after you are done and i've added a final optimization pass, we should be ready for beta release hopefully, bar some testing!
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Aw ok then, Sir Blitzkrieg, the map is yours for the last edit slot
after you are done and i've added a final optimization pass, we should be ready for beta release hopefully, bar some testing!
after you are done and i've added a final optimization pass, we should be ready for beta release hopefully, bar some testing!
I agree Striker, we tend to work pretty well with our community collaborations, and they are basically flat structured very similar to valve, where nobody is really the boss.
Like you said, team mapping is perfect example, with ZERO planning, and it's turning out amazing, because everyone is pulling their weight, PLUS filling gaps and fixing problems where needed, without being told. (that last bit is just huge, and so rare in most workplaces)
If we continue team mapping a couple more times and better learn each other's true talents/shortfalls, there is NO DOUBT in my mind we will produce some truly creamazing results
Like you said, team mapping is perfect example, with ZERO planning, and it's turning out amazing, because everyone is pulling their weight, PLUS filling gaps and fixing problems where needed, without being told. (that last bit is just huge, and so rare in most workplaces)
If we continue team mapping a couple more times and better learn each other's true talents/shortfalls, there is NO DOUBT in my mind we will produce some truly creamazing results
np sir you'll still be within the grace period take all the time u need
Eaassy princess, i'm gonna rip your map a new one, you wait 
Np sir! i DID notice the performance is smoother from the last time i played it, so maybs something you did had a good performance impact 
Tetsu0, you are next sir!
Team_mapping_018a
I ran through the map quick, and i must say, i like the changes so far this pass. Even though they are compatatively subtle to previous passes, they make huge differences to the overall gameplay and prettiness.
I love striker's sniping loft, and that you guise split the hosties between the boiler building and the corporate office. The visual differences between this pass and last pass are just mind blowing, in large part to Archie and his swirling dervish of excellence..(i just notices your custom overly arch that is pimp sir)
Two more turns to go, some final optimizations and we have a finished map!!!
Great work people!
Tetsu0, you are next sir!
Team_mapping_018a
I ran through the map quick, and i must say, i like the changes so far this pass. Even though they are compatatively subtle to previous passes, they make huge differences to the overall gameplay and prettiness.
I love striker's sniping loft, and that you guise split the hosties between the boiler building and the corporate office. The visual differences between this pass and last pass are just mind blowing, in large part to Archie and his swirling dervish of excellence..(i just notices your custom overly arch that is pimp sir)
Two more turns to go, some final optimizations and we have a finished map!!!
Great work people!
Compiling Hotdog's version 018 now!(Hotdog i must admit i can't tell what you edited, but i'm sure it was awesome)
I made some changes as well, "shrinking" Cstriker's stairs to a ladder/fire escape, and added a window+ledge, so you can enter the TTH building from that same platform.
Also simplified some detail atop the TTH building(could use more) since that area is no longer accessible to players.
Compile should be finished soon, and then the map passes to Tetsu0
I made some changes as well, "shrinking" Cstriker's stairs to a ladder/fire escape, and added a window+ledge, so you can enter the TTH building from that same platform.
Also simplified some detail atop the TTH building(could use more) since that area is no longer accessible to players.
Compile should be finished soon, and then the map passes to Tetsu0
ROFL
the " duo partner" thing is interesting. Incidentally, GameBanana allows teams to participate(as well as individuals) in all their mapping compos.
It would be kinda neat to see what miniature "factions" formed from twhl could produce for a compo
It would be kinda neat to see what miniature "factions" formed from twhl could produce for a compo
I would love to just be a fly on the wall to watch the way things work. Sounds like the day-to-day might make a very interesting reality show fo' sho'
I knew it was coming
Pretty wild shit!
I guess it makes sense that the top fraction of 1 percent in there field would work better in a less-structured environment, but it still seems like it would be anachy at valve, specially with almost 300 employees, i can't even imagine
I guess it makes sense that the top fraction of 1 percent in there field would work better in a less-structured environment, but it still seems like it would be anachy at valve, specially with almost 300 employees, i can't even imagine
Go hotdog! it's your birfday!
Would you guys be interested in a quick rundown of the basics of editing a nav to be more playable?Hell yes. I searched a couple tutorials on the subject for c32, and ran away like a small child when they seemed wayyy too compicated ='(
I liked the last few simple ones like 30 brushes and texture pack, because they are so simple, but yet at the same time they force you to do more with less; i liked Hotdog's recent map from base minicompo for the same reason
"My Room" rats idea would be fun as hell, too
"My Room" rats idea would be fun as hell, too
Here you go hotdog, Striker's neatly packaged build is ready for you:
Team_mapping_017
Striker: I like your changes sir! though i do admit that stairwell might be better handled like a fire escape stairwell and/or ladder. I also think we should make a connection from the TTH shipping building to archies office--i see you've got doors there already =)--, but that's just my opinion. (presently you CAN jump from the roof of TTH building into the office)
Also, that tunnel sure looks impressive from the hammer screen! I care less about the vvis time and more about how it impacted the fps for the rest of the map. When you get time, send me a link to your underground bits, and i'll see about integrating it at the end
Also Archie maybe you could upload your .radfile, so the other peeps can get the most out of the -textureshadows paramater?
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Striker: I like your changes sir! though i do admit that stairwell might be better handled like a fire escape stairwell and/or ladder. I also think we should make a connection from the TTH shipping building to archies office--i see you've got doors there already =)--, but that's just my opinion. (presently you CAN jump from the roof of TTH building into the office)
Also, that tunnel sure looks impressive from the hammer screen! I care less about the vvis time and more about how it impacted the fps for the rest of the map. When you get time, send me a link to your underground bits, and i'll see about integrating it at the end
You're a bit behind the times there, Striker.Yes, you can criticize striker for not reading the thread, but he could criticize you for not including the .log file(as per the rules) with your build, and he could have seen the vrad paramaters used first hand
Oh... well, this thread is big isn't it? tongue -
Also Archie maybe you could upload your .radfile, so the other peeps can get the most out of the -textureshadows paramater?
yup hotdog you're up next, and then tetsu0 and Blitz, but if you're too sick feel free to pass and we can bump you to the end
that building is in the 3dskybox and pretty far off, so the texture should appear smaller, but you may be right still
i get them in my own maps with no visible errors in the game as well.
Hah blitz that is neat, so it's mostly just the skate park? (obv you could do the whole boardwalk in the skybox, and one of those huge wooden piers you see surfers by would be awesome)
Cstriker: like wha? you shouldn't really have any errors afaik, though i know i get those weird ones pertaining to materials and missing surfaceprop vmt thingies almost everytime i compile fsr.
Cstriker: like wha? you shouldn't really have any errors afaik, though i know i get those weird ones pertaining to materials and missing surfaceprop vmt thingies almost everytime i compile fsr.
Oh i've never played that, but it reminds me of scenes from califonication(which takes place in venice beach alot), and i've actually been there once for a couple hours when i had like a day layover at LAX.
i'm looking up screens now.
i'm looking up screens now.
Ha blitz i've always "approved" of your work are you kidding me? your work alone in this project is sensational
That TWHL decal/overlay you made makes me want to build a venice beach map, i'm not kidding =P
That TWHL decal/overlay you made makes me want to build a venice beach map, i'm not kidding =P
Np ninja. Your great work on your previous passes sir is substantial and defines the map. Just really impressive stuff sir.
This has been great fun, and just to remind everyone: this whole team mapping project was ninja's idea
Cstriker you are up sir! Here is Archie's Edit again if you don't already have it.
This has been great fun, and just to remind everyone: this whole team mapping project was ninja's idea
Cstriker you are up sir! Here is Archie's Edit again if you don't already have it.
Hah that last one is great Blitz! NOW we have to build a boardwalk
I'm going to caution everyone at this point about adding propmodels to the outside of the map. Here is one example:
Team_Mapping_015
Team_Mapping_016
Notice the fps has dropped 26 frames since the last version, and we have 5 more edits to go.
The area depicted above and some others are(most of the outdoors actually) are pretty dicey fps-wise at this point. (opposite ct spawn to the middle of the street intersection is sketch, as well behind the building with the leaf piles, when you exit the boiler room from the side door, all the way over to the crates by urby's edit it's sub-50 fps)
In light of this, i'm going to ask everyone to play the bsp before editing, so you can see firsthand which areas are laggy, and avoid adding detail and propmodels in those places.
Lastly, i've yet to add areaportals and final optimizations(which will happen at the end), so we may be able to maintain good fps without removing anything, just everyone pleeze be careful on how much more models you add to the map
@Archie: i keep running through your edit and i just keep involuntarily saying "WOW" and "HOLY $#@! and getting boners. this is some hot shit, and Tet is gonna cream when he sees what you've done to his boiler room
Plus, the fog+hdr look simply amazing, especially viewd through the building windows right at the sun, it's surreal-looking! =P
Damn-fine stuff sir, you rock!
Team_Mapping_015
Team_Mapping_016
Notice the fps has dropped 26 frames since the last version, and we have 5 more edits to go.
The area depicted above and some others are(most of the outdoors actually) are pretty dicey fps-wise at this point. (opposite ct spawn to the middle of the street intersection is sketch, as well behind the building with the leaf piles, when you exit the boiler room from the side door, all the way over to the crates by urby's edit it's sub-50 fps)
In light of this, i'm going to ask everyone to play the bsp before editing, so you can see firsthand which areas are laggy, and avoid adding detail and propmodels in those places.
Lastly, i've yet to add areaportals and final optimizations(which will happen at the end), so we may be able to maintain good fps without removing anything, just everyone pleeze be careful on how much more models you add to the map
@Archie: i keep running through your edit and i just keep involuntarily saying "WOW" and "HOLY $#@! and getting boners. this is some hot shit, and Tet is gonna cream when he sees what you've done to his boiler room
Plus, the fog+hdr look simply amazing, especially viewd through the building windows right at the sun, it's surreal-looking! =P
Damn-fine stuff sir, you rock!
holy balls sir! you continue to outdo yourself every pass, just incredible work Arch!
Everyone really, you've just been incredible; I'm running out of ways to compliment you-all you've just been plain awesome 
Ninja you're up next sir! =]
Everyone really, you've just been incredible; I'm running out of ways to compliment you-all you've just been plain awesome
Ninja you're up next sir! =]
Absolutely Archie. since i got the map to you late, take all the time you need to finish your slot
Looks amazing Archie! Tet's room looks great and you did a really good job with the 3dsky and preserving the pretty light beams
Also, a big Thank-You for sorting those problems i left for you
So you're saying what caused that is trying to scale entites! Well thanks for clearing that up for me The only reason i really though is was kosher is that the overlays seemed to scale, so i thought they were meant to.
Also last version i posted i didn't see any of the "contents solid" or "portal-thingie" errors, but now those crazy-big bounding boxes i was seeing make sense. team_mapping_015.log
Really beautiful stuff sir! I'm amazed at how efficient your workflow is; you map like 4-times faster than i do
Also, a big Thank-You for sorting those problems i left for you
It had so many entities with their origins outside the map boundariesYa i was wondering about that, and that was one of the big errors i was getting earlier in the day with inexplicable leaks outside world, but nothing was there.
So you're saying what caused that is trying to scale entites! Well thanks for clearing that up for me
The only reason i really though is was kosher is that the overlays seemed to scale, so i thought they were meant to.Also last version i posted i didn't see any of the "contents solid" or "portal-thingie" errors, but now those crazy-big bounding boxes i was seeing make sense. team_mapping_015.log
Really beautiful stuff sir! I'm amazed at how efficient your workflow is; you map like 4-times faster than i do
i don't think so ninja, but if you want to view the progreess you can by making a shortcut to the .log file, and periodically open it to see how far it's gotten.
whats a matter btw, you having long compiles?
Archie: Oh and i forgot sir, all my hastily-thrown-in buildings in the 3dskybox are blocking all the pretty light rays!!
Pleease work your magic there if you don't mind. (delete all those nasty 3dsky buidlings if you like)
Edit
The link i posted for archie somehow contains the wrong bsp(with no vvis/vrad). Here is the updated archive with the proper bsp:
Download Team_mapping_015a
Sorry!
whats a matter btw, you having long compiles?
Archie: Oh and i forgot sir, all my hastily-thrown-in buildings in the 3dskybox are blocking all the pretty light rays!!
Pleease work your magic there if you don't mind. (delete all those nasty 3dsky buidlings if you like) Edit
The link i posted for archie somehow contains the wrong bsp(with no vvis/vrad). Here is the updated archive with the proper bsp:
Download Team_mapping_015a
Sorry!
Ok Arch, i am Sincerly Sorry for making you wait so long... Here it is finally:
Team_mapping_015
Most of my time was spent fixing errors caused by adding the 3dskybox and some other hiccups, rather than adding any visible content, unfortunately. Done in this version:
+Added some inaccessible areas like the entrance ramp and and the opposite roadway to 3dskybox
+nodraw'd +5000 faces
+optimized skybox
+added some clippin(needs more)
+added viewdistance values for all propmodels(some still need to be raised)
Note
I literally threw in some buildings in the 3dskybox just so there is something in there. FEEL FREE to change and and all stuff i there
Hotdog: I changed your poster textures to "UnlitGeneric" so they would appear lit in the 3dsky, but fsr they still seem unlit. Sorry!
Team_mapping_015
Most of my time was spent fixing errors caused by adding the 3dskybox and some other hiccups, rather than adding any visible content, unfortunately. Done in this version:
+Added some inaccessible areas like the entrance ramp and and the opposite roadway to 3dskybox
+nodraw'd +5000 faces
+optimized skybox
+added some clippin(needs more)
+added viewdistance values for all propmodels(some still need to be raised)
Note
I literally threw in some buildings in the 3dskybox just so there is something in there. FEEL FREE to change and and all stuff i there
Hotdog: I changed your poster textures to "UnlitGeneric" so they would appear lit in the 3dsky, but fsr they still seem unlit. Sorry!
yes sir there are, and i greatly aplogize for the dealy...
this new one i'm about to pass u includes clipping and more skybox optimization.
this new one i'm about to pass u includes clipping and more skybox optimization.
i'm still working on the map sir.
Having a heap of trouble with errors and the 3dskybox. Gonna try one more thing and if it doesn't work, i'll pass it on to you
Having a heap of trouble with errors and the 3dskybox. Gonna try one more thing and if it doesn't work, i'll pass it on to you
Question 1
I'm having a problem lately with all my overlays "dying in xen", anytime i move or clip a brush with an info_overlay on them.
Usually, i just select the overlay(s) and click the brush they are on, and they show up again, this doesn't work, and they are weirdly left with a huge bounding box around them fsr..
Is there a way to "refresh" them when the get screwed up this way, or do they have to be reapplied from scratch?
Question 2
Are overlays scalable for a 3dskybox? i could of sworn i tried scaling them down to .0625 and they worked perfectly, but now they don't seem to ;(
I'm having a problem lately with all my overlays "dying in xen", anytime i move or clip a brush with an info_overlay on them.
Usually, i just select the overlay(s) and click the brush they are on, and they show up again, this doesn't work, and they are weirdly left with a huge bounding box around them fsr..
Is there a way to "refresh" them when the get screwed up this way, or do they have to be reapplied from scratch?
Question 2
Are overlays scalable for a 3dskybox? i could of sworn i tried scaling them down to .0625 and they worked perfectly, but now they don't seem to ;(
wow what a pretty garden Muzz, i bet she enjoyed hunting things back there =)
Beautiful Arch that's perfect
Ok Archie plan on beginning your slot for the third pass on saturday.
I'll do my best to finish up the optimizations plus some extra stuff by then
Also for the third pass, i'm gonna ask everybody to pm me your preferred method of contact (pm,email,subspace frequency), and i'll try to send out reminders when your slot becomes available.
Remember, you have 12 hours to confirm in the thread you've started once the mapper ahead of you posts his edit in the thread. After that, the next guy in the queue becomes "activated", and you are moved to the end of the queue.
Last, i'm going to ask everyone to read the Guidelines again, so we're all on the same page. If anyone would like to see changes in the guidelines, NOW is the time to bring it up!
I'll do my best to finish up the optimizations plus some extra stuff by then
Also for the third pass, i'm gonna ask everybody to pm me your preferred method of contact (pm,email,subspace frequency), and i'll try to send out reminders when your slot becomes available.
Remember, you have 12 hours to confirm in the thread you've started once the mapper ahead of you posts his edit in the thread. After that, the next guy in the queue becomes "activated", and you are moved to the end of the queue.
Last, i'm going to ask everyone to read the Guidelines again, so we're all on the same page. If anyone would like to see changes in the guidelines, NOW is the time to bring it up!
Agreed you are probably right. If that is the case then, we should definitely simplify some of the detail up there
And by ninja don't you mean zeeba? Err, you know wat i mean
Note
Just noticing from the screens i have to increase the fade distance for a few of the major models like the TTH sign and the water tower, and there are still some nodrawn faces that shouldn't be that i need to fix
KK i'm going to bed night all =)
And by ninja don't you mean zeeba? Err, you know wat i mean
Note
Just noticing from the screens i have to increase the fade distance for a few of the major models like the TTH sign and the water tower, and there are still some nodrawn faces that shouldn't be that i need to fix
KK i'm going to bed night all =)
Ok, here is the complete 2nd pass, with Tetsu0 as Tail-gun charlie and the final edit:
Download
Tetsu0: I spent an hour trying to light your area, but aplogize i couldn't do it better; I don't think i'll ever get my head around source lighting.
When i map for goldsource it rarely takes me more than 20 minutes to light the entire map, but i can't seem to light a single scene in source with unlimited time
Again, GREAT WORK Everyone!
Download
Tetsu0: I spent an hour trying to light your area, but aplogize i couldn't do it better; I don't think i'll ever get my head around source lighting.
When i map for goldsource it rarely takes me more than 20 minutes to light the entire map, but i can't seem to light a single scene in source with unlimited time
Again, GREAT WORK Everyone!
Ya blitz, that would help immensely having the layout of the map beforehand OR, we could say maybe dedicate the first pass to just building the map's footprint?
(maybe only 6-12 hour slots or something too, as i don't think you'd need lots of time to build the floor, since it's well, the floor)
(maybe only 6-12 hour slots or something too, as i don't think you'd need lots of time to build the floor, since it's well, the floor)
Ninja: k sir. when we get closer to beginning, i'll let you choose your spot in the order that will best work for ya if that helps at all (probably a couple days before we begin again at least)
Ghost129er/Lajron: I agree with Blitz the more the merrier, but i just want to hear back from the majority of the others how they feel about it, before we give a definite yes/no answer.
(if not, there is always the next one, as i'm pretty sure we'll be doing this again)
So what say ye all team mappers, room for two more on the project?
Ghost129er/Lajron: I agree with Blitz the more the merrier, but i just want to hear back from the majority of the others how they feel about it, before we give a definite yes/no answer.
(if not, there is always the next one, as i'm pretty sure we'll be doing this again)
So what say ye all team mappers, room for two more on the project?
None of her kitty survivor friends had a first-aid kit and stoopid louis and his friendly fire
R.I.P. Atom's kitty, fighting the infected hords way up in haeven =)
R.I.P. Atom's kitty, fighting the infected hords way up in haeven =)
Yeah you're gonna love it tetsu0 did an amazing job. Also bonus points since he was sick/injured all weekend
Concerning performance
I've managed to increase 20 fps in most places by using prop fade distances alone, and i think if i'm able to get areaportals for the main interior areas(mostly the conference room and the shipping bay), i don't think we'll have any problem eliminating that lag you get at the middle of the map =]
Concerning performance
I've managed to increase 20 fps in most places by using prop fade distances alone, and i think if i'm able to get areaportals for the main interior areas(mostly the conference room and the shipping bay), i don't think we'll have any problem eliminating that lag you get at the middle of the map =]
I'm all for it as long as the majority agrees to add people at this point
With receiving Tetsu0's entry this morning, the second pass is officially over!
(I will post some screenshots and tet's edit when i get home from work today and have a chance to get it compiled)
Also, the map is going offline for further optimizing before we begin the third pass, and i'm very happy to report the vvis compile has been shortened from 42 to 7 minutes! =P
Meantime, If anybody has some ideas on how to handle the third pass, what direction the map should go, or anything else, now is the time
With receiving Tetsu0's entry this morning, the second pass is officially over!
(I will post some screenshots and tet's edit when i get home from work today and have a chance to get it compiled)
Also, the map is going offline for further optimizing before we begin the third pass, and i'm very happy to report the vvis compile has been shortened from 42 to 7 minutes! =P
Meantime, If anybody has some ideas on how to handle the third pass, what direction the map should go, or anything else, now is the time
Learn the way to lose - it's your best friend!Agreed. you learn your most valuable lessons from the more harsh, unpleasant experiences.
And i don't feel it's about gaining a thick skin, but more it's being able to reboot your brain so you can actually learn something useful sometimes. (i know personally if i'm learning something new, i have to be pounded a bit to get it into me)
Yup, it is now
I agree we should do it again, and keep doing it as long as we are all getting along so well =)
Assuming we get better at what we do each time, It's conceivable we'll be able to produce some really good stuff =)
I agree we should do it again, and keep doing it as long as we are all getting along so well =)
Assuming we get better at what we do each time, It's conceivable we'll be able to produce some really good stuff =)
Well we are following the queue, 'cept Blitz and tet switched.
New policy is you have 12 hours to confirm you're starting your turn, else you are bumped to the end of the queue and the next guy in line goes
Tetsu0: I'm just finishing up optimizing the skybox on an optimized version of the map from blitz. I'll pm it to you when i'm finished, in-case you want to use it.
New policy is you have 12 hours to confirm you're starting your turn, else you are bumped to the end of the queue and the next guy in line goes
Tetsu0: I'm just finishing up optimizing the skybox on an optimized version of the map from blitz. I'll pm it to you when i'm finished, in-case you want to use it.
Tet i just compiled a new optimized version(vvis is about 15 minutes shorter) if u'd like that instead?
tetsu0 has just begin and he is the last guy for the 2nd pass.
It's no problem whatsoever sir. We are right on schedule AND you are the last guy in the chain, so you don't have to worry about holding up anyone; take your time
And I hope you feel better soon! =)
And I hope you feel better soon! =)