map? No. Is it the size of a closet? Yes. Did he fill the closet with prefabs? Yes. Did I compliment him and say it was a good start? Yes. Is the map far from what any reasonable gamer would call complete? Yes.

And I didn't say anything mean to him, I said rating a closet full of prefabs 4 stars is rediculous... cut ME some slack.

Hello, there is a monster_maker that was added, and he tied it to a command. I also said it should be put into the unfinished stuff section.

So what are you saying, I was too hard on him? Or that because he used a monster_maker, the closet suddenly became an awesome map deserving 4 out of 5 stars? I don't understand what you're saying.

this map is way better than my first map i rate 5!!!

Good map: probably not, but be enthusiastic: yes!

No-one's first map's gunna be brilliant. It wasn't that great an idea on his part to post it, but hey. Calm down, and let him keep mapping.

Why do some people here not understand English? Where did I say he should quit mapping? Didn't I say it was a good start? Didn't I suggest in my first post that encouraging noobs is ok? What I took issue with was rating this tiny pointless map 4 out of five stars.

Haven't people been complaining about the vault getting spammed full of junk? Well when the mapper or another noob sees that this map gets 4 stars, he probably thinks: "Nice! That map almost got a perfect 5 stars! I can post something like that and I'll get great ratings too/again!" Then even more noobs are putting their one room first maps here.

Instead of telling me to calm down and take it easy on the guy (when I am calm, have said nothing nasty to the mapper, and am trying to help fix a problem here), you should be telling the mapper: "hey nice job on your first map, but you should really move it to the unfinished section where it belongs".

Please read more carefully before you suggest I'm upset and I told someone to quit mapping.

You never said encouraging a noob is ok.
Quote: "Encouraging a noob is one thing, but rating this map 4 stars is rediculous."

lol, prickly_pimple, i am just going to give you the advice of wording better. When you first read it, u get the impression of what Silentgunz is saying.

Quote : "Or that because he used a monster_maker, the closet suddenly became an awsome map deserving 4 out of 5 stars?"

LOL, cracked me up there because its completely true!

Silent Gunz: I never claimed I said: "encouraging a noob is ok". What I asked was: "Didn't I SUGGEST that encouraging noobs is ok?" And in my opinion, the quote you used DOES suggest that I have no problem with encouraging noobs.

So I say it again. Please try and read more carefully, and quit putting words in my mouth.

All this arguing every time a new person posts a map as his first!

I'm new, have some respect!

give us another vault to put our new stuff in, because no one looks at the unfinished stuff bin.

I guess I am an Agent of you g-man. what shall I do?

prickly, how dare you rate it one star a bunch!

This is an outrage!

something has to be done!

I see that something is being done, in that todo thread, but for now, people like you prick ly_pimple should be quiet!

It doesnt matter if a newb posts his new stuff... Just tell him how to make it better...

Wow prickly u area an ass for doing that.

Well I dont know if it was you, so I am going to take that back until further thinking, it might just be gmans_agent doing that.

Crap 7th plz delet all these last posts ive made

delete them all. This is all outrage against prickly_pimple. I think that things like this won't happen when atom gives the site a makeover.

Gmans_agent: Man I didn't even rate this map. So many people so quick to accuse. I defy anyone to point out something I said in these comments that's false or unfair. If you actually read what I say, instead of just reading what someone else says about me, you will look like much less of an ass with your posts.

Prickly is a noob-hater! He should just leave this site!

am i missing something?

Rating: * (41)
Downloads: 9

OK this is insane. Utterly insane, and totally pointless. Frankly, whoever is rating this map so many times is incredibly stupid and cruel. Shouldn't we be encouraging people to produce better work rather than bagging them out continually? Sure, some people don't release good work, but this is not cause for members of the community to weild torches and pitchforks and go out on a massive hunt!

This has gone far enough. I've been here for long enough to see this occur and I'm really fed up with it. Please stop, whoever is doing this. You are not creating a good image for yourself or the site. Secondly, you are discouraging the members who actually want to become better at mapping.

At the end of the day, this is about Half-Life Mapping. Nothing else. This is how it should stay.
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atom is back, and as I said, the makeover he gives the site will hopefully stop voters from voting a million times.

We need a moderator over here now to delete these posts. its not very nice to Gman, or prickly, although I do agree with Anthony.

How are we suppose to beilieve you prickly? you posted over and over again complaining about gman.

"but rating this map 4 stars is rediculous."
does this help your case prickly?
"Is this really a 4 star completed map? No. Is it the size of a closet? Yes. Did he fill the closet with prefabs? Yes."
or even this?

who else would do it if you are the one who decided it shouldn't be rated 4 stars.

you are fighting alone on the wrong side.

last time I checked, it was
22 ratings,
and still 9 downloads.

no one else downloaded it. hmmm....

P.S. can a Moderator delete posts in the map vault? delete all of this from the first post. just keep the first post.

Peronally, I'm not too concerned about your opinion BL. But since you chose to address me in an open forum, I'll respond.

(1) I never complained once about gman, let alone "posted over and over complaining about him". As anyone who can read will clearly understand, I said nothing harsh or untrue to/about the mapper.

The map DOES take place in a closet a closet. The closet IS full of prefabs. Have YOU looked at it? Rating a small closet with some prefabs in it a nearly perfect 4/5 stars IS rediculous no matter how well done the closet is. Look at the map, then read what I said, then go away.

I told the mapper it was a good start and went on to tell him its far from a complete map and should be put in the unfinished section. I suggested silent gunz was acting rediculously, not the mapper.

You, like silent gunz and whoever else doesn't understand the simple English I'm using, should go back to elementary school and pay closer attention this time. You seem to think that by telling someone they've made a good start, but they should move their map because it's far from completed and its in the wrong wault, I'm insulting them and trying to tear them down. Not true.

If i wanted to insult the mapper I would have said something like: "This MAP is rediculous. Take this garbage out of here and you with it." Do you see the difference? Probably not.

And silent gunz, if I really was a noob hater like you said, why did I compliment your monoliths map I looked at you fool?

I know it helps some people to feel important by jumping on the bandwagon and attacking people who others are not likely to defend. Why dont you 2 find more productive ways to feel important? Especially since I've proven you both to be rediculous with your accusations.

prickly pimple, when do you ever learn to shut the hell up and leave?

When you do. Go away.

grow up guys, this is not the first grade, lol.

BL, it's nice to see you attempting to act mature for once. But we all know it's cause you're trying to suck up to get to be a mod. But three days of maturity and tollerance does not erase 3 months of ignorance and immaturity.

Now why don't you show some real maturity and appologize for lying and saying I "posted over and over complaining about gman".

umm, no, I just think its childish to say "When you do, go away". Do you even know how old I am?

can a moderator come over here and get rid of all these posts that are involved in this little argument? Please?

P.S. Wow, I really do have a way with pissing people off, lol.

(1) What I said expressed to the guy who flamed me that I'm not going anywhere and that he should quit bugging me. Nothing childish in that. His remark was childish, mine was not. Get a clue.

(2) I do not know, nor care, how old you are or pretend to be. It is insignificant to me. You probably consider that statement of fact to be childish too. Guess what, who cares.

(3) What makes you think that by me pointing out YOUR childish and hypocritical behaviour, that I'm somehow "pissed off". It's quite the contrary, I enjoy making loud mouth posers look bad.

(4) And I see you still dont have the balls (or maturity) to admit that you were wrong for accusing me of "posting over and over complaining about gman". Here's an idea, you go away too. Quit acting like everyone respects you when you are a pathetic joke.

lol, thats not pissed off?

Not at all, I'm smiling. I like being mean to jerks, it makes me happy standing up to them and showing them to be fools. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

lol.

haha, hahahaha! ahahahaha lol LOL!
What's with the fighting?? Is it always like this?
As if this turned into a forum...

my bad?

why do people say "this is good for a first map"? What is the point to that? A person who has never made a map before may have visualised what they wanted to make for ages before actually making a map before &/or read heaps of tutorials. Also, some people probably don't consider a cube with an info_player_start entity enclosed to be a proper map so it mightn't actually be their first map to be compiled.

unless the map is physically uncomplete (i.e. gaping holes or something) it can be classified a completed map Prickly Pimple. Give him some slack

But a cube with an info_player_start entity enclosed could be considered complete. I hope you wouldn't consider that an acceptable map for placement in the completed maps section!

lol, u must have a pretty big closet prickley-pimple!

and leave silentgunz alown. he's my friend.

this map has got a future if u work on it more.

The trask can is breakable and there is a vent behind it which gives you a key so it is a little bigger than a closet. However, I'm not sure that it was that complete when pickle made his first comment. I did agree with pickle for most of the comments I read, I just think he is a victom to his... lack in skill...about wording things carefully. He'd be a great advisor, but a terrible politician ;).

AY CARUMBA!!!! .... now that I can call myself an experienced mapper, I see what a piece of crap this map is... I will remove it... It could serve as a combined example map for new peeps though, don't ya think?
/me moves to Example Maps

So you realised how bad it was like I did with my first maps

Haha what a fight

all this fight over a maps lol

I dont see why some people complain about some members first map, cause I have one, its just I would have to reconstruct it to post it, my first map had 4 differnt rooms, but was not long, but I know that if its thier first map, then its thier first try, and I know my first try was good. I have no clue how this map looks because its 4:11AM and I want to go to bed, so ill come back sometime to see how it looks.

This is actually a good example, for a first map. It shows monstermakers, func_ entities, and how to use keycards, and decals, as well as some light effects and model rendering effects. 4 stars for educational content for new mappers.