http://www.steamreview.org/?p=68
Im ignoring the fanboy comments and comparisons to CS:S, but its starting to feel like a slippery slope from what was my lovely leftist dream where licensing law doesnt exist and artists create content for free because they like creating the content/art. In many ways the modding community used to have that free reign, when you throw licensing and money into the situation everything becomes a beaureacratic mess. Lets all start charging ?1 for downloading our maps yay.
Garrys Mod sells out
Created 18 years ago2006-04-14 07:39:30 UTC by
Jobabob
Created 18 years ago2006-04-14 07:39:30 UTC by
Jobabob
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 07:39:30 UTC
Post #174197
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 07:46:18 UTC
Post #174201
Ah man 
One step closer to the end of humanity, think about it, it is.
One step closer to the end of humanity, think about it, it is.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 07:48:18 UTC
Post #174202
I'll out cynicise you any day of the week, bring it
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 07:59:50 UTC
Post #174209
Are you claming to be more cynical than me?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:06:50 UTC
Post #174212
NOOO, OF COURSE IM NOT
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:09:15 UTC
Post #174213
That capslock talk don't belong on TWHL, please try and keep one of the good things in life good.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:18:40 UTC
Post #174214
What is caps-lock? My finger hit the shift key accidentally for 10 seconds.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:23:55 UTC
Post #174216
What are you crying about?
OMG I CAN'T AFFORD $10 D:D:D:D:D:D:
I'm gonna buy it, it's my lifeline.
OMG I CAN'T AFFORD $10 D:D:D:D:D:D:
I'm gonna buy it, it's my lifeline.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:31:50 UTC
Post #174222
Eh, if he was going to stop developing it anyway, who cares?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:36:50 UTC
Post #174224
he make lots profit.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 08:37:18 UTC
Post #174225
This was bound to happen, when somthing gets as sucessful as that the creator is of course going to make money on it.
Garrys mod, although fun, is pretty boring IMO. After you have built yourself a large fort out of cargo containers and fixed it all over with balloons and thrusters once you dont usually bother doing it again... damn that was fun though, especially when I fitted thrusters facing up and used it somewhat like a giant hammer to crush people below Bahahaha.
Still, after a while it gets boring.
Garrys mod, although fun, is pretty boring IMO. After you have built yourself a large fort out of cargo containers and fixed it all over with balloons and thrusters once you dont usually bother doing it again... damn that was fun though, especially when I fitted thrusters facing up and used it somewhat like a giant hammer to crush people below Bahahaha.
Still, after a while it gets boring.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 09:11:03 UTC
Post #174240
bring back the pre-steam days I say bwararghgr
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 09:24:05 UTC
Post #174241
Free online gaming for the people!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 09:35:06 UTC
Post #174243
Oh Garry has always been a dick...He bans people for coughing on his forums...
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 09:48:36 UTC
Post #174244
You're a dick.
Anyway, I'd have done the same.
Anyway, I'd have done the same.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 09:51:34 UTC
Post #174245
i'm not concerned at all about this. For one, it was bound to happen eventually, and 2, Garry's mod, that until recently was totally free is a good deal better than a lot of game released into the market... It also give users the ability to create their own games...
Its worth paying for, so stop whining
Its worth paying for, so stop whining
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 10:45:24 UTC
Post #174252
I won't pay for Gmod.
One thing, could you keep the current version without paying for it? :S
One thing, could you keep the current version without paying for it? :S
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 11:00:07 UTC
Post #174258
I guess Valve is going to do something to prevent that.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 11:00:58 UTC
Post #174259
Obviously.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 11:08:16 UTC
Post #174265
I never played Garry's mod. I was about to download it, but now I have to pay? Even though its only ten dollars US, it doesnt seem worth it. IS it? Cant really say since I never played it.
WHat this does do is give hope to 3rd party modders everywhere. I do hope though Fortress Forever doesnt do this.............
WHat this does do is give hope to 3rd party modders everywhere. I do hope though Fortress Forever doesnt do this.............
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 11:10:44 UTC
Post #174266
Sneaky bastards.
Maybe if you change the name of the mod? ??
Maybe if you change the name of the mod? ??
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 17:24:06 UTC
Post #174342
Hm maybe one us will have this opportunity...Will you sell out?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 17:25:38 UTC
Post #174343
oh yeah, ff, that great piece of vapourware
its a shame that this had to happen, Im only a few months old to the gmod community so I didn't know just how into disrepair it had gone, unfortunately the community im a part of just spent a load of money buying up new servers, which kind of ties us into paying anyway. I wonder if GSPs will have to fork out some dosh too.
its a shame that this had to happen, Im only a few months old to the gmod community so I didn't know just how into disrepair it had gone, unfortunately the community im a part of just spent a load of money buying up new servers, which kind of ties us into paying anyway. I wonder if GSPs will have to fork out some dosh too.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 17:30:22 UTC
Post #174345
Good for him.
If I had come up with an original idea and it became such a phenomenon, I would try to find a way to profit from it too.
It's all in the capitalistic spirit.
Yes, it's based on greed, but this system is heck a lot better than communism.
No fool would work for the greater good without getting compensated fairly for it. That's why communism only works in theory. It's against human nature.
If I had come up with an original idea and it became such a phenomenon, I would try to find a way to profit from it too.
It's all in the capitalistic spirit.
Yes, it's based on greed, but this system is heck a lot better than communism.
No fool would work for the greater good without getting compensated fairly for it. That's why communism only works in theory. It's against human nature.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 17:36:38 UTC
Post #174348
I have that opinion about work, but this is art, there is a massive difference to me. As fun as it would be to make money doing something I love, even if it were possible I just couldnt charge people for what I make (no snide comments please), even if Ive put 7 months effort into it.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 20:02:08 UTC
Post #174376
If all goes downhill with GMod you can all play Blockland: http://www.blockland.us
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-14 20:19:53 UTC
Post #174379
I'd really have to disagree with this. If I had invented something as brilliant as Garrys Mod, then I wouldn't suddenly ask people to buy it, especially after nine successful versions. I'm sure I have the same reaction as the fans of CS when they found out that it was going retail.
Sure, get it distributed via Steam, but make it free. I sure ain't paying for it.
Sure, get it distributed via Steam, but make it free. I sure ain't paying for it.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 02:30:37 UTC
Post #174397
I have that opinion about work, but this is art, there is a massive difference to me.So painters, singers, and film producers should not get paid for making art? They already enjoy what they do, so why should they get paid at all?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 02:42:57 UTC
Post #174398
When you offer something for free for a long time and then decide to charge for the very thing that you had made free: not a good thing.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 02:52:38 UTC
Post #174399
i really think that valve should let free 3rd party mods available through steam. i read somewhere there is a p2p file system embedded in one of the steam .dll's - this could be for 3rd party mod sharing in the future, but i want it now! lol.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 03:17:50 UTC
Post #174401
Agreed with ZL.
Developing such a great mod, like Garry's takes a lot of time and dedication. And I think, that for his effort, he deserves those 10$.
Besides - most of you would have done the same.
Money > The broken hearts of the Gmod fans
Developing such a great mod, like Garry's takes a lot of time and dedication. And I think, that for his effort, he deserves those 10$.
Besides - most of you would have done the same.
Money > The broken hearts of the Gmod fans
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 04:31:28 UTC
Post #174406
So painters, singers, and film producers should not get paid for making art? They already enjoy what they do, so why should they get paid at all?and when they are you introduce licensing and it all becomes a huge mess, obviously they have to make a living but you have to admit the music and film industries have turned shite in recent times all because of pursuit of profit over actual art (god that sounds socialist)
Personally I believe that the majority of people on here would rather people wanted to play their maps or view their 'art' rather than making money off of it. Thinking about it the whole 'this was necessary' argument doesnt even make sense, how come so many other mods have managed it despite their popularity.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 04:44:01 UTC
Post #174408
Good points, jobabob.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 04:45:42 UTC
Post #174410
It gives us hope that we can make money out of mods...
But who needs GMod when you can play with A RAGDOLL BUSH!!!
But who needs GMod when you can play with A RAGDOLL BUSH!!!
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 06:15:13 UTC
Post #174423
Another good point.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 06:38:03 UTC
Post #174430
Personally I believe that the majority of people on here would rather people wanted to play their maps or view their 'art' rather than making money off of it.But do you think that they would say "Hell no!" if Valve offered money for their maps?
I do agree that there is a great sense of satisfaction when other people play your maps. That's why most of us map. But if a gaming company approached you and offer you a job, would you refuse in the name of "making art"?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 06:46:44 UTC
Post #174431
honestly I would prolly say yes because im desperate for a job, I would take a job offer from EA at the moment. I havent gone as far as applying for the atomic weapons establishment yet though.
Making maps for a gaming company is a little different than selling that which you have already made to a gaming company, if someone offered money for my back catalogue of maps I'd tell them to F.O.
Making maps for a gaming company is a little different than selling that which you have already made to a gaming company, if someone offered money for my back catalogue of maps I'd tell them to F.O.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 08:37:13 UTC
Post #174442
People pay 'Mappers' to make clan maps for them and when I read a topic on this I found out that a guy got paid 20 pounds to make a clan map. So I thought it must be good then and I take a look...But oh dear to my disgust it was a box with a sky and a few props...You could make it in 10 minutes max and it took him a few days...
Satchmo, didn't you say you or someone else was being paid to make a map in a thread somewhere?
Satchmo, didn't you say you or someone else was being paid to make a map in a thread somewhere?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 11:41:06 UTC
Post #174468
Yeah, except I was not offered the job.
Perhaps I asked too much?
Perhaps I asked too much?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-15 13:56:20 UTC
Post #174489
When you offer something for free for a long time and then decide to charge for the very thing that you had made free: not a good thing.Some of the best developers tools jumped to a new level because if this. I can understand why garry did this. So would i do.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 04:08:46 UTC
Post #174558
Please, give examples
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 05:51:35 UTC
Post #174569
It's Garry, guys. He's an arrogant jerk. Did you really expect better of him?
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-16 20:06:04 UTC
Post #174683
I don't know Garry personally, so I don't know what to expect.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-19 18:20:43 UTC
Post #175349
Garrys an asshole. Leave it at that. Like Habboi said, he bans someone for coughing on the forums.
Posted 18 years ago2006-04-20 10:10:53 UTC
Post #175511
Lol, I quote Garry from his own forums under the thread;
"Garry's Mod going retail"
Here is the quote, "Enough bitching.".
Man, what a asshole. If I ever had a famous mod I wouldn't sell it to a company that doesn't really about the future of said mod and would rather have the pleasant feeling of the money rolling in...It's just...meh.
"Garry's Mod going retail"
Here is the quote, "Enough bitching.".
Man, what a asshole. If I ever had a famous mod I wouldn't sell it to a company that doesn't really about the future of said mod and would rather have the pleasant feeling of the money rolling in...It's just...meh.
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