Satchmo, who claims we are the most powerful? Under-educated red-necks from the south?
Who says were in Iraq for Oil? Thats a theroy Satchmo. We are there because we had evidence of Saddam with weapons of mass destruction. Were there because he was gassing his own people for weapons testing. Were there because His people were suffering. Were there because one day Saddam decided to invade and take over Kuwait. Do you really think if it was for oil we would be seeing some oil by now? Most of the oil is in Saudi Arabia anyway, so your liberal theroy is false. We are in Iraq for democracy. The more democracy, the less threat. Those are why we are in Iraq Satchmo.
Dunce Americans
Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by
satchmo
Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by
satchmo
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 09:47:33 UTC
Post #176996
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 10:20:22 UTC
Post #177000
Its well known that one of the first steps in the 'conflict' was securing Iraqs oil supply, which made it a much more tempting target than say, north korea, which has fuck all resources, but people suffering from an even more crackpot dictator!
Get your priorities in order or stop lying out your arses.
Get your priorities in order or stop lying out your arses.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 10:21:58 UTC
Post #177002
Nice to hear that Gwil, I've been studing WWII for the last 3 years now in history. Reading about it a lot to on myself.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 10:36:35 UTC
Post #177007
Last time I checked, North Koreans were producing WMDs for all they're worth. Yet the US has a keen interest in the middle east, where no weapons or factories were found.
Don't they teach you spelling in American colleges?
Don't they teach you spelling in American colleges?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 10:53:36 UTC
Post #177009
Yup, the koreans are way ahead of Iran. There even capable of launching a tactical nuclear missle.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 11:06:51 UTC
Post #177011
I think the US should invade Ireland because they're harbouring terrorists
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 12:00:02 UTC
Post #177015
I think we should invade everywhere but canada. That way everyone gets to be an america without sneaking over here, AND with canada by itself we can still get cheap prescriptions and there won't be globalization. Because I HATE globalization.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 12:54:26 UTC
Post #177021
down with capitalism!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 14:12:03 UTC
Post #177028
DOWN WITH ALL ISMS!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 14:16:14 UTC
Post #177030
what about americanism
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 14:43:14 UTC
Post #177031
Were there because he was gassing his own people for weapons testing. Were there because His people were suffering.His post proves that some Americans are idiots.
As mentioned above, all Bush does is throwing empty threats to the Chinese leader and the North Korean crazy bastard because (1) China is too powerful to be messed with; (2) North Korea is just a poor ass country that has no important resources. Americans have no vested interest in North Korea. For all we care, they can all burn in Hell.
In fact, we probably should invade Hell next, since they must have tons of oil supply to allow eternal burning.
Let's send "The Rock" to Hell. He accomplished his mission pretty well in "Doom" the movie.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 14:45:32 UTC
Post #177032
Huh, more posts than "Now Playing"... wow, you guys must really hate us Yanks.. meh.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 14:48:17 UTC
Post #177033
Let's send "The Rock" to Hell. He accomplished his mission pretty well in "Doom" the movie.And if "The Rock" doesn't make it, we still have our California governor as backup. Let's put our politicians to do some real work for a change.
And yes, even some Yanks hate fellow Yanks. Self-loathing is in fashion now.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 16:32:59 UTC
Post #177048
How am I an idiot Satchmo? He was gassing his own people. I dont agree with the war, but we are there arnt we? And we should have some loyalty to our country which takes care of us, and took care of you I believe. you can disagree, but dont think your opinion is correct. Its just that an opinion. Not an absolute.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 16:33:51 UTC
Post #177049
About the Iran, North Korea and why America won't invade the right person, issue:
I hope that Europeans have learnt from the mistakes of Iraq and won't rush in again. I'm not saying that Iran will crush the US by any means but the problem is that they have a leader who wants to. Saddam Hussein went into hiding as soon as the US started attacking, he knew it was over. There was no military to even slow down the US of A, however with Iran, they'll put everything in front of them.
Maybe my view is too extreme, but I think this may cause some kind of WWIII or at least a very serious dispute, countries like China and Russia will remain neutral for a while and then take the chance to pounce on America. With Iran, China and Russia in front of America, they could have a serious problem. Hopefully Europe will rush in and save the day, ideally pressuring the countries by restricting trade.
I hope that Europeans have learnt from the mistakes of Iraq and won't rush in again. I'm not saying that Iran will crush the US by any means but the problem is that they have a leader who wants to. Saddam Hussein went into hiding as soon as the US started attacking, he knew it was over. There was no military to even slow down the US of A, however with Iran, they'll put everything in front of them.
Maybe my view is too extreme, but I think this may cause some kind of WWIII or at least a very serious dispute, countries like China and Russia will remain neutral for a while and then take the chance to pounce on America. With Iran, China and Russia in front of America, they could have a serious problem. Hopefully Europe will rush in and save the day, ideally pressuring the countries by restricting trade.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 16:50:33 UTC
Post #177059
Not WWIII. We aint that stupid, neither are they in the middle east.
The problem with the middle east is that America armed most of those country's. Irak, Iran, Isreal, Egypt(english Spitfires). As some of you might know that Isreal has been the cause of many wars in the middle east, wich was actualy a big screw up from britain with the Balfour declaration.
But, all of its surrounding country's have a hughe grudge against it, and this, is causing quite a lot of problems for America to act in the middle east as a negotiator. So, threathing with a invasion there wont impress those country's. Because they see the western world as a Ally of Isreal.
WWIII is very unlikely, just imagine the hugh crisis that would errup in the middle east of they werent able to sell there oil to America, Europe, or Asia.
The problem with the middle east is that America armed most of those country's. Irak, Iran, Isreal, Egypt(english Spitfires). As some of you might know that Isreal has been the cause of many wars in the middle east, wich was actualy a big screw up from britain with the Balfour declaration.
But, all of its surrounding country's have a hughe grudge against it, and this, is causing quite a lot of problems for America to act in the middle east as a negotiator. So, threathing with a invasion there wont impress those country's. Because they see the western world as a Ally of Isreal.
WWIII is very unlikely, just imagine the hugh crisis that would errup in the middle east of they werent able to sell there oil to America, Europe, or Asia.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 16:53:44 UTC
Post #177061
Yes, it would be a hugh crisis indeed!!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 17:01:14 UTC
Post #177063
Woah, when did this thread get so high in posts?
We aint that stupidYeah we are, if there's oil involved BAM there we are on claims on liberation. But there's no way that this will end up being WW III. China and Russia waiing for their chance to pounce? America is allied with Russia, aren't we? And if they were waiting for a chance to pounce they must be pretty patient because we have been fighting a long-ass time. Had Sadam gained enough power during in reign this very well might have turned into WW III, but thankfully we caught him before then. I guess we'll never know.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 17:13:30 UTC
Post #177070
Russia is a country still full of high-level corruption, people inside could easily overthrow the government if necessary, and plus, concentrate on the largest nation in the world, China, they don't need an excuse to get rough with America.
Anyway, did anyone read the news the other day on how the US won't be able to reach it's 2007 Nuclear De-Arming deadline? Why does no-one care about that and yet everyone is worried that some small country is enriching uranium? If they wanted, the Americans could launch a Nuclear Missile within an hour.
Anyway, did anyone read the news the other day on how the US won't be able to reach it's 2007 Nuclear De-Arming deadline? Why does no-one care about that and yet everyone is worried that some small country is enriching uranium? If they wanted, the Americans could launch a Nuclear Missile within an hour.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 17:47:06 UTC
Post #177075
Had Sadam gained enough power during in reign this very well might have turned into WW III, but thankfully we caught him before then.Yes, Saddam Hussein was a massive threat to world peace :|.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 18:15:48 UTC
Post #177083
People said the same thing about Hitler back in the day.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 18:21:00 UTC
Post #177087
If they wanted, the Americans could launch a Nuclear Missile within an hour.Nukes make a country look bad. Even if you were to bomb a barren wasteland of a battlefiel you would still look bad. Don't ask why, I don't know why, thats just the way countries seem to think.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 18:23:06 UTC
Post #177089
Perfect paralell Hugh, well done, I'm sure seventh feels mighty ashamed right about#
now
now
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 18:25:21 UTC
Post #177091
7th doesn't get ashamed. 7th lays the smack down.
7th can ban. See 7th ban. Ban 7th, ban!
(enter see spot run)
7th can ban. See 7th ban. Ban 7th, ban!
(enter see spot run)
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 18:30:43 UTC
Post #177093
America is allied with Russia, aren't we?So was Adolf, and we all know how barbarossa went.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 18:49:37 UTC
Post #177098
Of course Seventh doesn't feel ashamed jobabob, does anyone ever in an Internet discussion? No. The point is that if we just twiddled our thumbs and let Saddam get WMDs, then we couldn't really take him out without, y'know, dying. Obviously we won't know anymore if he would have gotten WMDs if left to his own devices.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 19:58:02 UTC
Post #177107
How am I an idiot Satchmo?It's nothing personal, but your spelling and grammar is an embarrassment for all Americans (or perhaps just the American educational system).
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 23:31:43 UTC
Post #177131
It's the american educational system. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for teachers. There is a teacher who just got hired and we built her computer account and she forgot her password after one day. SHE PICKED OUT THE PASSWORD! then we gave her a new password that is the same as her username with an A in front of it: ready?... she forgot it. Her username is her last name and first initial and if you add an A to the beginning it makes a WORD. FFS.
And she calls her computer "the hard drive" and "the uhm, thing" meaning monitor.
And she calls her computer "the hard drive" and "the uhm, thing" meaning monitor.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-27 23:40:51 UTC
Post #177135
First, you should ask her whether she remembers her first name.
Second, you should give her some "hard driving" yourself if she cannot remember it.
Second, you should give her some "hard driving" yourself if she cannot remember it.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 00:16:37 UTC
Post #177139
Anyway, did anyone read the news the other day on how the US won't be able to reach it's 2007 Nuclear De-Arming deadline? Why does no-one care about that and yet everyone is worried that some small country is enriching uranium? If they wanted, the Americans could launch a Nuclear Missile within an hour.I think it's because we're a much larger country and have a more respected background than Iran. It's pretty clear that it's for a purpose other than power, anyway. We do have weapons, yes, although we've had them for a while and haven't randomly nuked anyone. If we really were going crazy with our weapons they would have been fired a while ago ;P
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 03:09:16 UTC
Post #177158
Thankfully Russia backed down to your threats of destroying the entire world
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 06:40:19 UTC
Post #177183
Oh the irony.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 08:11:12 UTC
Post #177187
Ive said this before. I dont proof-read forum posts. Quick typing causes mispellings. Making an assumption like that is very stupid. Why would someone who is as well educated as a doctor think someones posts on a forum dictate their educational level? I had a fine educadion, got all A's in high school, and is the same in college. Maybe I have become too used to microsoft's spell checker, or maybe I just type fast and dont notice the error. Either way, it seems like a "cheap shot" way to come back at my statements I posted without actually addressing them.....
I dont think I ever look at someone's posts and come to a conclusion that they cant spell, or they are unintelligent.
Unless its something like: U hav 2 go kill da vortigaunt with 1337 shottie!
I dont think I ever look at someone's posts and come to a conclusion that they cant spell, or they are unintelligent.
Unless its something like: U hav 2 go kill da vortigaunt with 1337 shottie!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 08:14:14 UTC
Post #177188
Why would someone who is as well educated as a doctor think someones posts on a forum dictate their educational level?This is why I dont believe the rest of your post
Basic english skills should be a prerequisite for using the internet really, leetspeak and poor grammar/spellingg gets my on nirves
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 08:43:32 UTC
Post #177193
Prerequisite for the internet? Haha thats funny. Your dodging the issue here.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 09:26:40 UTC
Post #177201
leetspeak and poor grammar/spellingg gets my on nirvesCraked me up.
Anyway, what's the issue? Why the US is in the middle east? It's evident that a major factor when deciding (ruling against the UN, mind you : ) was the huge oil supplies over there, selling contracts to huge companies (Halliburton anyone?), but even if it was for the ideals the US claimed it to be, are the Iraqis happier now? Will they be in the future? Getting a country like that stable and on its own feet again will take decades, and the newly formed government will unlikely be accepted by its fellow neighbours. If the US pulled out now, disasters would follow, probably extremist groups quickly racing for power. I'm not too sure what I think the US should or shouldn't do now, really.
As for Saddam being in possesion of or building WMDs, was there ever a concrete threat made against the US? 9/11 ocurred, in no way linked to Iraq except for possibly harbouring terrorists, what threats did Iraq make against the US? It's quite evident that governments in countries like North Korea pretty much hate everything westernized and, I'd say, are a much bigger threat to "world peace" than the Middle east ever was.
These are just my opinions, they're probably wrong.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 10:06:30 UTC
Post #177210
Well they are happier. Almost all of Iraq's citizens were there when they were given the right to vote despite threats to them if they did. I honestly think we went in Iraq for some wrong reasons, but now what do we do to finish? Like you said ZL, if we leave now they will be taken over by the opposing factions. I don?t know what the right course of action is now, but I can say that I hate people who drive SUV?s, Hummers, etc. Argh!!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 10:30:13 UTC
Post #177213
Xyos, do you realize you Yanks braught the country on the verge of a civil war?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 11:09:48 UTC
Post #177216
If it's nearly a civil war, then they hate each other, not the US. It's not like Sunnis/Shiites got along before we rolled in, it's more like the Sunnis were in power and the Shiities couldn't do shit about it, and now that the Sunnis don't have a dictatorship, the Shiites are actually able to express their beliefs, i.e. that Sunnis suck.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 11:17:04 UTC
Post #177217
Well they are happier.How do you know that? Like pepper said, the country is on the brink of civil war. Suicide bombings and terrorist acts are daily occurrences. Sectarian tension is at an all-time high.
People are starving, people live without runny water and electricity on a routine basis. Students can't go to school, and adults can earn their living wages.
Is that happy?
By the way, I just can't take someone very seriously when they don't even bother to spell correctly. I came from an ESL background, so writing proper English doesn't come second nature to me. Every word counts, and I learned all the grammatical rules with blood and sweat.
People used to tease me about my linguistic errors, and I believe someone who is blessed to be a native speaker should take the time and effort at writing properly. Writing is a privilege, and grammatical error is a huge distraction for me when I read anything. I can't even focus on the content of the writing when the spelling is all fucked up.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 11:30:09 UTC
Post #177220
Satchmo, I take my grammar seriously when its relavant. I pay attention and type carefully for school. Not for twhl forums. Thats just what I do. Dont like it? Too bad.
As for the peoples suffering: Do you honestly think they are more unhappy now than when we were not in Iraq? Their government was oppressive, and was not feeding them. We constantly are sending food to all around the world. The people of Iraq are still suffering, but are better off then when we were not there.
An indication they are happy is that almost 100% of the population came to vote despite the threats to their lives.
There was always civil war there Pepper as hugh said. Im starting to think you hate America blindly Pepper without proper justification. Ignorance is unacceptable. Dont believe everything you read.
We dont bully any country, were not there for oil. Dont you think America would of siezed the oil and started pumping it to the US already? Oh wait, we didnt because were a logical democracy thats why. We constantly are giving aid and support to everyone! Throughout time we have been doing this. Favors, food, support, etc. Do you honestly think that we are evil and just go around causing trouble? Sounds like you do. THat kind of thinking seems like a child's thinking. You believe everything you hear.
As for the peoples suffering: Do you honestly think they are more unhappy now than when we were not in Iraq? Their government was oppressive, and was not feeding them. We constantly are sending food to all around the world. The people of Iraq are still suffering, but are better off then when we were not there.
An indication they are happy is that almost 100% of the population came to vote despite the threats to their lives.
There was always civil war there Pepper as hugh said. Im starting to think you hate America blindly Pepper without proper justification. Ignorance is unacceptable. Dont believe everything you read.
We dont bully any country, were not there for oil. Dont you think America would of siezed the oil and started pumping it to the US already? Oh wait, we didnt because were a logical democracy thats why. We constantly are giving aid and support to everyone! Throughout time we have been doing this. Favors, food, support, etc. Do you honestly think that we are evil and just go around causing trouble? Sounds like you do. THat kind of thinking seems like a child's thinking. You believe everything you hear.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 11:42:56 UTC
Post #177224
No, you seems to be the one influenced by the mass media. Really, telling other people are seems really ironic and short minded.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 11:49:40 UTC
Post #177226
Says the guy who evidently listens to everything coming out of the white house with naive blindness.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 11:55:57 UTC
Post #177230
How am I influenced? The media here does what you say. Its constantly bad mouthing the President and the war in Iraq. I agree on some terms they give, but they certainly do not give a positive outlook. Dont make comments about things you have no idea about.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 12:33:38 UTC
Post #177235
Especially FOX. Real journalism, fair and balanced.
I watch American news channels from time to time.
I watch American news channels from time to time.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 13:09:14 UTC
Post #177237
Do you honestly think they are more unhappy now than when we were not in Iraq?Actually I do.
People went to vote because they thought they'd change something, but can hardly happen when both sides where american puppets.
Dont you think America would of siezed the oil and started pumping it to the US already?They are trying to, but as you might guess with this terrorism it can't happen at such a large scale and that fast.
Seriously, why are we still arguing about something we argued about like a week ago?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-28 16:51:02 UTC
Post #177253
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/shoptalk_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002385792
Summary - Not enough journalists in Iraq = inherently biased information.
Summary - Not enough journalists in Iraq = inherently biased information.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-29 00:18:19 UTC
Post #177280
Jesus, are you people still going on about this? I'd have thought you pretty much covered everything...
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-29 03:00:02 UTC
Post #177288
By the way, I just can't take someone very seriously when they don't even bother to spell correctly. I came from an ESL background, so writing proper English doesn't come second nature to me. Every word counts, and I learned all the grammatical rules with blood and sweat.Agreed, it's not that difficult to type generally proper english even on a forum. It's harder for me to type incorrectly than it is to type properly =/
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-29 03:40:51 UTC
Post #177296
BTW, if you live in an educated part of america, you know that people take american news with a grain of salt. all it ever portraies is the negative side of life.
Thats not true just of the US media, the media of all your countries is generally displaying only the negative effects of the US.
really, do you really look at what good the US is doing. because of the sway the people have in the goverment we have to do alot of good for the world, our goverment is pressured. And the populace is the only reason that we didn't go into Iraq and Saudi Arabia and pumped them dry.
imagine if the Power of the US was in the hands of a dictator, thats a horible thought
It would be an ultra China. alot of americas problems would be nonexistant. but at the same time there would be many, many more. the same thing happended in Iraq, a dictator came to power over a country with no power. the little bit of resources his country gave him other then oil were spent on himself.
don't tell me that Iraq under US rule is worse then Suddams rule. If we hadn't ousted him he probably would have precured WMD's by now, like Iran. If we remove our support now the country collapses. Were improving them slowly, within ten years the goverment will be stable and Iraq will have a democrasy.
thats a big plus.
now all they need is grass to play around with.
Thats not true just of the US media, the media of all your countries is generally displaying only the negative effects of the US.
really, do you really look at what good the US is doing. because of the sway the people have in the goverment we have to do alot of good for the world, our goverment is pressured. And the populace is the only reason that we didn't go into Iraq and Saudi Arabia and pumped them dry.
imagine if the Power of the US was in the hands of a dictator, thats a horible thought
It would be an ultra China. alot of americas problems would be nonexistant. but at the same time there would be many, many more. the same thing happended in Iraq, a dictator came to power over a country with no power. the little bit of resources his country gave him other then oil were spent on himself.
don't tell me that Iraq under US rule is worse then Suddams rule. If we hadn't ousted him he probably would have precured WMD's by now, like Iran. If we remove our support now the country collapses. Were improving them slowly, within ten years the goverment will be stable and Iraq will have a democrasy.
thats a big plus.
now all they need is grass to play around with.
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