VOX: Plz bring Bananas. Also, some philsophers will tell you that those bananas may not really exist or that you are living in a dream of reality or some other stuff, so really, even bananas cannot be proven. I don't think I beleive in all that, per se. All the same, bring them to my house and we shall eat of them.
Jobabob, I agree that in our world Mathematics can be proven. I'm not a relitivist, really, but my point before was that if there is no proof for science and no proof for God, aren't both on equal footing? With the exception of the fact that science APPEARS to be proveable whereas God offers NO irrefutable proof. I suppose people are satisfied with the illusion of truth.
I know that science and religion don't mix as a general rule. But to narrow it down, Science and Christianity do agree and science even proves much of what was previously questionable in the bible. Whether you think it's some sacred text or not, it is more and more becoming a proven historical text.
I agree that "the supernatural" sounds like a bunch of cack, and perhaps it is. But I think all the stuff with God proves to be different from "ghosts" and "hauntings" and all that rubbish.
I never said that you hated Christians (even if you did you could never admit it, because you think thier main iniquity is the 'hating' of homosexuals). I do agree with you that it IS a human right to love and be attracted to and have sex with whoever and whatever you want, but as evidenced by pedophilia, what is within your rights is not always right. And just because it doesn't seem to be harming anything now, doesn't mean it might not turn out to later.
I'm not just making stuff up out of the air, It is "things I know" just like what you write from. I know logic, science, fairly advanced math, and just about anything else they can teach us in school and in 4 years of university study. Just because i spend my sabbath in church, doesn't mean I spend the rest of my week isolating myself.
I guess I want to say:
1. I'm not just making stuff up
2. I'm not doing anything to sound clever
3. You're not the only person on earth that knows things
4. My beleif in God doesn't keep me from knowing things and from learning the scientific way
5. Islam is bad for the economy