HL2 @*$#'n game! Created 19 years ago2004-12-26 22:51:49 UTC by Unbreakable

The irony is delirious.

Saying that Windows is cheaper is retarded. All of the best Unix OS's are free. For example, BSD, Linux, to name a few. Windows is IBM compatible, not IBM based. In fact, the whole x86 standard which is known as IBM compatible is actually designed by Intel who developed the first x86 compatible chip, the 8086. Unix systems are superior to Windows in every way. Rad Brad should start using the facts instead of making them up. NASA do indeed use Unix. In fact, they use SGI Irix, which is a very effecient Unix. And who said Linux is friendlier? The only reason noobs use it is because it was originally developed to be easier. But you try telling a noob to install Gentoo. They will fail instantly.

... and you criticise peoples' grammar. You shouldn't start a sentence with a conjunction :P.

I criticise missing full stops, and people who use noobspeak. But I don't criticise for little things which nobody notices.

unable to properly spell and make use of the english language.
Ex. Americas illiteracy rate has raised greatly since 1950.

Ex 2. Jimmy is an illiterate and must be killed.
Do you understand?

oops, i didn't see page 2. I thought i was replying to ministeve

Come on...please!!! i really hate it when people use the phrase 'microsoft slaves' you only regard windows as a bad OS because grannys and little kids can use it and not just clued up computer wizards such as ourselfs!! Linux is regarded as so 'error free' because it is only used by proffesionals who will not screw with thier pc's to the extent that it dies! noobs wouldnt dare buy linux because they know its to complicated for them, but windows on the other hand caters for both the noob and the proffesional (this is why its so popular) the only reason there is so much bad press about windows is because 90% of the user base are complete noobs who dont know how to look after a computer and so post for hours on the internet asking whats wrong! I Use windows because it caters for so much more than linux and performs just as well technically, i couldnt do with the stress of compatibility issues etc etc. Im NOT slating linux, im jus bringinging across the point that windows is not a bad OS...its jsut used by illiterate twats!

Opps some illiterate spelling there

the only reason there is so much bad press about windows is because 90% of the user base are complete noobs who dont know how to look after a computer and so post for hours on the internet asking whats wrong!

I beg to differ. Have you never seen a technology news post on security vulnerabilities, standard inconsistencies, Nazi monopolism?

I Use windows because it caters for so much more than linux and performs just as well technically

No it doesn't :P.

Then again, Linux (*NIXes) aren't error-free either. On the whole, though, at least they are free. Not that my copy of Windows XP Professional Corporate was. Nay, perish the thought.

windows is not a bad OS

Sure as hell isn't a good one either.

Constructive critisism

But the thing is no OS can be totally perfect, maybe some OS's are less accident prone than windows but im speaking form my point of view here. Windows has never given me any security failures or stability problems because ive been taught by people who knew what they were doing. And seventh NAZI MONOPOLISM! why is every computer user jealous that that windows is so popular, if it were the case that linux - unix were supurior designed systems, dont you think that they would have risen through the ranks and monopolised the market, its not like they came out at the same time either! a lot of more years have gone into the development of unix - linux then have been for windows, and so naturally windows is still developing to utilize the best an OS can exploit. Thats my view

OMG Dread the thought, actually BUY software!!!... Thank god for that 'O wondeful protocol'

It does monopolise the market though.

security failures or stability problems

I find that VERY hard to believe.
Windows is marketed towards an ignorant computer user market, which is why it seems to reign over other OS/formats. However, if you look at current trends, Microsoft's domination over the market is lessening, which can only be a good thing.
Unix is the operating system of the Internet by the way.

jealous

Not sure where you pulled that from. It's more of an annoyance that a company can present themselves as superior to another due to their dominance on the world.

Yes it is true that the 'smaller guy' is coming up in the market, numerous factors are affecting this which include:

1. legislation on microsoft, stopping thier monopolisation of the market.
2. The workforce is becoming more 'high skilled' in recent years, (as you say microsoft is directed towards the ignorant computer user)
3. Lastly and which is of litle impact is the bad press that micosoft regulary gets.

Errm what do you mean 'unix is an operating system of the internet'? unix is just a regular shell based operating system that linux was based on. i think anyway, is my history right?

Sorry jealous was a bit of harsh word, all im saying is there's no point in slating microsoft because they appeal to a majority of noobs

Unix was the first real network friendly system, making the OS of the net. Most of the webhosting population is dominated by unix-like systems. With the introduction of the X windowing standard, Unix began to find it's way into desktop boxes, and since then it has expanded in both server markets (BSD-based) and desktop markets (Linux-based). Microsoft Windows has been defeated in it's own game (a desktop OS) by more noob-friendly Linux distributions that offer all the benefits and stability of Linux, but with an attractive and user-friendly X interface such as Gnome and KDE. With the right distribution, even a total noob can use Linux these days.

You know whats funny---> I started this thread.. and for whatever reason.. my post/replies are deleted... hmmm... lol

I don't remember deleting them. Maybe you should try in Opera :P.

On the NIX note, people may notice that more and more techie equipment are using wee little NIX distros, things like routers (mine included).

I'd be using NIX stuff exclusively if it weren't for:

1. My family all have to use Windows because most workplaces and teaching courses are oriented around it;

2. The fact that I don't know as much about NIX stuff as Windows yet and so don't feel comfortable administering a NIX system myself.

Even the compatibility stuff is becoming a moot point. Suites like OpenOffice can cheerfully use MS Office formats, and with Cedega and similar. Viva la revolucion.

lol seventh.

Windows is better hands down, KOed, END OF STORY!!

It offers faster acsess to all of my stuff, it is the most compatable OS, it looks great, and it preforms good, if you no how to tune it, you can cut down the memory usage.

Also Linux-users use it because it makes them feel "special".

No, just no. Unix systems are designed for more "intelligent" people who actually have knowledge, unlike yer average windows user. There is no way to really tune Win32 since it is already compiled. With Unix, you can optimize the code and recompile it to suit your computer and squeeze as much performance out of your system as possible. Windows doesnt look good at all. Its fucking tellitubby land, probably worse. With Unix systems, if you have the intelligence, you can do whatever you want to your interface. You can make yourself a 1337 little clock to a whole new interface. Of course you need intelligence for this, which Windows users seem to lack. And no, Windows does NOT perform good, compared to my highly tweaked Debian installation, which we will say is a... I know! Hot-rodded supercar with a huge engine. And Win32 is like... a rusting old Vauxhall Nova with a crap engine. Obviously the ultrafast supercar will win. Windows uses tons of RAM. Whereas, you can run a BSD installation in 4mb of RAM on a 10mb HDD.

Oh, and by the way, we don't use Linux to feel special, we use it because it's SUPERIOR. Owned.

Superior, like jam.

Alex: You could always partition, or grab a new HD and put a distribution of Linux on it. Dual boot.
Rileymo: I tried out Knoppix on the weekend, and shock horror was pleasantly surprised at its speed. Knoppix also has a VERY user friendly interface.
I'm going to get a small HD and put Knoppix on it. Best of both worlds.

Alex: You could always partition, or grab a new HD and put a distribution of Linux on it. Dual boot.

I plan to do the former; m0p, can one use both IDE channels and add a SATA disk/array if the motherboard supports SATA?

I gotta get a book on the NIX command-line stuff before I'll switch.

After you've done that, you can pass your extensive expertise on to me.

Heh, it's usually fairly easy to sort. I'll try and get IRC workin' and have a chat.

Depends on motherboard. On my motherboard, unless I am running in native SATA mode, I can only use one IDE channel, while the other channel is reserved for SATA. But I use my onboard Si SATA controller, which my Linux kernel supports, so I have never needed to run in that mode. And Ant, I think you will find that Knoppix's interface is the KDE desktop running on an Xfree86 server It is not unique to the distribution, most distros come with a version of KDE. And Ant, if you have any Linux Q's, just either talk to me on MSN, email me, post in these forums, post in my forums, or post on my shoutbox. MSN might be impossible at the moment since I can't sign in at all.

Heh, being as helpful as me whilst trying to convert people I'll have to remember you when I get time to have a proper look at summat.

I won't use it cuz I'll to do a bunch of crap just to get steam and stuff to work, I'll DL it and dual boot, but unless there is a easy way to make steam work, I won't use it as primary OS.

Perhaps the first constructive comment yet to unbreakable's prob...

Have you look on the internet for any patches available? I don't know too much about unix, i do know that it grounds for patches.

Is redhat OK? What about Mandrake?

Thanks for that, m0p and Alex.

Get something Debian based, Rileymo. Hmm, Knoppix and Gnoppix are good noob Debian based OS's.

Dude, these people have no imaginations.

unable to properly spell and make use of the english language.
Ex. Americas illiteracy rate has raised greatly since 1950.

Ex 2. Jimmy is an illiterate and must be killed.
Do you understand?

dur.

illeterate?

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Thx, m0p. I will DL The ISO (700MB) overnight, good thing I have DSL.

macs dont suck. the new 2.5GHz G5 brings even the fastest Intel or AMD to shame. and using 2 of them together makes it even more powerful. and dual 1.25 GHz FSBs. not to metion that you can get up to 8 gigs of ram. and that it has built in liquid cooling for each cpu, four cooling zones and 9 fans. wont see that in any other prebuilt. also that OSX is one of the most powerful, stable and user-friendly operating systems out there. the only thing that sucks is that they dont make more games for macs.

dont believe me? take a look at the specs http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance

No, the proprietary-ness of Macintoshes and general poncy arrogance of Mac users is what sucks :P.

Amen.

Did you know the CEO of Apple Comps. gets paid a whopping $1 a year, that isn't a typo its true. Read in my Geiness world record book.

I forgot to start the DL last night , got our new PC last night. Ended up being Gateway. Its all good though, I've got one all to my self.

3.0GHz P4
200GB SATA HDD
Dual Layer DVD Burner
ATI X300 PCIe (eewww!)
17" LCD Monitor
1GB RAM

The only thing bad about it is the vid card.

Question @m0p, does Knoppix work with dual monitors?

The G5 IS NOT liquid cooled, noob. It's cooled by the good ol' heatsink+fan.

@Rileymo: You need a module for XFree86 to support it.

I will get the DVI-to-VGA Adapter tommorow, hopefully I will be able to DL Knoppix tonight, and install it tommorow.

The G5 IS NOT liquid cooled, noob. It's cooled by the good ol' heatsink+fan.

damn do you all have to be so ****ing ignorant.
LOOK http://www.apple.com/powermac/design.html
see? liquid cooled. and even a single 1.8GHz G5 is still faster than the best AMD 64 FX55. and by the way im not an "arrogant Mac user" i dont even own my own Mac. im using a Dell. so im an "arrogant Dell user"

ugh, thats even worse.

lol if had more money i would get a better setup

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA!!!!!

A 1.8GHz IBM proc is faster than a 2.6GHz AMD Athlon 64FX 55!!!????
Whatever! Keep Dreaming?

umm well they proved it in multiple tests. remember clock speed doesnt always mean its faster.

Nothing they've done is original, just that their utter lack of standards means they can just shoot off and do whatever they want on their own without worrying about anything else.

well of course the FX55 was in an Alienware and Alienware = crappy prebuilt.
i suppose if you but alot of money in a custom built PC, the results would be different.

Dude, I read an article in Maximum PC, The G5 2GHz (dual proc) got owned by an Athlon 64 FX-51, not 55.

Now stop it, before you embarasse your self further.

what setup was it? brand of mobo? ram?
was it a game or some other program?
the tests i saw didnt involve games.
but i hear the 64 performs better at games but the G5 is better with multitasking. it all depends on what you use it for.

They were with every benchmark you can imagine, from games to math benchmarks.