Journal #5662

Does it get larger in width AND height?

Monkeys!

Stupid phone.

Yes, larger in width and height. And no monkeys.

the void? Or fucked up clipping, either way its going FUBAR.

That's more of the kind of response I was looking for. Any other guesses?

Does it have a athmosphere or any possible lights? Windows? Anything, otherwise its going to be hard to tell what you see. I presume the width/height ratio remains the same whilst the corridor grows in all directions(XYZ).

Just a blank hallway, expanding in front of you. Hight and Width expand with the hallway as it expands lengthwise.

Well then presumably it'd be pure blackness would it not?

Indeed, for no light would enter and thus nothing would be visible to the human eye. Any thing else a sensor could pick up? Are we carrying some sort of a divice that allows us to see X-rays?

'Well then presumably it'd be pure blackness would it not?'
But what happens when you put no lights in a HL or Source map? Think like a mapper, this is an experiment to how our minds work.

Then everything would be brightly lit. So whats your point?

Fullbright? But that's not how it works in the real world? Or is this a map based question? If it just kept going your eyes wouldn't be able to ever comprehend the small detail at the very end. Unless it grew in size that much quicker, in which case you'd just see a full-bright void. @.@

It's not GROWING, it just goes on infinitley. And this question is for an insight on how mappers think, don't ponder too much, just answer what comes to mind first.

you said the height and width increase as it goes on, therefore they're at an angle that keeps going.

Yeah, so we should just disregard physics and go with what the source engine tells us? And why are you suddenly so interested in our psychology? Studying something?

Brush outside world.

Or outside the clipping distance?

Or fail-crash.

I see the begining of the hall as it's end.

How can something that go's on for infinity have a beginning and a end? If it keeps growing in one direction it means it go's smaller in the other one. Beyond any measurement we know.

'Or outside the clipping distance?' Another of the answers I was looking for.
'And why are you suddenly so interested in our psychology? Studying something?' No, but I wanted to see how differently mappers saw the world. Evidently not all of us see it differently.

Aaah, you should just have asked, i see letters, numbers, charters and symbol sliding along objects whilst emitting a greenish glow over a dark background...

So... you see the Matrix?

Just joking mate^^

Well I guess you would see the expansion until your sense of sight gives out and you can't see anything further, but without a difinitive cutoff (in the same way that there is no difinitive cutoff for your peripheral vision).

... That's the best response I've gotten from anyone, mapper or not.

YOU COCK BLOCKED MY EDIT D:

Had the hallway not been growing (and don't tell me it's not growing after clearly stating that its increasing in height and width the further it goes), then you would be able to look down the hall until it becomes a single point in your eye. But since it is growing the further you look, I'm assuming that the rate that it's increasing is enough to negate the "point effect".

I meant that the hallway was'nt growing in a biological sense, it gets larger, but it is static.

Ah, I sheee.
I'm curious, what did other people say when you asked them?

I would have thought that you'd have to wait for eternity, as the light coming from whatever there is to see has to reach you, but it is an infinite distance between you and it. It's just that monkeys are better.

They said things like 'Nothing, because you did'nt say there were lights' and 'Uh...'.

Assuming it grew larger at the same rate perspective makes any given point appear farther away, you would see a square of nothingness.

That is also a valid point.

I'd see a boring hallway.

You'll see a floor , 2 walls, and a ceiling, all fullbright, But Since the hallway is infinite, you would see black(nothing) directly in front of you. Because there is no wall perpendicular to the hallway you're in there's nothing for the light to bounce off of, and into your eye. Therefore: 4 walls, fullbright, with one big spot-o-nothing

I just thought...
If the hallway is growing uniformly with your perception of depth, so that the hallway never shrinks the further down you look, then if you look perfectly straight down the middle you will not be able to perceive the hall at all. The "non-difinitive cutoff" will set in, and you will have no sense of what is in front of you. BUT if you turn or move to the side, so that you are not looking perfectly straight down the middle, then the hallway, then you will be able to see one side.
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This is sort of what I mean:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2777/iwin.png
Only a 2D represetation, but you get the point.

WC is correct, eventually it will all just stretch beyond vision.

How can you see the other end from an end if it's straight and going to infinite ? You can't, because it's too far, but you would end up there.
Because, for example, scientists presume that the Universe is not going forever. It's more like a sphere. If(abstractly thinking) you could go much more than the speed of light(so you could travel faster through the Universe),starting from the earth, and maintaining the same coordinates you would end up to Earth eventually.
There are strange phenomena in ourUniverse. Between 2 black holes curvatures of time may occur.
So yeah it's somewhat strange, but I think you would end up where you started.

This post is rubbish, nobody will ever read it anyway because he/she'll say ...

tl;dr .....

Your sense of sight would only 'give out' if there was an atmosphere in the hallway to eventually diffuse the light. If there wasn't, then you would be able to see infinitely far. That is, provided you wait an infinite amount of time. However, if you were going by mapping rules, you'd have to wait even longer, so you can compile the infinitely large map.

[Edit] Of course, what you see depends on the direction that you are looking, as WC said. If you were to turn around, you'd see the ninja monkeys who were sneaking up behind you.

Striker, I think you're misunderstanding the size of the universe. The universe has no physical edge, not in 3-dimensional space at least, so you can't "escape" it by moving faster than its rate of expansion. The universe is expanding, but the idea is that the edge sort of "loops" to the other side in 3D space.
The balloon example is great: Think of the surface of a balloon as a 2D version of our universe. As you blow it up, the size of the universe increases, but there is never an edge.
Edit: Read everything wrong, you had the right idea to begin with. My bad.

IF it goes on forever then there should really be no far wall. If there was a wall there, the hall would end, meaning it is not infinite. But if there's no wall, there is nothing for light to bounce off of and into your eyes, meaning you would see absolutely nothing.

It can't go on for infinity because it'll run into the edge of the map constraints, and you won't be able to see too far anyway because you'll run out of max viewable distance. You'd be able to see it all though, because it's just an empty hall and some idiot forgot to put light entities in and it's fullbright.

And this is real life I'm talking about.

lol. Yeah, because REAL life has max viewable distance and map constraints.