Instead of talking about Gays, you should have concentrated on Satchmos shortfalls. That always shuts him up. Its easy to defend someone else, but much harder to defend yourself. Attach him, not his ideals. He'll shut up I promise.
We're looking for discussion here, not a flame war. I wish I could remember what it was called when you try and argue a point by attacking the character of the opposition.
Right, on with the comeback to you maniacs wanting to abandon the poor.
Ignoring all the idealistic "everyone will be charitable to one another
happy bunnies" crap, which is the basis for welfare anyway, just less realistic, let's see what would be likely to happen to somebody, say, born to a family in poverty.
They might grow up into a life of crime. It requires no education or foundations to become a mugger or a burglar. That's a rewarding path for the individual and society, eh? Many women will be reduced to prostitution, as always. Great stuff, what? Well, we could always just wait for them to starve, I suppose, or gas them, or confine them to ghettos. Bring out the death penalty for all crimes?
Oh, but that won't happen, because their equally-poor family will all magically be able to support them, right?
As for the disabled. Let's take an example. He's rather famous, actually, and is very highly regarded internationally across the large majority of society.
Ohhhh, but he's disabled, so surely he's of less use to society than "normal people"?
So welfare systems aren't perfect, and people lie and steal from them. The world isn't perfect. Get off your bizarre isolationist utopian cloud and pay attention to the real world.
Q.E.D., pigfuckers.