Honestly, where did I go wrong? Created 19 years ago2005-03-05 12:25:00 UTC by Soup Miner

What the hell people?! What did I do?! Where did I go wrong! I haven't changed, I know YOU have, but I haven't!
What did I do?! I have not spammed, I have not hunted anyone down, I have not desecrated Half Life, I have not done anything wrong. And yet none of the users that joined around and before my respect me anymore. You used to repect me and now you're talking to me like I've never built a map before, like I don't even know what polygons are. Its bullshit, and nothing but. I've been here for over a year and I haven't changed a bit, and yet everyone seems to have lost all respect. I'll tell you where it started. The whole de_full_city incedent, WELL GUESS WHAT PEOPLE! I'M OVER IT AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO! I REALIZED MY FUCKING MISTAKE AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ACT LIKE I'M A FUCKING RETARD ANYMORE!!!!

Why don't I map for Source?! SIMPLY BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT! I JUST DON'T! I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY, I JUST DON'T LIKE IT! SUCK IT UP, ITS NOT AFFECTING YOU!!! AND YET YOU ARE GETTING ANGRY AT ME FOR DIS-LIKING SOURCE MAPPING! I HAPPEN TO FIND HALF LIFE MAPPING MORE FUN AND THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT! I DON'T LACK THE SKILLS, I DON'T LACK THE PATIENCE, I JUST DON'T LIKE DOING IT!

And all the fuckheads who have lost their respect for older members are making me lose respect for TWHL. I can understand new mappers and new members can get in the way of TWHL's good reputation, but when the original members start to be assholes too its just gets stupid.

Models, polycounts, the works. Half life can't handle high poly models? BULLSHIT. I look for new custom skins almost every fucking day, I KNOW HOW POLYCOUNTS IN MODELS WORK, OK?! Basically Source did was improve the physics and add a shitload of high poly models. half Life can take any poly count of a model, provided someone actually has a computer good enough to keep up with the poly count. Has anyone here ever seen a model that crashes Half life, not because of some fucking model error, but because of the poly count. No you haven't, because they don't do it.

Lets talk r_speeds, too. What the hell, again, people. If 800 is the limit then you must have to be running some seriously shitty peice of crap to have your computer lag after 800 r_speeds. And if your computer is that bad you shouldn't even be playing Half Life in the first place. I can understand how above 1700 or something can be a little excessive, but you're getting angry at me for building maps that max at 1100!!!! Big fucking deal! If 800 r_speeds could make you lag, then a flickering light could crash your computer! For the love of GOD, how many of you can honestly say that your computer loses fps on something like 1100 r_speeds?!

-I would appreciate it if nobody posts any bullshit comments on thi because I know you have a shitload of them like "Worldcraft Dude, you are an idiot. 1100 r_speeds could destroy the universe!" No. nothing, I'm tired of seeing people get desperate to support the bullshit that they were told by smkeone else who was also desperate to complain about something. That includes fucking up this first post with some bullshit editted crap.

What the..?

Dont ask dont tell or you're going to jail.

You are indeed right to be angry, I think most answers to your HL models question were too harsh. And you are right, HL can handle a huge amount of polygons, it's just a matter of what computer you are using.
But it is also true that the HL engine will have a much worse performance than Source using the same model. It's not only about physics and nice textures, a lot of things have been greatly improved.
On the r_speeds part, I think it's really not a question of how much does your computer lag with 1000 polys or 2000 polys. Computers today can handle very high polycounts, but not the same as 6 years ago. So when making a "Half-life map", I always make maps that will work with any computer that played the original game with decent performance. Presenting a map to the public that has potential problems in some computers isnt the perfect thing to do. There's ways to make nice brush work with control over r_speeds.
So 6 years after HL came out, we all want to make bigger maps, more r_speeds and put in more detailed models. And the logical way to do so is using the source engine, in my opinion I agree that we could do without STEAM, but source mapping is just as fun as normal HL mapping, both hammer editors start with an empty grid, and it's just a matter of filling it up. Slaves and Grunts are cool, but combine soldiers, cables and high res textures can be fun also!

WTF? He has split personality.

Maybe hes drunk.

...Well I can honestly say, you need some warm milk and cookies. :

wtf?

Relax - the important thing is, you've moved on.

Try to get out more and watch the world spin.

a lot of things have been greatly improved

It's a whole new engine, coded from scratch. HL1 is based on Quake. It's not just about polygons, there're millions of instructions zimming along in the background, written to differing levels of quality and using different features instated since the Quake days.

I wholeheartedly agree with Kasperg's sentiments in their entirety.

If you want to make maps with 1700 world polygons, that's okay ? if you're not planning on actually distributing it.

What the hell, again, people. If 800 is the limit then you must have to be running some seriously shitty peice of crap to have your computer lag after 800 r_speeds.

It IS true to some people who decide not to grab a better video card (e.g. me with a 16MB AGP card). I guess the 16MB video card probably doesn't like about over 1500 polys (not sure about the limit) and decides to give me about 40 FPS (compared to the max of 72), not to mention it doesn't like the 4000 or something wpolys on the Sydney Harbor Bridge map at all...

HL2 does indeed suck. HL1 forever!

Worldcraft dude...go outside, get some fresh air...

not to mention it doesn't like the 4000 or something wpolys on the Sydney Harbor Bridge map at all...

*HL? spoiler if you are very slow*

A good example. Compare that with the bridge in HL?. That doesn't kill peoples' machines. Anthony's map, ported to Source, would almost certainly run far far better.

In HL2 you can create great looking maps effortlessly, in HL1, it requires much more skill to create an amazing map.

Dude, get a life, its just a game community, no more!

In HL2 you can create great looking maps effortlessly, in HL1, it requires much more skill to create an amazing map

Is that why I take 3 days to make a nice looking HL map and 30 days to make a nice looking HL2 map? I think it's the other way around

Welcome to my world 'World Craft dude'

Honestly I agree that if you have shit computer, then you should'nt play Half-Life at all!

Your maps are good and huge is better!

Ignore the gay remarks on taking milk and cookies and getting fresh air although you are being slightly dramatic about all this I entirely agree with your reasoning.

Half-Life 2 mapping is equal to Half-Life 1 mapping but I feel that HL is special because of the hundreds of mods created etc etc

If this thread has any point to it then chill a bit and relax, think of your so called happy mapping lives and get on with it

how many of you can honestly say that your computer loses fps on something like 1100 r_speeds?!

Kol?

No problem and it is funny

Ignore the gay remarks on taking milk and cookies and getting fresh air

Err! Mate, never, EVER turn down cookies, fresh air, a long bath and or a woman.

Or all of them at the same time.

I think WCD has a point...
A lot of people have a habit of repeating stuff they were told without researching it.
Classic example is 'Don't Carve'.
Carving is a ton of fun, it is also the easiest way to get an error...

Question is,
How can you get better at something without doing it?
Go on... Carve away.

Same goes for High Poly maps, building websites in NotePad and the Browser you choose.

Don't lose site of the fact that it was called a Personal Computer for a good reason...
It is personal.

It is all about learning.
This site provides the building blocks, and it is up to you to go out there and stretch the limits and learn.
If the Wright Brothers had listened to all the dickheads, then they wouldn't have been the second people to achieve manned flight!

I dont get the high poly maps one.

All computer will take a hit running higher poly models in Half-Life!
As for the SHB, it wasn't exactly designed for a 32 player DM. It's being ported to Source as we speak.

but when the original members start to be assholes too its just gets stupid.

Hey, people can only take so much :/ - Enough annoyance from disrespectful members and other people start to get annoyed to an extreme enough degree to break. Everyone does it everwhere in real-life, even people who are/attempt to be respectful and mature all of the time.

Basically Source did was improve the physics and add a shitload of high poly models.

Wroooooong. Source is a new engine. Therefore, it's completely new code, a new rendering pipeline, as well as the VPhys/VProf system, an easy-to-use SDK for coders, and a vareity of new art content, including the models (which are LOD-controlled so they are high or low poly depending on the settings) and textures, which are detail-controlled as well.

A lot of people have a habit of repeating stuff they were told without researching it.

All too true. This brings us back to the 'don't post answers that you claim are perfectly accurate if you haven't tried it before' sort of issue, no?

The general point is, map what you want, when you want, and how you want. Noone's forcing you to make low-poly maps if you don't want to. They're simply trying to offer tips on how to make your map more popular and easier to play.

Bravo claps

Worldcraft dude,

If you want to share your opinion, do it in a mature way, not writing endless pointless points that is almost full of pointless words. It all seems, well, pointless, so try and get straight to the point, rather than droning on and on with pointless words.

I don't map for Source, and no-one seems to have a grudge on me because of that. If you say something like:

"OMFGZZ!!!! SOURCE IS FCKING STUPID!!! OMFGCXXZZS!!!"

people will not listen to you, but if you say something like,

"I don't map for source. I prefer the origional Half-Life engine."

People will not get mad at you

Ignore the gay remarks on taking milk and cookies and getting fresh air

Gay remarks?
Excuse me, but did you see his post?
Like half of it was in upper case...and why would you care if some people on here don't like you? Bitching about it only annoys me, personally.

Err! Mate, never, EVER turn down cookies, fresh air, a long bath and or a woman.

So true! Never, ever turn down cookies, that is for sure.

I would also like to add that i totally understand that people lose respect for you when you swear in every sentence.

I don't map for source either, simply cause I think hl mapping is more fun, but I don't go start "oh please feel sorry for me"-threads.

This isn't a pleading for pity, this is a statement. I wouldn't ask for sorrow from people who disrepect me.

and why would you care if some people on here don't like you

Why? Because its nice to have a repuation thats why! If someone respects you and you release a map people will go "Hmm, this guy is pretty cool, i'll give his stuff a shot". But if half of the users are killing a reputation everyone will see that dead reputation and will think "This guy is an asshole, helping him or looking at his stuff isn't worth my time".

I don't map for Source, and no-one seems to have a grudge on me because of that. If you say something like:

"OMFGZZ!!!! SOURCE IS FCKING STUPID!!! OMFGCXXZZS!!!"

people will not listen to you, but if you say something like,

"I don't map for source. I prefer the origional Half-Life engine."

I've already clamly said I prefer to map for Half Life, and do you know how people responded?
"Why the hell would you want to map for Half Life when there is Source?!"

They didn't mean to hurt you with that, they were just suprized that you were mapping for HL1 when there was a more advanced engine out there...

Don't take offence too quickly. I learned that the hard way

Still working backwards:

(another quote)but when the original members start to be assholes too its just gets stupid. (end "anoter quote"

Hey, people can only take so much :/ - Enough annoyance from disrespectful members and other people start to get annoyed to an extreme enough degree to break. Everyone does it everwhere in real-life, even people who are/attempt to be respectful and mature all of the time.

So what? you take it out on random users who don't even have anything to do with your problem? What the hell kind of way is that to deal with someone who's giving you a problem!

what?

If you ask me, you had some decent points in your original post, but you expressed your opinion in a very immature manner.

Also:

WELL GUESS WHAT PEOPLE! I'M OVER IT AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO! I REALIZED MY FUCKING MISTAKE AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ACT LIKE I'M A FUCKING RETARD ANYMORE!!!!

I'm sorry... did you call us assholes? Seriously dude.. grab hold of yourself.

So what? you take it out on random users who don't even have anything to do with your problem? What the hell kind of way is that to deal with someone who's giving you a problem!

No, but eventually it gets to a level of severe annoyance and you just start acting negative towards a majority of forum-members who are annoying you in return.

Hes eating too many of the happy pills...

(Meant as a joke, get over it)

He's talking about users that just start out disrespectful to people. Those users cause the victims to become disrespectful too, and I am saying, why are you taking your grudges out on OTHER users, if you are a victim don't try to spread the nightmare!!!! Your going screw the whole community up!

On a slightly less dark note:
I am grateful to those who underatdn the issue here(Anthony, Habboi, maybe BrattyLord) but I am at a great loss to understand [b]why[b/] the same users who have been treating my like shit recently still don't get the picture and aren't even making an effort to!

Then go to sleep, cool off, and logon later...

The inernet, specifically forum systems, are a harsh place X). Someone's bound to 'hate' you for something somewhere on the internet. It's not that big of a deal, really, when put in perspective is it?

Its not like you personally know them. Thast why im an idiot on the interent.

WCD, have you not noticed that most of the more sensible members here have solely criticised your somewhat inaccurate portrayals of the HL and Source engines?

D?j? vu?

Oh yeah weird :/

Danke

WCDude, I never respected you, so I couldn't've stopped respection you

Joking.

You're ok. Your city maps are a bit laggy though due to the extreme size...try something smaller.

This is what he wants you to stop telling him.

bah, If someone can't take criticism, they cannot succede in life.

Bravo claps

This is what he wants you to stop telling him.

I never stated, anywhere recently, that I wanted people to stop telling me that.

just chill out man.

who cares about what some people halfway across the world thinks about you?

stfu and get mapping!

Hab SoSlI' Quch.
Klingon.