Post your screenshots! WIP thread
Created 16 years ago2007-12-16 00:58:58 UTC by
doodle
Created 16 years ago2007-12-16 00:58:58 UTC by
doodle
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-04 12:48:04 UTC
Post #287665
Joebama, that's not the right attitude mister! Naughty corner now!
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-04 12:59:53 UTC
Post #287666
One thing to keep in mind is that Source is designed to run on any computer you throw at itYou mean source 2006 which has been 100% dropped by now. Oh sh-
I'll have to agree with Joebama though, i prefer goldsource to source in the sheer fact of simplicity, it's alright to say source is a great engine, because it really is, but to say it's better then goldsource often sends the message that goldsource isn't worth using and that's where the problem starts.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-04 13:39:05 UTC
Post #287667
Will y'all shut up and post a damned WIP screenshot already 
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-04 13:48:24 UTC
Post #287669
Working on it, lol.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-04 22:25:00 UTC
Post #287671
Y'see, the whole problem with this argument is that "best" isn't being solidly defined. Some people are arguing that other engines are better because they are more powerful and the end result can be of a better quality, while others are arguing that Source is better because it is simpler to use and can give a decent result easily.
And some of you are just ignorant, arrogant pricks. Guess who.
Source is simpler, and other engines are higher quality. Just remember that when you argue that an engine is "better" without explaining how, all you're doing is giving your opinion, not a definite ruling.
TL;DR: Shut up.
And some of you are just ignorant, arrogant pricks. Guess who.
Source is simpler, and other engines are higher quality. Just remember that when you argue that an engine is "better" without explaining how, all you're doing is giving your opinion, not a definite ruling.
TL;DR: Shut up.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-04 23:55:35 UTC
Post #287675
You seem to show up at arguments late all the time.
Where we already got the point really.
Where we already got the point really.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-05 02:06:22 UTC
Post #287677
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-05 02:28:54 UTC
Post #287678
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-05 03:02:38 UTC
Post #287680
I don't think person A should really give a crap what person B likes. I think both person A and person B should drop their megaphones and make some maps. (it is compo time after all)
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-05 04:52:15 UTC
Post #287682
^^ this
My intention wasn't to spark such a debate, especially in 'post your WIP' thread. With regards to brush-based editing; I'm not arguing against it's simplicity, it's much easier to iterate and develop levels using brushes than it is to work in a program that's designed for other 3D tasks, but the tradeoff is visual fidelity. Environment art development is being done increasingly more in 3D tool sets; don't be surprised in 10 years if the content creation pipeline for most games is done in a 3D program entirely.
My intention wasn't to spark such a debate, especially in 'post your WIP' thread. With regards to brush-based editing; I'm not arguing against it's simplicity, it's much easier to iterate and develop levels using brushes than it is to work in a program that's designed for other 3D tasks, but the tradeoff is visual fidelity. Environment art development is being done increasingly more in 3D tool sets; don't be surprised in 10 years if the content creation pipeline for most games is done in a 3D program entirely.
"Source is state of the art!"It is in some regards...please show me an engine that does facial morphs and dialog better than Source
Oh ho ho.
Besides my SDK is broken, and judging by what I have seen in the Source community, It's complete shit. Everyone seems to be a dickhead of extreme measures.again,
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-05 19:38:07 UTC
Post #287703
please show me an engine that does facial morphs and dialog better than SourceThat has nothing to do with the engine, it has to do with the artist.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-05 19:52:37 UTC
Post #287704
I'd say it's the tools to be honest.
But allowing users like us to do facial morphs is great!
But allowing users like us to do facial morphs is great!
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-06 11:19:20 UTC
Post #287720
A whole page of the WIP thread with no images? I need to read all of this, there's lots of words so it must be good.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-06 11:37:44 UTC
Post #287721
That has nothing to do with the engine, it has to do with the artist.Yes and no. Source is designed to handle high quality facial animations and integrate it into the pipeline (Faceposer) unlike other engines which would require animating it by hand. So, yes, in one regard it's artist-dependent, but the tools allow the artists to simplify the process and achieve better results...
Maybe I could have worded it abit better; the morphs themselves and the dialog are dependent on the people creating them of course. But I would say that an engine that simplifies the process to the extent Source does with Faceposer is 'superior' in that regard, it's much more efficient than hand-crafted animations for dialog in almost every way.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 01:00:06 UTC
Post #287775
you all remember nightwatch? If not, read the comments
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 07:05:59 UTC
Post #287777
Those comments are retarded.
Having said that, it's a shame Nightwatch is dead.
Having said that, it's a shame Nightwatch is dead.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 14:09:21 UTC
Post #287779
What is all the fuss over anyways?
Source is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of Gold Source and nobody can really dispute that with any kind of information or comments.
Source was just the next step in the evolution for Half Life just as Left4Dead is the evolution to Source.
It's basically the same code--just made better every time to suit the every changing needs of the artist, who, ultimately is Valve, not us!
Me personally, I like Source because of the ease of the input/output system. Not to mention ALL the over improvements that were made in the engine since Gold Source.
Now, having said that....there are alot of people who still like Gold Source for it's simplicity and ease of use. I too liked this feature because I really really hate source for all it's down time, internet hook-ups, and freaking constant updates, some of which are not always a good thing.
I think the only thing I would really change would be the whole open source idea that valve started out with. I really think that Valve has done everyone a great disservice by becoming more proprietary like Apple. And they do this little by little without many people even noticing. And that last update was more than just pushing everything to the orange box. It really did change the fundamental way mods are made which screwed up alot of people who did alot of work.
But there again, the engine really wasn't made for us, right?
Two thumbs up for both Gold Source, Source, and Orangebox!
It's still free for now....
Source is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of Gold Source and nobody can really dispute that with any kind of information or comments.
Source was just the next step in the evolution for Half Life just as Left4Dead is the evolution to Source.
It's basically the same code--just made better every time to suit the every changing needs of the artist, who, ultimately is Valve, not us!
Me personally, I like Source because of the ease of the input/output system. Not to mention ALL the over improvements that were made in the engine since Gold Source.
Now, having said that....there are alot of people who still like Gold Source for it's simplicity and ease of use. I too liked this feature because I really really hate source for all it's down time, internet hook-ups, and freaking constant updates, some of which are not always a good thing.
I think the only thing I would really change would be the whole open source idea that valve started out with. I really think that Valve has done everyone a great disservice by becoming more proprietary like Apple. And they do this little by little without many people even noticing. And that last update was more than just pushing everything to the orange box. It really did change the fundamental way mods are made which screwed up alot of people who did alot of work.
But there again, the engine really wasn't made for us, right?
Two thumbs up for both Gold Source, Source, and Orangebox!
It's still free for now....
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 14:38:51 UTC
Post #287780
Left4Dead is the evolution to Source.ONE of the, not the. But I agree, goldsource and source are both great engines. I enjoyed both of them.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 20:06:00 UTC
Post #287781
Fixed a massive VIS rendering issue the only way I know how:
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 20:33:39 UTC
Post #287782
Brilliant!
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 22:15:02 UTC
Post #287783
Oh, and I have a question. By today's PC standards, what sort of r_speeds are unacceptable in a Goldsource map?
Looking from one side of this map to the other, it peaks at 4600 wpoly.
I don't notice any slowdown, but I have a seriously powerful rig. Is 4600 too much?
Looking from one side of this map to the other, it peaks at 4600 wpoly.
I don't notice any slowdown, but I have a seriously powerful rig. Is 4600 too much?
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 22:22:49 UTC
Post #287784
Looking at that from the front page, I thought it would either be a ship in the middle of the room blocking the other side, or a fat cat. But that took me by surprise.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 23:06:42 UTC
Post #287785
Oh, and I have a question. By today's PC standards, what sort of r_speeds are unacceptable in a Goldsource map?Back in the day, we WON software users cannot handle anything over 800 or there will be disappearing faces. By today's, however..
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-09 23:08:19 UTC
Post #287786
I like it. But... you are going to replace that texture in the final version, right? It kinda breaks the fourth wall. A lot.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 00:27:46 UTC
Post #287790
It kinda breaks the fourth wall. A lot.He could be looking to add a little levity to the map.
...a fat cat.Don't give him any ideas. That cat's been around here so much, the next logical step would be for it to appear in a map.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 02:59:52 UTC
Post #287793
The fucking cat does it all
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 11:08:10 UTC
Post #287795
What I noticed with high r_speeds is that they won't necessarily run better on higher performance pcs. I mean, I think there is a limit to what Goldsource can render. Yes, probably 5000 w_poly will somewhat run on a high performance actual pc, and if you take a pc from 2 years ago for example, it won't run as well. But I don't think adding 2000 more w_poly will still run better on a higher performance PC.
At least that is what I observed on my own computer.
At least that is what I observed on my own computer.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 14:37:39 UTC
Post #287797
Fucking win. I gotta wonder how immense is the r_speeds anyway?
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 14:58:51 UTC
Post #287798
look 7 posts up.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 15:35:20 UTC
Post #287799
4600 isnt going to be a problem. closer to 10,000 will be I think.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 16:21:11 UTC
Post #287800
Skaajr's 10000Wpoly map runs on 60fps on newer pc's.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 17:31:43 UTC
Post #287801
I'm sure it depends greatly on person to person. Hell, if anyone can max out my rig with the goldsource engine I'll give you a fucking medal.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 19:26:04 UTC
Post #287802
Make a huge box to the limits of what goldsource can do, add a really bright light and texture it with 0.5 scale. Done. Now give my medal.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 22:18:55 UTC
Post #287805
Striker, I think you may have meant a 0.01 scale.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 23:12:40 UTC
Post #287806
Flickering lights makes the most modern PCs lag.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 23:15:02 UTC
Post #287807
Make a small room.
Texture it with 0.00000000000000000000000000000000 Scale.
Where's my medal?
Texture it with 0.00000000000000000000000000000000 Scale.
Where's my medal?
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-10 23:43:03 UTC
Post #287808
No medals for talking >.>
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-11 00:55:57 UTC
Post #287809
Wait, won't making a massive room cause very little to be seen due to the max render distance?
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-11 01:03:58 UTC
Post #287810
But of course you INCREASE it.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-11 09:59:47 UTC
Post #287822
Testing things for my compo entry; This part happens to be slightly inspired by the beginning of Goldeneye. (The movie)
Whoops, that's not supposed to fall like that...
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-13 21:51:42 UTC
Post #287893
Raven City engine test - (nothing is (entirely) final in these)
New blood decals & Blood decals appearing on models.
Different bullet decals per material & Spark effects.
Particle effect explosions & Dynamic lighting.
Particle water spray effect. (don't worry, water shaders will be implemented)
New flashlight effect.
Man, it just feels strange playing on this engine with low def models, when it can support so much more, haha.
Huge thanks to Andrew "Highlander" Lucas and Richard "Nameless" Rohac.
Man, it just feels strange playing on this engine with low def models, when it can support so much more, haha.
Huge thanks to Andrew "Highlander" Lucas and Richard "Nameless" Rohac.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 00:32:51 UTC
Post #287923
i didn't test compile the rc source code but that looks way cool.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 11:06:44 UTC
Post #287926
Is it possible to create dynamic shadows with world objects (brushes) in the Raven engine? For instance, the metal bars in the third screenshot casting shadows when you shine your flashlight at them.
I remember when I tried out the HLFX demo a couple years ago, I was most intrigued by this, where apparently light can pass through the transparent part of { textures and the textured parts casting shadows. I imagine some very interesting light play could be achieved through utilising this, which in turn would be great for atmosphere.
I remember when I tried out the HLFX demo a couple years ago, I was most intrigued by this, where apparently light can pass through the transparent part of { textures and the textured parts casting shadows. I imagine some very interesting light play could be achieved through utilising this, which in turn would be great for atmosphere.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 11:13:26 UTC
Post #287927
http://i55.tinypic.com/n32k4g.jpg
looks at netgraphis your computer that bad or is the engine that poorly optimized?
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 13:33:13 UTC
Post #287928
Joebama isn't known for having the best computer.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 14:10:32 UTC
Post #287929
probably his computer is like P400mhz with integrated GPU on board thats why he doesnt like the Source engine because his hardware cannot take it!!!!!
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 14:15:45 UTC
Post #287930
Hence my question...
Even a sub-par computer should be able to run a goldsrc derivative at upwards of 12fps when standard gameplay effects are being drawn
Even a sub-par computer should be able to run a goldsrc derivative at upwards of 12fps when standard gameplay effects are being drawn
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 14:54:55 UTC
Post #287931
Well that's because they simply don't.
Give me a gameplay video of a intel integrated running half-life at even 1280x1024 (A very low end resolution) at at least 30 fps, if it can't even do that, how could it draw 'standard gameplay effects' at even 1024x768?
Give me a gameplay video of a intel integrated running half-life at even 1280x1024 (A very low end resolution) at at least 30 fps, if it can't even do that, how could it draw 'standard gameplay effects' at even 1024x768?
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 15:43:21 UTC
Post #287932
Richard is implementing multithreading and a whole bunch of other features to make the engine run faster and better. (The engine is still WIP you know :P)
If it was still the way it is, then bringing a chopper down, would bring basically your whole PC down. But, My PC here sucks, as I had told everyone that my GOOD PC took a giant shit on me 2 weeks ago. So, it's possibly a combination of both reasons.
@Ninja,
My PC could take Source easily. I just don't like Source, that's all.
Mmmm, Boot Camp
If it was still the way it is, then bringing a chopper down, would bring basically your whole PC down. But, My PC here sucks, as I had told everyone that my GOOD PC took a giant shit on me 2 weeks ago. So, it's possibly a combination of both reasons.
@Ninja,
My PC could take Source easily. I just don't like Source, that's all.
Posted 13 years ago2010-12-15 17:57:08 UTC
Post #287934
New renderers (better than Source's)
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