Read Me First by Andy Created 20 years ago2004-11-18 18:38:09 UTC by cabezahueca cabezahueca

Created 20 years ago2004-11-18 18:38:09 UTC by cabezahueca cabezahueca

Posted 20 years ago2004-11-18 18:38:09 UTC Post #73766
I haven't built a map since the Duke Nukem 3d days, and I intend to start again with the new Source engine. The "Read Me First" article by Andy was very good and I get the point, but could you update it on what is possible with the new Source engine?

I do realize that while the Source engine may be more capable, performance will still be a major issue.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-18 19:05:03 UTC Post #73768
Thanks,
Since I really don't know the limitations of the new engine... 'except what I have read', I am reluctant to rewrite that article.
The reasoning behing this is that when I first became interested in helping people with Hammer mapping a few years ago, I was surprised how many sites continued to publish incorrect information....
In most cases, the info was leached from 'expert' sites and perpetuated itself.

A few things I do know about the HL2 engine, and that is you are still required to keep within limits...
What those limits are exactley, I am not sure... But keep an eye on Tommy14's site... Hopefully he will set everyone straight.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-19 07:07:09 UTC Post #73801
Experiment? :)
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-19 18:08:22 UTC Post #73888
I appriciate that tutorial very much, but there is one thing that I do not agree with:
You used the gladiator scene as an example for what you cannot do.  It is very possible, if you are talented at working with the HL engine.  There are ways of working around the engine, like the end scene in HL were there are millions of grunts.  I cheated once and shot them all down with the blue swirly thing, they really died.  Of course with the time you have to stay in that scene, I could only do one line of them.
The thing is, the engine may have limitations, but they can be worked around.  It is a computer program.
Think of "The Matrix", a movie.  They could bend the rules while they were inside the matrix.  While you map, think of that, and try to bend the rules.  It is possible, but takes exteme mapping skills that I myself don't even have much of.  I've been trying to make a swinging rope like in the hit origional game Donkey Kong Country for some time now, and am making some progress finally, but now with HL2 coming out, all these things will be easy (Supposedly).
a Hammer is a tool. Use it right, and you can build a house.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-19 18:29:33 UTC Post #73892
My memory might be running low capacity but from what I can recall there were just 8 alien_grunts in the Half-Life ending scene..?

As for the gladiator thing: You can indeed make an arena - but it can't be that big.
And you can indeed make a crowd - but it'll look ugly as shit.
And you can indeed spawn 40 monsters - but the fps will run about 10.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-19 18:53:31 UTC Post #73894
there were about 2 rows of grunts, then the further back ones were sprites.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-20 22:00:09 UTC Post #74031
or monster_furnitures....

I like cheating things. Like the HL engine..... and the government.
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-20 22:02:18 UTC Post #74032
No, they were sprites.

Monster_Furniture would still spawn a model and thus render that many polys as a normal grunt monster.
RabidMonkey RabidMonkeymapmapmapfapmap
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-21 14:54:39 UTC Post #74102
oh, ok.

how do you make a monster sprite thingy?
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-21 19:45:40 UTC Post #74190
Env_sprite perhaps?
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-21 19:48:07 UTC Post #74193
i kinda thought that, but then again... :
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-21 20:09:15 UTC Post #74205
They probably had/have custom sprites that looks just like monster_alien_grunt.
Posted 20 years ago2004-11-22 17:30:14 UTC Post #74312
Bad expierences = strange older life.

Why i post this, i do not know.

Ello cap-ee-tan P.
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-25 15:21:06 UTC Post #74706
but... but... I shot them all down???
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-25 18:23:37 UTC Post #74768
the hell you did. get back to your cupboard.
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-26 20:49:52 UTC Post #74957
lol, i had to laugh when i read that.

Too bad, i already took the cupboard. Man, it smells in here.
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-26 21:06:32 UTC Post #74964
thats your avatar.
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-26 22:45:32 UTC Post #74999
about that....

OBEY IT!!! ITS TEH CHEESE!
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-27 05:46:24 UTC Post #75050
disobeys the cheese
Seventh-Monkey Seventh-MonkeyPretty nifty
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-28 12:35:06 UTC Post #75228
the cheese will haunt you in your sleep.

When seventh wakes up tommorow, he will find a peice of shit smelling cheese under his sheets.
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-28 20:23:10 UTC Post #75324
Seventh!

I thought we were in love, but you slept with... with... teh cheese!
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-28 22:02:14 UTC Post #75351
erm, another gay moment?
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-28 22:30:26 UTC Post #75368
Nooo....

everyone know that IM not gay, remember?

just a joke mista CHow.
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-29 17:35:19 UTC Post #75504
Sounds pretty serious to me...

/me backs away from brattylord...
Luke LukeLuke
Posted 19 years ago2004-11-29 17:55:28 UTC Post #75507
mista chow, just joking. Let it go. Let it go.
Posted 19 years ago2004-12-01 19:23:42 UTC Post #75842
but the chips?
Luke LukeLuke
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