Religion Discussion Created 17 years ago2006-11-15 18:41:56 UTC by Soup Miner

But this one hasn't? So why should it be closed?

There has been a billion religion threads and they've all pretty much ended up the same way. Why people keep making them leaves me clueless. Just close this, not because of the impending flame-war, but because it's just so friggin pointless and repetitive.

Religion A beats religion B.

What we need is good discussion. Debating religion isn't good discussion, it's just boring, and everybody is left hating at each other in the end. I'd love it if there was a rule against making religion threads here. It would probably do the community a ton of good.

Well, considering the community can't seem to find anything else to talk about...

Wow, you people are such fucking whiners.
"OMG THESE THREADS SUCK PLEASE DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION TO ME"
If you don't like the threads, don't visit them! Honestly, how hard can it be to avoid clicking a link? R-tards.

Well spoken ZL

But ZL, everything can't be logical explained, just look at the female brain!

Yes it can! If you want an explanation to female brains then blame PMS

And well spoken indeed ZL.

A good ol' thread flaming PMS would do me some good right now. It's wierd how there are absolutely no active female members. I guess mapping and FPS's don't attract women, even the geeky kind.

I think you guys need to find another subject that you can start long debates... except religion. Why not start a debate about politics or something like that.
I hate politics but it sure beats talking on religion over and over again.

Fourthgen, your saying that you would like some premenstrual syndrome?

I'm an atheist...

I belive that in the end it won't matter what we do. so whatever we do don't matter...

But I also belive that we should make this place in univers as free from suffering and pain as possible. So what matters is what you do...

So...

Whatever we do don't matter,
but what matters is <u>what</u> you do...

I guess mapping and FPS's don't attract women, even the geeky kind.

I'm getting off topic (we already are, anyway), but AFAIK there are female FPS clans. I think there's a all-female Quake III Arena clan called Femme Fatal, or something. Plus I've been on some Unreal Tournament servers where there are women playing.

But I think the lack of female FPS players can be blamed on American society, because we establish gender roles for a child at a very early age. It sucks.

Fuck! I have been coding to much in html...

As much as I want to blame the Americans, I think it's like that all over the world, Boxtop.

The very fact that there are all-female clans shows how few females there are, if you consider the fact that these clans are usually pretty small. Then consider how many female gamers you have come across in these games. You kind of come to a mini-conclusion that all serious female gamers are in all-female clans so when you look at one such clan you're looking at the rough total female population for that game.

However, that's one hell of a sidetrack from the topic of this thread. So I'll stop now.

I think you guys need to find another subject that you can start long debates... except religion. Why not start a debate about politics or something like that.
I hate politics but it sure beats talking on religion over and over again

I think you guys who keep complaing about this thread need to find another subject and leave this one alone. Disliking it is one thing, attacking it is another. Politics are no better. Either way, everybody loses.

Red, that's not athiesim. That's Nihilism.

Then how do you think we were created, if you don't believe in some kind of superpowerful being or force? The human body is an amazing system of intricate circuits and tissues, not to mention the power of the human brain. Do you really believe that, just by chance, a big explosion or whatever caused unorganized matter to form the human body, possibly one of the most complicated systems in the universe?

Evolution. Stuff grows and mutates. It's not random at all, it's quite intricate and yes, logical.

Anyway, if you say a god created everything, who created god?

anyone else find it amazing that some biological crap inside your head can remember so many things?

Evolution is also prevalent in smaller ways among humans, how people change in order to better suit their environment. Thats why native northern people are generally shorter, in order to allow a better circulation of heat. Darwin had seen an insect that had to stretch into a flower to get its nectar, and predicted that after time it would have an elongated mouth to take from it better. Such an insect exists now =/.. These small little changes over time change a species into another species.. This happens diversly for species because they are not all accessible to eachother to breed and grow at the same pace as the others. They then change away from their original form to suit their current environment. That is why the galapagos islands have species unique to anywhere else, because it is so secluded. This will no longer happen for humans in general because of our advancements in transportation, in where we can secks anyone from anywhere we want..

The creation of the universe is said to be by god. But, if that happened, what created god, and then what created who created god. It trails off endlessly.. Religion in general just claims their gods/god have always been there, and just is there. I just think, whatever created the universe humans cannot comprehend, and im perfectly fine with that. I just know im here to enjoy myself for now, and thats all I need.

People argue that there is a soul, and that it HAS to go somewhere.. You and your state of being is held biologically in your brain. When you die, your remains are decomposed and circulated for other life to reap the benifits. This includes your brain.. When you are dead, you dont care anymore, as you no longer have a state of existance of any kind. Heaven and Hell (religion.) might have been created to keep people in check. I believe in religious values, but not the crappy storys they use to tie it together.

As much as I want to blame the Americans, I think it's like that all over the world, Boxtop.

Well, the reason I say American society is that American society is the only society I've ever really been exposed to, since I've lived here all my life. I'm not saying I blame Americans for anything.

I agree with "Tosse" more than ever. I share similar viewpoints - Relegion being a group of stories to teach people to follow the right path. I believe people who think that the bible is 100% is insane, stories such as Adam and Eve to me are representations of other lessons to be learn't. Ever thought of "The earth was made in 7 days" as evolution? Perhaps each day represents a couple million years. The order is also very similar. We all have our own idea's on religion, which is why it is a topic so often debated in the world.

I've said it once, and i'll say it again:
Religeon, over the years has destroyed much more than it has created.

It is simply there for people too scared to face their own mortality who want to believe in something after death.

Dead is dead. You rot in the ground. It's not pleasant, but its not fanatical bullshit, either.

I actually don't want to get anywhere near this thread, but I just wanted to say that It's good to know more people than me know or read "Calvin and Hobbes"... Heh heh heh...

I havn't been at this site for like 7 months, and I have to say you all are nerds and have no life and need to get out more. Who gives a damn about religion or not!? I am a strong atheist, but my girlfriend is an intense christian! As long as you benefit from the beliefs then anyone can do whatever the hell they want. Stop trying to control the world. It's not religion that caused wars, it's people who want to control religion who caused wars. You are all guilty.

Religion is about control. That's the biggest fundamental idea. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't suggest that you follow it's rules to go to heaven. It demands that you follow the rules, otherwise you will go to hell. It's the same with almost every religion. Even Buddhism, one of the more sensible religions has a certain degree of controlling within it.

Another good book to read is 'The God Delusion' it's very very atheist driven but the arguments in there are all very logical and I think a Christian could probably read the book without getting too upset. I think I might post my teachers critique of the book, he's a very smart guy and tries to find as many pitfalls in the book as possible, even being an atheist himself. Well worth reading the book and the review.

This is not what you guys currently are discussing but I'm bringing it up anyway.

Currently in school I'm making an article about how fathe/destiny (that includes determinism and causality) can't excist because of quantum-mechanics and how you can make events in the big world go off by random.
An example is the mind-experiment "Schr?dinger's cat"

What's your oppinion on that?

Who gives a damn about religion or not!?

By posting on this thread, you just gave 'a damn'.

if you truly repent and are sorry for your sins you stand good chances of entering the KoG fourthgen. Once again,do some research before trying to prove something that you think is true because everyone else in your society thinks it is. always look at the discussion from two points of views and not just your own

Damn fools, The Da Vinci code is all true! Jesus was just a horny man, and Tom Hanks really did discover the truth.

BANG! - Life - Tv <- That little fancy story just don't cut it. If I make something explode I can kill things with it, it doesn't grow cows or anything.
This whole machine of life is to "perfect" to be completly random. I do belive that God created us, and I don't belive that anyone/thing created God. He has always been here, and "always" is not a period of time, we created time. Just look at animals or insects, they don't share the same time we do, some insects only live a day. And that means that their whole life time is one day!
Time doesn't exist. And I find it funny, that people actualy belive that a big bang out in nowhere created all this... But I wont tease you for it. I'll just let you belive what ever you wish.

if you truly repent and are sorry for your sins you stand good chances of entering the KoG fourthgen.

That's what bloody annoys me about heaven and hell and all that crap - no one would deliberately choose hell over heaven and yet most Christians claim that everyone has a "choice" to follow the "right path" or not - it's god damned stupid. People who don't believe in God don't not believe in it because they're evil or wicked, they do it because they think it just isn't true - does that mean they should go to hell?

I hope you see my point here - no one would deliberately choose the wrong thing if they knew what was right or true. Everyone does what they think is right - that includes suicide bombers and devil worshippers. Christians act as if everyone had the choice between believing in God (which, obviously, they think is right) and not believing - that's just not how it works. Either you believe or you don't - there's no choice involved (this sort of touches the fact that free will is non-existent, but leave that to another debate) and that pretty much invalidates the whole concept of heaven and hell. Stupid.

Rather rant-y response, but hey, I'm hungry.

Yet again, well spoken ZL.

If there is a God and he/she wants to send everyone who doesn't believe in him/her to Hell, so be it.

If he/she conducts business that way, he is no different than Satan.

Red, that's not athiesim. That's Nihilism.

Fuck, ive thought up somthing that someone alredy have thought up!

Now i'm off reding about Nihilism...

EDIT: Damn that was some bad spelling...

EDIT2:
What i said wasn't nihilism becuase according to what I said there is a meaning to live and all that shit...

And I find it funny, that people actualy belive that a big bang out in nowhere created all this

Seems logical to me, there is some small evidence that a big bang occured, but we have none on "God" creating it.

There's actually pretty much evidence for Big Bang.

I don't belive in science, it always proves itself to be wrong over and over again.

even people who arent christian can enter heaven...and Jesus never talked about hell? in the medievil ages people were afraid of the purgeatory not hell.

So? It says in the bible.
Another nuisance within Christianity - some Christians believe you should ignore the OT whilst some follow it thoroughly.

I don't belive in science, it always proves itself to be wrong over and over again.

Yeh, thats called 'experimenting'.

This is agianst Islamism ... or whatever its called again.
Its said That Allah knew everything about the past , present and future.
When he told adam and eve he did not expect there to be mayhem. SO it clearly means that Allah does not know everything , and is clearly very stupid indeed. Also if he knew about the wars in iraq he would warn people. Islamism is pretty awful.

oh sorry couldnt bother editing - I believe in Science. I totally believe In the big bang and dinosaurs and shiza. I think religion is a plan to destroy the middle east or make robots to steal old peoples teeth.

AH...what?

Well, Mr.Good Map, your very confused first post could just as well be describing Christianity.. not that it makes much sense anyway.

Ain't that the truth!

stop being so stubborn ZL and give me a quote where it says everyones going to hell. as for good map, its called islam. Though i don't know alot about it i dont think they had an adam and eve did they?

Another nuisance within Christianity - some Christians believe you should ignore the OT whilst some follow it thoroughly.

That's mostly catholics and evangelists.

Answer me this, if you believe the big bang created everything, what's stopping the big bang from creating a god?

I'm with Elof.

I find it more plausible to have a scientific explanation to things, simply because there's evidence of it.

If we take the Christian route, what do we have? Genesis, in the Old Testament. Keep in mind that other religions have alternate creation stories, so who do you believe? The one with more evidence than some words in a book.

Before you get all hyped up and whatnot, I'm actually a Catholic (retired, though) so I've been brought up on all this junk. I have a vantage point compared to those who've been brought up athiest: I've experienced both sides of the "debate" and I made a choice based on my experiences.

While I cannot deny the good that Religion does (various aid missions and whatnot, the comfort given to older people in relation to the mystery of death), I can't ignore the fact that Religion has caused an ambundance of problems, both in the past and in our current world. Our world has been shaped by the issues of Religion: take Australia, for instance. Thanks to some Religion (as much as politicians wish to deny it), stuff like stem cell research is only now being discussed as a viable thing, and something as trivial as gay marriage is outlawed here. I mean, seriously, wtf?

I think that if we live by morals, which aren't intrinsically religious, then we should be fine. Religions adapt morals for their own needs (and it most cases, change them). Abiding by morals of respect for others, peace, understanding and love should be more than enough to live our lives in. I must stress the fact that these morals are not religious: they're common to everyone, regardless of what you believe in. There's a clear distinction between what you believe in and what you follow, which is something that many people cannot see.

ok. lets just say.....each to their own. believe what you want guys...

See? Respect.

If there is a God and he/she wants to send everyone who doesn't believe in him/her to Hell, so be it.

If he/she conducts business that way, he is no different than Satan.

Statement of the year.

Only real G's can get respect. Real G's who got a bigger crew than the other pimps on the block.
Anyone got background information from the Koran and the Jewish bible (can't believe i forgot its name) about how the world came to be? If so please elaborate so we dont make flase assumptions because as everyone knows:

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups

the Jewish bible (can't believe i forgot its name)

That would be the old testament, or the Torah.

stop being so stubborn ZL and give me a quote where it says everyones going to hell.

Oh come on, one of the basic Christian principles is that only people who embrace Jesus as their personal saviour will see the kingdom of heaven. Can't be arsed to find a bible quote, but ask any christian.