The Fraud - Exposed Created 18 years ago2006-01-07 09:04:17 UTC by Trapt

And i command you to never post again, kthxbb

i'm posting what i want. i have that right ten mins later the cops come and shoot my computer

ZOMG, This has turned into a spam fest... and with out me either!

Zomg Lets fill it up even more with quotes:

http://dhost.info/trapt/images/me/recent
/ <- ;o
PICT00761.jpg would do fine, yo.

Whatever happened to that Trapt? the new one has turned into a Dr Evil kind of guy...

Or this:

Put me in there, like I asked you to... like in Page 1 or something .
www.dhost.info/trapt/images/me/recent

PICT00761.jpg yo

Or this:

Holy fucking shit. That picture is horrifying. It actually took me 10 seconds to realise there were chicks in the background because of that scary shit in the middle of the picture. 10 SECONDS! I normally would've noticed it straight away, but damn...... Freaking hell.
I need a drink.

Oh and you never did comment on my map which had you in it
Where did the real Trapt GO!

habboi, please remember that you are under trial. Don't try to get all friendly with us, it will make it worse if you are proven guilty. Also, spamming makes it worse.

Man oh man oh man...

How did I manage to miss out such a juicy controversy?

Ow ow, just like Jimmi! I loved the ending of that one!

I thought you where a nice guy, habboi!

There's is one thing that I don't like in the personality of a TWHL member:

Thinking sending DEATH THREATS in PM's are alright.

Recent events have caused me to shift my neutral ass over to the against-habboi side.

Go 4thgen!! You're the man!

Ok guys Give it up...This was a super joke but I know a joke when I see one and April fools is a long way away...

Ha I find it funny how you all planned this Well i'm off to map my project..Which I stole

PS. I have a new name! It's fourthgen not 4thgen!
Get it wrong and I will kill you!

Anyway, back on topic....

habboi, you shouldn't joke about that.

Or what? You going to send me to joke prison? And make me laugh harder than an episode of Family Guy...

everyone shutup and wait for Trapt's evidence!

I'll have to form a grudge against one of you two... Depends on how the evidence looks, if there is any...

Heheh.

@Brattylord: Us two?
There's nothing said about me being a retarded asshole. Only habboi

He means Trapt/habboi.

Ah, kay.

yeah i'm an asshole...Maybe I should act like one and stop mapping, whine some more and shout i'm leaving TWHL forever but then come back the next day...Ring any bells

Is this is a joke? I'm confuzzled.

FresheD should be under trial too. he immitated Habboi on muzz's server

oh dear... throw him away too...

Well, theres no evidence, Guess Habboi gets off free.

Is this is a joke? I'm confuzzled.

+1

No, trapt just hasn't been on...If nothing is posted tommorow then...
I don't care what he posts, if he posts what I think he will post then I have a very good story with that one...

Ok, we need order right now, before this gets out of hand...

Seriously, most of you are acting immature. The only way we're going to get though this is with silence. If you don't have something that is either helping or reporting news, then please, shut up. This goes for everyone, including the mods.

I don't want to see any friendships broken by this.

@habboi: When Trapt said he was leaving he said it because of assholes and just plain nubs.

@m0p: Unfortunately no, habboi has been stealing content from other people and thinks it's just a big joke.

I'll try and talk to Trapt tomorrow. See, how bad he thinks it is. In the meanwhile habboi, in the interest of speeding things up, could you give us a short account of what you did/didn't do?

I'm sorry for over-reacting earlier.

I told you...I didn't do any of that crap he wrote...Also didn't you just read was Dark Kilauea said...Stop replying!!!

Oh I do think it is a big joke...Its the most rediculous accusation i have ever read and half of TWHL are laughing either at me or with me...

You have made the biggest fool of me in my entire life, got members angry, and conspired against each other. I lost friends for the day cause they assumed you were right. Well you dumb ass wheres the proof...Every map I have released is shit...if i stole them then why are they not good. Dm_lakeside...Sucks, tis a mountain with some buildings...Dm_coasland...Tis some cliffs and a beach Oh my i stole some displacements...

de_boshi..Oh no really low detail and clipped walls, the first map to ever use clipped walls! Oh deaaaar i must have decompiled Rabids ultra good map and stolen his walllls I am so lazy! Shoot me!

DM_habboi city, oh dear a map that was made by Darkkiller for me..I stole a map made FOR me...I must be a crook.

my ganglife map...Yeah like I stole buildings that took me weeks to make..My own sweat and blood poursing out as I finished one side.

Yeah my nightfall graveyard map, I stole cliffs yes I admit i stole cliffs but WAIT i stole them from my old lakeSIDE map! So i'm naughty!

I rest my case f00.

Maybe I got this all wrong be cause, you all know that my english isn't the best! Think about that before you flame me!

I'm on habboi's side, I spoke to him earlier today and he has a point.
I won't bring up all the things we said be cause that would lead to mayor flaming and all that shit.
Habboi is a good mapper, and why would a good mapper steal screenshots?
Habboi has given out a zip file in the map vault full with VMFs, wich, of course could be decompiled, but I doubt.
And anyway, a guy steals screenshots.. OH NO!
Come on, a screenshot?
Guess what, my avatar isn't 100% made by me, I stole the cow head, and I stole the HEV suit, but no-one made a thread about that.
Calm down people!
Habboi has even helped this site by posting a tutorial.

If habboi was a crappy mapper, "Gang Life mod" would never have accepted him as a crew member!
Mapping for a mod requiers stills, and you can't steal a map, and then use it in a mod, it's imposseble!

I'm not posting this as offence against Trapt, or any other who agrees whit Trapt.
Any evidence agaist habboi would make me change my mind, but it wouldn't make me hate him!

Too often the strong, silent man is silent only because he does not know what to say, and is reputed strong only because he has remained silent.

-Winston Churchill

Follow the fucking mass, have fun

I'm not on anyone's side but i would just like to point out that...

Habboi is a good mapper, and why would a good mapper steal screenshots?

...is not a valid argument.

As I said, I REFUSE to name names here, because I don't want to get the informer in trouble. But I can tell you that it was in fact a member of the NightFall mod team.

Last night, it came to my attention that habboi was in fact booted from the NightFall team. No, he didn't leave as he told us, he was booted.

The reasons were simple: his mapping was not up to the standard in which the modification would have liked, and he was being an idiot.

I was also told that he used screenshots of maps which were not his own to get onto the team. The informer also stated that the screenshots were of a map quite beyond habboi's level designing skill. It was that statement that had me thinking: hang on, has he stolen a TWHLer's map screenshots and claimed them as his own? I was concerned, and came here to let you all know.

It also came to my attention that he used the custom models provided for him from the team in OTHER PROJECTS.

I was appauled, and immediately showed it to my good friends in the IRC channel. We thought it was best to warn TWHL about these events, as they were quite serious and very concerning.

Again, I stress that this information was told to me by a MEMBER OF THE NIGHTFALL MOD TEAM, and therefore I believe every word of it.

I rest my case.

Show us the "evidence".

As such, we attempted to find out which screenshots were used. Our efforts, however, were to no avail as the leader of the mod had deleted the emails.

Besides, I was told from a fucking member of the mod team. I'm quite sure his word can be trusted.

Oh dear god no.

I was a moderator at H.I.T. for over a year and this is the shit that usually always came up, I though TWHL was different but now I realise that everywehre is the same. I'm not having a go or making a rant here but there are a few lessons to be learned her which HOPEFULLY people will take on board.

1: Dont take sides until YOU have made your own mind up WITH evidence to back it up. Jumping on band wagons just rocks the boat.

2: Trapt and Ant, what you did (as far as I can tell) was in your opinion in the best interests of TWHL at the time of the first few post. But really, you should not go making a thread warning people about how somone steals maps or might steal maps and screen shots unless you have HARD EVIDENCE. "A person is smart, people are dumb, irrational and panicy".

3: Where the hell were the mods? Shouldnt a mod's of been more observant on this thread, I mean people have a right to speak their mind but a lot of these posts were spam, flames and flaming spam.

Now I am not having a go at anyone, nor am I taking sides. I am speaking my mind, its a habbit I have, if I think it and I feel strongly about it I will say it. I'm just a 3rd party observer here making observations. So please, no flaming me, I'm not flaming you.

This entire thread is a fucking nersery school, and another thing, deleting it or sending it to the 'hall of shame' if you have one here will not make it better or do any good.

Everyone relax, looks like it was all a big misunderstanding or the so called 'informant' has it in for habboi (Note: I am not taking sides.).

Believe whatever you want, but I trust the informants word. I know him on a personal level, and he is on the dev team of the mod. He's just like a witness to a crime.

Witness = evidence.

wait a minute...

HOLD THE PHONEEES!!!

HOOOOLD THE PHOONESS!!!!!!!

You said:

The informer also stated that the screenshots were of a map quite beyond habboi's level designing skill.

Lets analyze this.

Habboi was kicked from the team cause they didn't like his mapping right?

When Habboi left, there was probably conflict between him and the other members of the team, right?

you stated yourself that Habboi was hard to get along with.

Well, this specific anonymous person, if he exists, would have something against Habboi, right?

well, this so called "informant" claimes that the screenshots shown by Habboi, acording to you, were "beyond habboi's level designing skills". You said this yourself.

as of right now, there is NO EVIDENCE that these screenshots were not his own. It is just the word of a person, who in theory, dislikes Habboi and would have motivations to hurt his reputation, correct?

and LET ME ASK YOU!
Isn't it possible that this "informant" is carelessly throwing false information, or exagerated information, based on his own diagnosis of Habboi's skills.

I'll have to side with Habboi, based on this most ridiculous argument on Trapt's part. Yes, Habboi is hard to get along with, which only helps him in this specific case. You and this "informant" probably just want to hurt Habboi, and you have the nerve to try and drag friends of yours down with you based on information the public is yet to see,
if it exists...

Good Day!!

Well this is certainly an interesting case. But like everyone else is saying; unless you have some concrete evidence I'll believe his work is his work.
Edit: Wow, good point Bratty.

Obviously this "informant"'s reputation will not be taken seriously by the community.

We do not know his identity, and for reasons I stated earlier, his word should not be trusted in this case.

So, without this "informent", what other evidence do you have?

If none, then I guess we're done here...

no further questions.

No evidence = Pointless thread.

I know that Trapt had quite the discussion with said informant and has a very valid reason for not publicizing his name. I know he's working towards exposing more evidence I hear ;x

ok so how long before the "SURPRISE! GOT YOU ALL"? im still not convinced this is actually true

No evidence = Pointless thread.

He was kicked from the nightfall team, thats evedence.

And I heard about this on IRC It was clear that it was true.

So what if he was kicked from the team. Because they thought he was stealing work, which they don't have proof of. They just assumed it becuase of some screenshots.

About the models though..it depends on if he released the maps or not.

I think to create a thread and further complicate things for no reason is rediculous. Show me a map on this site that's not his. If there isn't, then why the hell should anyone here care? It kind of looks as if you are so called "tattle-tailing"...sad.

So what if he was kicked from the team. Because they thought he was stealing work, which they don't have proof of. They just assumed it becuase of some screenshots.

I think that they noticed that his mapping skill wasent up to the level of the screenshots

maybe he just really put alot of effort into whatever he made to get into the team?

Still Innocent until proven guilty

lets torture him with cruel and unusual punishment until he leaks some info. but seriously if u did it man... dont do it again... ive had a few of my maps stolen and renamed a number of times and its really upsetting

[qoute]maybe he just really put alot of effort into whatever he made to get into the team?[/quote]

Lets say you are right, Why dident he put as much effort in to stay in?

things to learn from this 'episode':

1. dont distribute rmf's/vmf's (although vmex makes it hard to avoid theft)
2. 'sign' your work (i.e. put your name in the map)
3. make a mod by yourself? (heh mines 0.5% done :O)

anyway keep going its better than an episode of some random tv soap

We do not know his identity, and for reasons I stated earlier, his word should not be trusted in this case.

Dude, I know the informant on a personal level. He didn't seem to have a grudge against habboi, or anything of the sort, and I really don't see why he'd make up such a serious accusation.

Think before you post people, think.

I totally agree with Bratty.