***WARNING*** Disturbing Subject Matter Created 18 years ago2006-04-16 22:27:53 UTC by satchmo satchmo

Created 18 years ago2006-04-16 22:27:53 UTC by satchmo satchmo

Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 22:27:53 UTC Post #174695
The man accused of killing a 10-year-old neighbor girl for an elaborate plan to eat human flesh joked about cannibalism on his online diary, discussed the effects of not taking his anti-depression medication and mentioned "dangerously weird" fantasies.

All he wanted in life, Kevin Ray Underwood wrote in his blog, was "to be able to live like a normal person."

People who knew Underwood described him Sunday as a quiet, "boring" and seemingly trustworthy young man. His mother who lived across town called him a "wonderful boy."

The 26-year-old grocery store stocker was arrested Friday. Investigators searched his apartment after he aroused their suspicions at a checkpoint, and found a large plastic tub in a bedroom closet. According to a police affidavit, he confessed that he killed Jamie Rose Bolin, telling FBI agents: "Go ahead and arrest me. She is in there. I chopped her up."

Jamie's unclothed body was inside the tub, along with a towel used to soak up blood, officials said. Police said that, while there were deep saw marks on the girl's neck, she had not been dismembered.

"Regarding a potential motive," Purcell Police Chief David Tompkins said Saturday, "this appears to have been part of a plan to kidnap a person, rape them, torture them, kill them, cut off their head, drain the body of blood, rape the corpse, eat the corpse then dispose of the organs and bones."

Investigators found meat tenderizer and barbecue skewers that he planned to use on the body, McClain County District Attorney Tim Kuykendall said in this small community 40 miles south of Oklahoma City.

Underwood, who is to be formally charged with first-degree murder Monday, lived alone in an apartment downstairs from the one where Jamie lived with her father.

Authorities believe Underwood killed the girl Wednesday, when she disappeared after going to a library, by beating and smothering her.

Underwood's family was shocked.

"This is something that I don't know where it came from," Underwood's mother, Connie, said through tears in a brief telephone interview Sunday with The Associated Press. "He was always a wonderful boy.

"I would like to be able to tell her family how sorry we are. I just feel so terrible."

On his blog, an online diary that he had kept since September 2002, Underwood described himself as "single, bored, and lonely, but other than that, pretty happy."

He mentions cannibalism, asking "If you were a cannibal, what would you wear to dinner?" and responding: "The skin of last night's main course."

In an entry dated Feb. 4, 2006, Underwood wrote that he struggled with depression and social interaction.

"Pretty much the only time I believe in God is when I blame him for something," he said. "Or, when I'm really depressed, to cry and beg him to make me better, to make whatever is wrong in my brain go away, so that I can live like a normal person.

"That's all I want in life, is to be able to live like a normal person."

He wrote that he rarely left his apartment for long stretches, except to go to work and to buy food. "I just sit here at the computer every minute of the day, when I'm not at work. A week or so ago, I spent my day off sitting here at the computer, barely moving from the chair, for 14 hours."

He said one of his main interests was the online role-playing game "Kingdom of Loathing," in which stick figures battle one another.

In September 2004, he wrote that his depression deepened after several months without taking the medication Lexapro, an antidepressant also used in the treatment of anxiety disorders.

"For example, my fantasies are just getting weirder and weirder. Dangerously weird," he wrote. "If people knew the kinds of things I think about anymore, I'd probably be locked away. No probably about it, I know I would be."

Underwood worked for nearly seven years at a Carl's Jr. restaurant, where shift leader Bill Verdan described him as a quiet person who kept to himself. "He did a good job," Verdan said Sunday.

However, he said Underwood, who quit about a year ago, was a "boring" man who rarely smiled.

"Just his tone of voice, he just sounded dull," Verdan said. "Trying to get a smile out of him took an act of Congress."

Verdan said he and his wife and young daughters never suspected anything unusual.

"He gave my wife rides home from work numerous times," Verdan said. "We never felt uncomfortable. I talked to my girls after this happened, and they said they felt comfortable around him."

His most recent job was as a stocker at a Griders Discount Foods grocery store in Oklahoma City, where he arrived early for his shift Friday, said a manager at the store, Jerry Castro.

"He was the same as always," Castro said. "He was quiet and kept to himself. He didn't interact with people. It just didn't dawn on you that this was something he'd do."
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 23:02:52 UTC Post #174696
I saw this on the news. I think thats a mental disfunction. Even if he was lonely and alone, a sane person would never think that. Just reading your post makes me shutter. I know he was insane, but he should still be severely punished. Even executed. No question! The kind of mind it takes to do a thing like that is unfathomable. God, I still am shuttering. Horrible........
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 23:06:35 UTC Post #174697
I don't think you can fix a mind like that.

It's probably safest for everyone to lock him up forever.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 23:11:16 UTC Post #174699
dreadful
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 00:18:32 UTC Post #174705
The anti-depressant probably made his problems worse. SSRI anti-depressants are a ripoff marketing scam. Any benefit is purely a placebo, and in quite a few people will make them suicidal, or just further their depression. I'd blame this entire thing on Lexapro ;) I believe it's an SSRI-type, probably did him way more harm than good. They can make your mind conjure up some pretty nasty thoughts I hear.
m0p m0pIllogical.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 00:28:47 UTC Post #174706
Thats... just... errrrrrrrr.........
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 01:04:30 UTC Post #174709
The poor lot of them. Why don't you hear of these things happening in someplace like denmark or italy? What is it about America that does this to people? Did this sort of thing happen in the past, too? I've not heard of many such things.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 01:57:09 UTC Post #174710
I'm sure it happens in other places, not just america.

But, that was distrubing...
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 04:16:26 UTC Post #174720
Interesting story.

Horrible murder though.

Nickel, i cant hardly imagine this not happening anywhere in the world. Hell, we have some sort of genious sick person running around harming people. There trying to track him down by all means at the moment.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 05:48:24 UTC Post #174736
.......He is a Wanking Fucking Bastard!!!!
Instant Mix Instant MixTitle commitment issues
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 05:52:08 UTC Post #174737
He is mentally disturbed, it's a terrible thing to happen but in his mind it would've seemed completely different. I've read some terrible tales, some even worse than this, and i've seen some things i wish i hadn't, but you never get used to this type of stuff happening.
Strider StriderTuned to a dead channel.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 06:17:24 UTC Post #174742
Urrr... :confused: I think we need a barfing emoticon for this type of thread...

I should have just stopped reading at
"She is in there. I chopped her up."
This is really creepy, and I'm normally not disturbed by this kind of stuff.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 06:49:37 UTC Post #174743
This is rediculous! We should execute anyone like that! They don't deserve to live in jail!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 06:52:16 UTC Post #174744
man, some1 should tell this guy... "thats wat porn is 4!"

nah, that is stick, especially the torture of the 10 year old
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 07:07:31 UTC Post #174747
Only a few (unmentioned) people here at TWHL would ever be able to come up with porn like that...
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 07:19:47 UTC Post #174748
I don't think anyone here would actually like porn like that. As sick as some can be, it's only as a joke, this however is seriously disturbing stuff.
Strider StriderTuned to a dead channel.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 09:29:39 UTC Post #174773
Can you really execute someone for having a mental disorder? He evidently wasn't very sane at all, but don't mentally dysfunctional people deserve treatment? I don't really believe in sending people who've no control over what they do to their deaths, even though what he did was terrible.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 09:37:00 UTC Post #174775
Yeah, in his mind it could of been justifiable, which means he is in need of professional/psychiatric help, not an execution. It's terrible that his problem escaladed so far, he should of been put under care before this happened.
Strider StriderTuned to a dead channel.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 10:36:59 UTC Post #174785
What MOPX said, its messed up but a lot worse has happened and is happening. The drugs he is on probably fucked him up enough to do this sort of shit. Blame the game not the player. Yeah hes fucked up and yes the simplest answer is just to shoot him and leave him in a ditch for the worms, but OH NO! (:o D:) the very society that made this kind of nutter CANT get rid of him "oh lets try and treat him, maybe we can fix him!" - You cant, your not god, dont bother, just cap his sorry ass.

Although everyone should be given a second chance at life, people like this are severly disturbed. Better to end their confused pointless suffering and allow god to fix them (in heaven).
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 11:26:21 UTC Post #174790
disturbing shit...
to the question about why you dont hear bout this kinda crap in europe. its cause when america was discovered, all the fuckups from europe went to america while the people who were doing well stayed in europe. Thats why they're more socialy advanced :D
Proud to be german.....
......
....ok nvm....theres a contradicion for you.....

I suppose you get nutcases everywhere, but only here in america do they actually end up going on their sprees. Then again theres always Jack the ripper. So nutcases are all over the world, but most strongly concentrated in the USA.

but you cant execute people for that. you cant execute people for any reason. Remember the last guy who was executed? the guy who wrote childrens books and coulda been let go except good ol arnie decided to let him be killed. He murderd three people, gave a a blank point headshot and im sure people were screaming for his execution back then and now look! When schwarzenegger was decideing, 70% of america was against this guy being killed!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 12:29:56 UTC Post #174807
I agree with not executing this guy (as I said previously), but I would keep him locked up. Would you sleep at night knowing this person lives next door? Even if he's on medication?
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 12:41:03 UTC Post #174810
I don't think a person with this degree of mental disorder can be treated to the point where it is safe to roam the streets again. This guy should remain behind bars for the rest of his life.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 13:10:38 UTC Post #174816
the Arcan: Thats a silly thing to say. Many other crimes occur around the world. Why didnt Hitler live in Germany? You dont class people's actions by their location. The same crazies exist everywhere....

" .....all the fuckups from europe went to america...." Wow how ignorant. Do you honestly think only the "fuck ups" went to America? Thats very sad then.

On the topic of his mental disorder: Yes, he might of not been aware of what he did, but It does not matter. Think of what he did to a 10 YEAR OLD GIRL! Who knows if she was alive while he performed all of it. (probably) Even if it is not his fault he must be removed. Doing something like that is unthinkable.Death, or life imprisonment. Which ever.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 13:40:53 UTC Post #174819
Even if it is not his fault he must be removed
Yeah, I agree, democracy sucks.

Anyway, the whole idea of capital punishment is, in my opinion, wrong and bad and not at all good.
The society should treat criminals and try to re-adjust them to society, not kill them off.
And uh, Arcan, kindly be quiet.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 15:22:09 UTC Post #174830
This debate has already been put to rest at the U.S. Supreme Court, which forbade anyone with mental illness be punished by death.
satchmo satchmo“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett”
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 16:16:59 UTC Post #174839
Pretty sad.

I really don't know where I stand on the matter about killing him...

I mean on the one hand I feel that if you murder someone intentionally, and there is a high chance of you becoming a serial killer or doing more such deeds, I'd say they should be killed, mercifully though.

On the other hand though someone with a mental disorder really doesn't know what they are doing, it may of seemed like a good idea at the time to him. And he was obviously out of his head really. So I hardly think that is fair to kill them.. Should just lock them away and try to uh.."fix" them.

But really...if this had happened to me, and he had killed someone close to me, I woulda beaten him, I woulda wanted some serious revenge. It's human nature.

So I don't know, it kinda depends from what perspective you are viewing this from.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 16:26:17 UTC Post #174841
I'm against the death penalty in principle, largely on the grounds that they execute innocent people. I hear of people on death row having raped and killed girls about my age, though, and I really couldn't care less about what they do to them. Of course, then there's a lot more in-between.
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 17:52:34 UTC Post #174850
lol..really
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 20:36:21 UTC Post #174866
"Eye for an eye?" or "turn the other cheek?" I gotta say the first one sounds much more fulfilling. I don't know HOW people like this guy can be helped, and I studied Psychology for 2 years.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-17 20:42:36 UTC Post #174868
Please, raping a dead corpse is obvioulsy un-quenchable lust. He just wanted some lovin' so he killed some girl and had his fun. What a freak, learn to socialize and then flirt!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 11:51:38 UTC Post #174961
He couldn't learn to socialize, VOX. He had mental problems, it's not directly his fault that he did this, really.
m0p m0pIllogical.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 12:38:59 UTC Post #174969
Soo uhhh, G_Kid.... you would've eaten him.... What do i say to that?
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 13:16:56 UTC Post #174979
Where did I say I'd eat him? :zonked:
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 13:21:23 UTC Post #174981
OH SHIT! LOL

I read beatin him, as eatin him. I was like wtf?
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 13:25:51 UTC Post #174983
So Vox, you want to execute all autistic people?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 13:50:38 UTC Post #174986
Haha Luke, I was pretty confused aswell. ;D
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 14:41:59 UTC Post #174990
no i'm serious. Everyone went to america to "fullfill their dreams correct?" How many actually did fulfill their dreams? a very small percentage. Everyone who was doing well didnt have to fullfill their dreams and stayed. As i said these things happen all over the world, but alot more often in america. I did a volenteer job in my local library where i "weeded" books. this means i also paged through some, including murder books. 80% of them were about cerial killers or demented murders in AMERICA. America does also after all STILL have hate groups like the KKK.

Did anyone ever read Sinclairs "The Jungle"? If you did, you'd know what im talking about with the fuck ups going to america. The jungle isnt some noname book either. it had a huge impact on american economy around 1906.

Also atm America is the only country engaging in war. The european countries were pulled into the iraq war but they didnt start it. America went looking for a war and lots of americans supported this. IF thats not fucked up then what is?

And before you go all huffy-puffy on me i would like to add that i'm aware that millions of people were/are against the war but then why did Bush get reelected? That must mean theres still too much support for him.

btw you can leave away "the" in my name. Just say Arcan, it sound sbetter ;)

EDIT:
Also i would like to add only people who are messed up go to extremes like the DP. It doesnt make you any better, it makes you even stoop to a murderers level
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 15:05:43 UTC Post #174992
The problem is that treating people with mental problems doesnt work.

I remember a story from here in the UK, some guy had attacked someone and then claimed that he was mentally unstable at the time. He was treated for a while then released. The same day he killed someone with a Samuri sword. Cant remember if he was released because his treatment had finished or due to lack of funding.

There was the case of one guy stabbing a young teenage girl to death in a public park while she was sunbathing. He claimed he had mental problems.

Things happen all over the world but i imagine many thing never make the news. In Liverpool, about 40 miles from me there are stabbings and shootings daily but i never see anything in the news.

My mum worked at a home for people with these problems. One lad ate the heads of his mums birds, many are Peados and one tried to eat his way out of his cell. Got about 3 inches into the concrete wall before it was discovered.

The best we can do with them is lock them up, for life!

However, someone who does kill due to a mental disorder, although just as serious is not as bad a a sane person killing people. Some people do not know what is right and what is wrong, they feel no remorse or guilt.

The main problem is, we dont know who these people are until they have destroyed someone elses life!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 15:37:38 UTC Post #174998
I haven't read the last 2 posts, btw.
Don't feel like reading right now ^^

Well you can't really execute anyone with a mental disorder, really.
I personally think they should execute him, but you just can't.

(Well sure, you can't execute anyone at all, but mental disorders are just completely out)

But, he was kind of to blame for not taking his anti-depressants, right ?

Tough call :lol:
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 15:44:43 UTC Post #175001
Arcane? Do you have any fucking cleu how the world works? I highly doubt it so it would be wise for you to be silent. We have enough hate groups here to, here's an example:

neo-nazi's
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 15:50:21 UTC Post #175003
And me, apparently. Because I say execute the guy. He killed and it was HIS fault for not taking his meds.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 16:40:17 UTC Post #175010
the KKK goes waaay back and should have been destroyed long ago. however i will admit that that part of my argument was rather weak, however can you comment on the rest of my post?

also its Arcan not Arcane. Arcane is something old and magical while Arcan is a Person/Unit
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 16:44:09 UTC Post #175013
Oh, so now it is because he wont take the meds? Dont you know the the companies that produce the medicine are faking diseases so they can get rich of it. Otherwise they wouldnt sell shit and would be out of the buissnes in notime.

Sorry arcan, my bad :)

How can you think America is the only country engaged in war? Atm 40+ wars are raging, but the media doesnt show us anything about it.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 16:51:07 UTC Post #175014
true, i hope everyone knows about Darfur. But the Iraq war is a country taking over another where the reasons for doing this are disputed. btw, heres a link i found on google. not sure if its true but it sounds right.

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/streiber/273/inf_stats.htm#
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 17:00:55 UTC Post #175016
84% of American killers are caucasian.
16% are black.
Not a single hispanic? :(

Anyway, I repeat: People with grave mental disorders have no control over their actions. They shouldn't be punished for something they couldn't prevent.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 18:01:43 UTC Post #175023
If only he'd found religion, then none of this would have happened. Cough.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 21:25:07 UTC Post #175043
Depends which religion... Had it been atheism he probably would've picked up a few more chicks for the party. Cough.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 23:16:55 UTC Post #175053
what about daedra worship :D or satanism :/
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 23:22:11 UTC Post #175055
:roll: himmeldonnerwetter... sigh

lol. With Teufelanbetung there would have been a sacrifice too.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-18 23:28:31 UTC Post #175057
Azura is all forgiving in the eyes of the Tamriel population, she would have spared this unfortunate fellow.
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