We've had these sort of threads before and I'm sure we'll have them again.
On many issues, I'm sure we will never agree, and that's ok, because at the end of the day, this is all a great exercise.
From time to time, tempers will flare and so will the subsequent flaming. Remember though, that your remarks/exchanges made in anger generally just widen the gap between us, and make it harder to come to any sort of good end.
I admire many people in this thread for if nothing else attempting to go against the majority popular opinion, and not just "curtseying" to the powers that be. It takes a measure of courage and possibly sacrificing friendships doing this, whilst many here are content to simply "follow the train". Bravo to you
Satchmo: My respect for you has increased 10-fold since the beginning of this thread. If you write an autobiography, it will be a huge success
This creation of yours has been so far and unpredictable roller coaster of adventure! Where will it take us next, nobody knows...
Ant/Seventh: Two people I respect greatly that have had more than your fair share of outright flaming in this thread, imo. First of all, your are mods, so you should take a more neutral position if these kinds of debates, or at the very least be a bit more subtle imo.
Let me tell you first-hand, that you're never going to convince any westerners of anything as long as you stick to your current method of pissing on, deriding, and otherwise pidgeonholing all americans into one lot.
I'm not saying you have to agree with everything I have to say, and you better believe I'm not going to agree with everything you say, but this sensless bickering is pointless.
Ant: One thing that you've said that I agree with 100% is that it's always harder, if not impossible to see yourself, your nation, your work with an unbiased point-of-view, or from the "ousisde". Please keep in mind though, this is a two-way street
Seventh: You are for all intent and purpose the leader of this whole grand and beloved place we call TWHL. Would you not agree a little impartiality might be appropriate? I have the greatest respect for you and the amount of work you pour into this site. Your outright anger towards Americans is almost too much for me to bare sometimes, and it feels like you have a split personality of sorts. On that, I suppose we all do to some degree, plus good and bad days, and whatever, but I think a little less caustic attitude towards your brothers to the west, would be widely a good thing. <rowleybob has a good cry, lights some candels, and starts writing poetry>
ZombieLoffe: Although I don't agree with many of your interpretations, and conclusions, you have been one of the few calm voices of reason in this, and many other threads. You bring hard facts to the table when you're making/defending a point, and mostly always do an outsanding job at it. Your a rare type make it possible for any sort of rational dialogue to begin.
I'm personally guilty of my share of flaming and outrageous remarks in this thread, but I would say a majority of the time I'm very serious about my claims/response. I'm not trying to be undually crass or evil, nor do look at myself or my country as so.
Contrary to what some people think, I'm not trying to cause unnecessary strife and division in a thread that's already full of those, but most of the time I'm just trying to explain my point-of-view, honestly.
I suppose some posts that I regard as flaming are actually the same thing, but one thing's for certain: I think we all need to try harder to understand each other, and not be so quick to attack.
I mean, most of us have spent a lot of time here together at TWHL. I would regard most people here, and everyone listed above as friends--albeit Internet friends--, if not really good ones.