Decompiling = Stealing?
Created 20 years ago2003-11-29 14:25:51 UTC by
Seventh-Monkey
Created 20 years ago2003-11-29 14:25:51 UTC by
Seventh-Monkey
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 14:25:51 UTC
Post #6018
Everyone's always arguing about this. Let's try and settle it!
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 15:10:43 UTC
Post #6021
Sometimes.
When copying or building onto a already made map its stealing,
if its for learning purposes ("how the feditk did they do that!?") its ok
When copying or building onto a already made map its stealing,
if its for learning purposes ("how the feditk did they do that!?") its ok
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 15:54:18 UTC
Post #6023
I personally think that it's okay in one case only: non-community maps. If it's a map from someone else, hey, why not e-mail em and ask? You're not gunna ask VALVe, eh, though, are you now?
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 16:23:51 UTC
Post #6025
I only decompile maps to see how various things were done!
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 16:37:22 UTC
Post #6026
yes, like i said.
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 19:50:54 UTC
Post #6051
...jobabob?
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 22:52:43 UTC
Post #6061
no but I agree
Decompiling is stupid, just ask the author first. If you think you can get any brush work from it then try another hobby, the only important part of decompilation is to get ent sequences. Which are usually so impossible to understand people just copy them ent for ent.
Decompiling is stupid, just ask the author first. If you think you can get any brush work from it then try another hobby, the only important part of decompilation is to get ent sequences. Which are usually so impossible to understand people just copy them ent for ent.
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-29 23:22:46 UTC
Post #6064
Decompiling....I tried it once to see how something worked...it did an ok job but the problem lies here: How do u kno if the person decompiling is trying to learn something or just modifying or copying ideas? Its easy enough to ask ppl here on the site but for the ones in Half-Life...
Decompiling isn't stupid it helps to get some ideas, check out how a particular sequence of events works. It can be very helpful. Perhaps a better system of decomiling is needed such as a 30 day decompiled map. After 30 days it doesn't work. (That isn't the gr8est idea but its a start). Ppl who wanna learn can and ppl who just wanna steal cant do it after a while.
Decompiling isn't stupid it helps to get some ideas, check out how a particular sequence of events works. It can be very helpful. Perhaps a better system of decomiling is needed such as a 30 day decompiled map. After 30 days it doesn't work. (That isn't the gr8est idea but its a start). Ppl who wanna learn can and ppl who just wanna steal cant do it after a while.
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 05:36:34 UTC
Post #6075
If anyone has better ideas plz post 
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 05:56:16 UTC
Post #6077
That is a pretty good idea, actually. Pretty impractical, though, I'm afraid: who'd implement it?
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 06:04:11 UTC
Post #6078
its OK to steal someones ideas, for 30 days!
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 08:00:46 UTC
Post #6093
Stealing or Not?
I think it all rests with the end-user: the person with the decompiler taking the maps and decompiling them for their own pourpose
It all rests with what kind of person you are
I think it all rests with the end-user: the person with the decompiler taking the maps and decompiling them for their own pourpose
It all rests with what kind of person you are
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 09:11:49 UTC
Post #6101
so if youre scum, its stealing, and if you're schnobby little overclass its ok?
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 09:39:13 UTC
Post #6102
I'm little, but not snobby overclass 
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 12:48:45 UTC
Post #6107
No, i ment what you do with the stuff after you decompile it - not your social status or whatever... shesh! 
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 12:50:49 UTC
Post #6108
Far far zombie! Thou speakest in such rhubarb terms, I wish not to hear them what what. Please closeth thine trap and cease your chuntering.
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 14:50:02 UTC
Post #6114
is rhubarb a vegetable?
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 15:23:39 UTC
Post #6119
Yep
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 15:43:12 UTC
Post #6120
cool, its called rabarber in swedish
Posted 20 years ago2003-11-30 16:06:32 UTC
Post #6127
you're called 'muppet' in the uk!
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-02 13:56:17 UTC
Post #6361
no im not! im called zombie. HAH!
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-02 19:35:09 UTC
Post #6394
you don't have any friends do you?
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 06:18:03 UTC
Post #6409
I think If you decomplie a map made be anyone without the author's permission IT'S STEALING!!!!!
Prefabs are ok if the author had no problems with it (read the map text files) and as log as you credit the author. eh?
Decomlpie to see how it was done?
That is what Example maps are for.
We'll that is my opinion and I hold nobody to it unless it done to me. LOL
Prefabs are ok if the author had no problems with it (read the map text files) and as log as you credit the author. eh?
Decomlpie to see how it was done?
That is what Example maps are for.
We'll that is my opinion and I hold nobody to it unless it done to me. LOL
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 07:00:56 UTC
Post #6412
Well....How bout giving credit to the author if u "implement" someone elses idea?
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 07:25:59 UTC
Post #6418
only if the map is an interface! gufaw gufaw
oh noone gets it
oh noone gets it
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 07:30:56 UTC
Post #6419
hey men u mix the words.its not stealing its borowing.since we r all cool and we have a common hobby.
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 07:52:46 UTC
Post #6421
It's actually stealing. Imagine a person who works hard to get a map done. And then some jerk decompiles and uses it. Without the creator permission. Imagine the creator's situation. 
Borrowing... That's when you have written permission to use his/her material.
Decompiling your own maps because you lost the ,rmf... Fully acceptable.
Borrowing... That's when you have written permission to use his/her material.
Decompiling your own maps because you lost the ,rmf... Fully acceptable.
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 08:49:23 UTC
Post #6426
it actually depends whether or not the original author of the pak...etc ses its stealing or they don't wan't it, but if you decompile their stuff alter it then its yours and so they can't bag you!
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 10:26:04 UTC
Post #6448
I do have friends yes.
its unethical stealing if you use 1 authors map for your own griddy map.
If you nick the idea and alter it... its not really OK but its less bad...
if you just check to learn, it doesnt matter! The author(s) doesnt really hurt by that, eh?
its unethical stealing if you use 1 authors map for your own griddy map.
If you nick the idea and alter it... its not really OK but its less bad...
if you just check to learn, it doesnt matter! The author(s) doesnt really hurt by that, eh?
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 10:32:03 UTC
Post #6452
its ok to steal your maps Zombie
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 12:11:28 UTC
Post #6461
if you wanna learn something i did(which i doubt) then go ahead
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 13:33:36 UTC
Post #6471
well thats the big problem. saying unethical on the internet just gets u a few funny looks. most ppl online dont care about ethicality, (did i make that word up?) i mean take a look at cheaters, hackers, source code stealing HOOLIGANS!... well my point is not many people really care what you think if they steal parts of your map because you probably dont know them and theres a huge chance they live on the other side of the world and will never meet u.
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-03 15:37:54 UTC
Post #6480
decompile my map and i'll find out where you live and come kill your parents
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-04 09:50:56 UTC
Post #6536
Good point Ministeve...
That is the major problem right there... people believe that what is on the net is FREE.
I believe it isn't, but that has a lot to do with how I was brought up and the moral and ethical values that I was taught by my parents.
At the end of the day, someone elses idea is just that....
Someone elses idea.
That is the major problem right there... people believe that what is on the net is FREE.
I believe it isn't, but that has a lot to do with how I was brought up and the moral and ethical values that I was taught by my parents.
At the end of the day, someone elses idea is just that....
Someone elses idea.
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-04 15:46:53 UTC
Post #6558
After all of this i really think that if you credit and let them know, (the people who's stuff you're using) ... everything will be ok 
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-04 19:04:13 UTC
Post #6578
Yes... Always is more polite to ask the author who will surely tell you how he did something and if you can copy it. If he doesn?t want to share his secrets with you, well, you can think of him that he wasn?t raised into some values and morals but you, who were raised in them, will not copy or use.
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-05 05:30:49 UTC
Post #6606
Honestly, I'd only care if a map came out with a huge chunk obviously ripped from one of my maps. Otherwise people can steal my ideas all they want, it's hardly something you can police and my version will always be better
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-05 06:08:18 UTC
Post #6613
Hmmmm. Maybe when u submit the map? have a checkbox that says : "I give permission for this map to be decompiled" or somethinglike that. It would save time rather than having to go ask the author
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-05 07:53:59 UTC
Post #6619
Just include the RMF in that case.
Posted 20 years ago2003-12-05 10:09:29 UTC
Post #6662
not many people know this but many of the top mods, for example, They Hunger, Heart of Evil...etc, just heavily altered previous mods, and valve wads
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-23 15:44:23 UTC
Post #13422
you as a mapper will be looked down on,
but if you did a good job, you will be forgiven
better hope that's a damn good map
but if you did a good job, you will be forgiven
better hope that's a damn good map
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-23 16:16:44 UTC
Post #13438
Since the only anonymous people who have posted are lazy members...
...a bloody good job. I reckon it should be deleted from the 'vault.
...a bloody good job. I reckon it should be deleted from the 'vault.
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-23 17:29:50 UTC
Post #13450
nono, i think it should be given a fair chance, and then if its crap.. be made fun of and ridiculed etc..
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-23 21:14:13 UTC
Post #13498
de_aztec wasn't made by valve you IMBECILE, was a freelance mapper
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-24 06:25:59 UTC
Post #13532
lol, good point
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-24 07:37:21 UTC
Post #13554
phase one of the bringdown
Posted 20 years ago2004-01-24 07:43:08 UTC
Post #13561
What you dont know of, you cant hurt of.
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