Carving problem
Created 20 years ago2004-06-11 17:04:11 UTC by
Coolfat3459
Created 20 years ago2004-06-11 17:04:11 UTC by
Coolfat3459
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 17:04:11 UTC
Post #32472
How do you carve? Kind of a stupid question but I don't know how to make it work right. It's supposed to cut out blocks from a bigger block right? Well simply clicking the carve button doesn't work so could someone tell me how to carve?
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 17:07:02 UTC
Post #32474
all i've heard says carving is a bad way to get what you want... using the clip tool has less bad effects.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 17:55:40 UTC
Post #32477
Take your little block in your big block, right click the little block and select carve.
Not recommended. Clip, or create individual brushes instead.
Not recommended. Clip, or create individual brushes instead.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 18:00:27 UTC
Post #32482
If it's just carving a box, I think it is ok to use Carve, but creating complicated shapes you should build up instead. This reason is that if you use the build up method, you get the same result if you carved a box.
Also make sure the little box is inside ro going through the big box in all the views. (top, side, bottom)
Also make sure the little box is inside ro going through the big box in all the views. (top, side, bottom)
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 18:24:50 UTC
Post #32490
Carve is used so that you have 2 brushes. When they overlap, you select one of them, press the carve button, and it carves out of the other one.
Oh, and your big block and little block, your a big block, a big blockhead AHHAHAH HAHAHAAA hAA ahh... Thats not funney, sorry.
Oh, and your big block and little block, your a big block, a big blockhead AHHAHAH HAHAHAAA hAA ahh... Thats not funney, sorry.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 19:14:05 UTC
Post #32505
nothing wrong with carve. and i don't see what's "funnEy" about the big block little block comment. it's a perfectly legitimate way ofg sing the carve tool. it's just a little bit quicker than making a lame shape manually. personally i don't crave because i find it's quicker to make better shapes/structures manually. anyway...
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 19:17:14 UTC
Post #32509
Carving screws up texture alignment for the most part, and it's annoying to have to go back and fix your perfectly aligned textures.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 19:22:35 UTC
Post #32512
Heyyy.. Peach and LOve, your not being very peacful and loving, making fun of my spelling... And when you do, use quotes, as so
As I said, it wasn't
way ofg sing the carve tool.What does that mean?
As I said, it wasn't
funnEy, I was just being stupid. It is a great way to describe it, although I have no Idea what you said next.
I don't use carve. It messes everything up, and makes way for those pesky leaks. It doesn't look nice either. For those reasons I use VM. [i] Vertex Manipulation [/i]
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 19:34:45 UTC
Post #32520
perhaps i was being clever; or didn't you think of that :/
and you'd have to be a real tool to get a leak using carve.
the carve tool and vertex manipluation are used for totally different things. you can't compare them. so don't be a noob dude.
and you'd have to be a real tool to get a leak using carve.
the carve tool and vertex manipluation are used for totally different things. you can't compare them. so don't be a noob dude.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 19:44:45 UTC
Post #32522
Carving is the evil of all evils.... Make everything you need with vertex manipulation..it works out better in the end and helps you speed up in map design 
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 19:49:03 UTC
Post #32523
I avoid carve as much as possible now. In my first map, I used carve, and it fuggered it with tons of leaks, and as a noob, i didnt know what was wrong! So I had to remake it from the stuff that was intact. If it can be done with carve, Vertext Manipulation or Clipping can do it better! 
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 21:39:23 UTC
Post #32551
see Peace and LOve, people agree with me.
If it can be done with carve, Vertext Manipulation or Clipping can do it better!
Make everything you need with vertex manipulation..
In my first map, I used carve, and it fuggered it with tons of leaks6th and MOP are not noobs, they are some of the best, and have been here a loooong time.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 21:50:38 UTC
Post #32558
Yup carve can really screw up things. It can used, but it really shouldn't. Buliding the object out of seperate brushes and using the VM and clip tools are a better solution.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-11 22:02:00 UTC
Post #32562
so i guess my original post kind of covered it eh
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 01:58:14 UTC
Post #32582
the carve tool and vertex manipluation are used for totally different thingsNo they are not!
They are used for manipulating brushes into shapes typically other than cuboids!
Read the tutorials on VM. Don't carve.
(I also agree with BL)
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 06:04:58 UTC
Post #32628
"You can do everything with the vm tool" - yes, if you try hard enough - even texturing 
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 06:20:27 UTC
Post #32631
lol!
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 08:20:33 UTC
Post #32648
VM is hard to learn but it is worth the effort. You can create amazing objects with it.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 08:37:09 UTC
Post #32649
I used carving at least once in my earlier maps, its not that bad, however i would not use it for everything that required to but cut or resructured.
Anyway, doesnt the early tutorials teach newbies when making their first room to use carve to make the start of a hall way or something simular? It has been put in hammer to be used, so its ok in using it. Just dont rely on it for everything. Use it only once or twice, no more than that.
Anyway, doesnt the early tutorials teach newbies when making their first room to use carve to make the start of a hall way or something simular? It has been put in hammer to be used, so its ok in using it. Just dont rely on it for everything. Use it only once or twice, no more than that.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 08:44:02 UTC
Post #32651
try carving somthing with a cylinder It will really f**k up
It will really f**k up
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 08:48:06 UTC
Post #32652
I have tried that, stupid thing to do, nobody try that one!
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 08:49:59 UTC
Post #32653
I suggest only use the "carve" tool for doors ways, if you have a hollowed block for a room. other wise stop being so lazy and make the dam thing yourself.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 10:20:58 UTC
Post #32673
I use carve, but only because I'm too lazy to make 3 brushes for a doorway. I just put the door into the wall, streach it out, carve, and then make it 1 unit thick. BTW, what type of units does this use? is 1 unit like a centimeter or something?
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 11:43:56 UTC
Post #32682
So wait, let me get this strait, if you have a big block, just a normal cube, And you get a cube half the size of the bigger one and put it IN the bigger one. Which do you select to activate the carve? Big or small?
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 11:46:02 UTC
Post #32683
Ahhh! I got it! That's cool!
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 13:41:10 UTC
Post #32708
There are no units - and if you're still using carve to make doorways you need a good kicking
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 13:52:57 UTC
Post #32710
so don't be a noob dude.lets see the stats here. peace and love totalling at 6 days as a member, while brattylord making an impressive 186 days. so tell me who the noob is?
checkmate
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 15:37:10 UTC
Post #32737
Thanks Mini, and not too mention pretty much everyone else here agrees with me about the carve tool, exept about door as Kol has just pointed out.
P.S Pleeze don't kick me...
P.S Pleeze don't kick me...
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 16:46:51 UTC
Post #32771
Wait: I must confess I utilise the carve tool for the sole purpose of cutting windows in doors. After moving the door away from all the surrounding brushes. That and donning a chemical protection suit.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 18:04:53 UTC
Post #32812
Whether someone carves or not, that's his decision.
Personally, I don't use it. As with hollowing, it gives me too less control over the process and the final result. Individual brushes aren't so much slower to create, and finally they grant me much more control over my map. But that's just me, you can discard it if you wish.
Personally, I don't use it. As with hollowing, it gives me too less control over the process and the final result. Individual brushes aren't so much slower to create, and finally they grant me much more control over my map. But that's just me, you can discard it if you wish.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 18:12:13 UTC
Post #32814
I think that, the more experinced or the more a perfectionist you become, the less you will be using the carve tool. Clipping and of course vertex manipulation a the number one tools, because the result is always exactly what you want.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 18:17:02 UTC
Post #32816
another great habit of the noob is not to use snap to grid, but to immediately take it oof when mapping. messes up everything and creates leaks.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-12 20:21:54 UTC
Post #32849
lol.
Whether someone carves or not, that's his decision.P, we are here to try and help people out of their noobish ways and to let them take a step up from the carve tool. The point of the Genreal mapping forum is to help people, not only noobs, with their mapping. It helps to tell them not to use carve, since it sucks.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-13 13:23:07 UTC
Post #33024
OK, I don't use carving for dorrways and I'm not a noob, so back off anyone who thinks I cant map.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-13 13:31:32 UTC
Post #33030
you can map. You can map cities.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-13 14:05:52 UTC
Post #33040
It helps to tell them not to use carve, since it sucks.
Personally, I don't use it. As with hollowing, it gives me too less control over the process and the final result. Individual brushes aren't so much slower to create, and finally they grant me much more control over my map.Not since it sucks but since above stated reasons. Plus that when it's wrongly used it can create leaks or other problems/flaws.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-13 15:32:27 UTC
Post #33069
thats why it sucks. ITs not better than vm, the only way to go. carve is for new people who are learning and for time savers. also lazy people like me.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-14 22:06:41 UTC
Post #33438
The example map includes the set of tubes used in this tutorial, which you can experiment with. Just remember: if you can do it with clip, carve, hollow etc., you can do it better with vertex manipulation!oooooohhh...
by atom himself. saying that. HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAA!!!!!! I win.
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-14 22:31:07 UTC
Post #33441
What do you mean I can map cities. Is there some sort of problem here? Do you have some sort of issue with me and my love for city atmosperes? If there is a problem here then please let me know so I can beat it out of your pathetic MORTAL PEON BRAIN!!!!!!
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-14 22:31:59 UTC
Post #33442
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-14 23:07:51 UTC
Post #33453
uhh, I just know that you can map cities good, thats all......
(Or is it
)
bum bum bummmmmmmm....................
(Or is it
)bum bum bummmmmmmm....................
Posted 20 years ago2004-06-14 23:19:02 UTC
Post #33457
No, thats basically it. Well, I bet I could make a pretty good winter map.
Desert maps though.... booooo. Hard to make and not very fun to play in.
Desert maps though.... booooo. Hard to make and not very fun to play in.
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