Aspartame Created 20 years ago2004-09-13 12:18:31 UTC by Jahzel

WATCH THE CLIP:
http://www.soundandfury.tv/Pages/Rumsfeld2.html

Aspartame was passed despite FDA scientists' disapproval by a significant force in politics: Donald Rumsfeld.

When we started the documentary, "Sweet Misery", we did not know that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was the CEO of Searle at the time aspartame was approved. Not until our first interview with Dr. Jim Bowen.

According to a G.D. Searle's salesperson, Patty WoodAllott, Donald Rumsfeld stated "he would call in all his markers and that no matter what, he would see to it that aspartame be approved this year."

This interview with consumer atttorney Jim Turner reveals how Donald Rumsfeld "called in his markers" as part of Reagan's transition team in 1981. Here is why G.D. Searle felt compelled to reapply for aspartame's approval one day after Reagan's inauguration.

This is despite rejection of aspartame over brain tumors.

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away one of my freinds went and got some fizzy drink, and his dad said to put it back and find some without aspartme in it.

And his dad is absolutely right in saying so. If only all dad's did that.

But what in the world would i drink, because pepsi includes aspartme.

I would say water, but water contains flouride which is used to make people more docile and easier to control. The nazi's did the same thing to prisoners in the concentration camps.

This is the nature of what we are dealing with here. They have no compassion for our living, all they want is control over us by any means necessary.

I agree with you on this theory jahzel.

Well, i agree only with that aspartame part. I see no proof for that water/flouride teory, do you think that you can't think right? Do you fell you are easier to control? And that don't make sense becouse EVERYBODY drink that water. And i drink just a fresh water from nerby place, where is no need to add anything to it. Ofcourse you could change my mind if you got any real proof.

Where i live all water has a low level of fluoride.

flouride is constantly being used on us. We have no choice but to consume it. There is no real benefit from adding flouride to water supplies other than to help make us a lot easier to manipulate.

If you look at the population today, most are unaware of the New World Order and are more concerend with the latest fashion trned, the latest chart music, the latest celeb gossip etc. Flouride keeps us in the line of the norm, and it may be the case that some people are more affected by it than others. I would say that dyslexia and other difficulties may be caused by chemicals. Most noteably, e numbers you see in mass quantities in bright coloured kids sweets and other products.

how do you know that flouride is in US water? And are you sure about effects that it can make? (well, for sure dyslexia is not coused by drinking water lol)
Any way i'm happy i don't live in USA ^_^

Same, i live in UK.

In the USA, many peolpe (and most of the rich people interested in fashion trends, and celebrity lifestiles, etc.) drink bottled water, or filtered water... that means NO flouride. I guess that puts a big dent in your theory.

But your wild theory should be very easy to prove if it was true. Show us your evidence of studies done on lab rats, dogs, cats, mice, monkeys, or people that even hint at the fact that flouride makes animals more docile. One of the millions of students and professional researchers all over the world would sureley have come accross this phenomenon by now and would have their results published for you to document. Lets see the evidence.

Just because you say group of people supposedly used flouride to make jews more docile, doesnt mean flouride makes people more docile. First of all, what makes the nazis experts in the field of chemistry. Sure they did many scientific experiments... some of them worked, many did not. This was the early 1940's!! Also, if there is documentention (which you've yet to produce) that supports your suggestion that flouride was succesfully used to make jews docile, we still don't know what dosage was used and how it was delivered.

[b]IF[/b] flouride did have some calming effect on people at some super-high nazi dose, that still doesn't prove that the trace ammounts found in municiple water supplies used to prevent tooth decay has any calming effect on people. Also your baseless theory doesn't address the fact that many people drink water from wells or other sources (including those I mentioned above) which contain absolutely no flouride.

Basicly this whole theory is merely one in a long series of wild accusations directed at the government to blame them for every problem on the earth. The accuser looks everywhere for the cause of all his problems... ecxept the source... himself.

It's a common defense mechanism for imballenced people to throw the blame for their own shortcommings on anything they can find... but themselves. This way they don't have to go through the difficult task of changing themselves. If the problems are caused by gigantic outside forces, of which they have no control, then they can safely remain the same and sit back and blame the uncontrollable forces. Blaming is easy... changing is much more difficult.

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There are more grammatical errors than just that one... I'm dissapointed that's all you could find

Well, I dont know who you are, or what you are, to discount the attrocities of the Nazi's which included the most horrific human experimentation ever.Flouride:

"Fluoride is any combination of elements containing the fluoride ion. In its elemental form, fluorine is a pale yellow, highly toxic and corrosive gas. In nature, fluorine is found combined with minerals as fluorides. It is the most chemically active nonmetallic element of all the elements and also has the most reactive electro-negative ion. Because of this extreme reactivity, fluorine is never found in nature as an uncombined element. Fluorine is a member of group VIIa of the periodic table. It readily displaces other halogens?such as chlorine, bromine and iodine?from their mineral salts. With hydrogen it forms hydrogen fluoride gas which, in a water solution, becomes hydrofluoric acid.

Fluorine compounds or fluorides are listed by the US Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) as among the top 20 of 275 substances that pose the most significant threat to human health. Fluorides, hydrogen fluoride and fluorine have been found in at least 130, 19, and 28 sites, respectively, of 1,334 National Priorities List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Consequently, under the provisions of the Superfund Act (CRECLA, 1986), a compilation of information about fluorides, hydrogen fluoride and fluorine and their effects on health was required. This publication appeared in 1993.

Fluorides are cumulative toxins. The fact that fluorides accumulate in the body is the reason that U.S. law requires the Surgeon General to set a Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for fluoride content in public water supplies as determined by the EPA. This requirement is specifically aimed at avoiding a condition known as Crippling Skeletal Fluorosis (CSF), a disease thought to progress through three stages. The MCL, designed to prevent only the third and crippling stage of this disease, is set at 4ppm or 4mg per liter. It is assumed that people will retain half of this amount (2mg), and therefore 4mg per liter is deemed ``safe." Yet a daily dose of 2-8mg is known to cause the third crippling stage of CSF.

In 1998 EPA scientists, whose job and legal duty it is to set the Maximum Contaminant Level, declared that this 4ppm level was set fraudulently by outside forces in a decision that omitted 90 percent of the data showing the mutagenic properties of fluoride. The Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, 5th Edition (1984) gives lead a toxicity rating of 3 to 4 (3 = moderately toxic, 4 = very toxic) and the EPA has set 0.015 ppm as the MCL for lead in drinking water?with a goal of 0.0ppm. The toxicity rating for fluoride is 4, yet the MCL for fluoride is currently set at 4.0ppm, over 250 times the permissable level for lead.

It is well established that it is total fluoride intake from all sources which must be considered for any adverse health effect evaluation. This includes intake by ingestion, inhalation and absorption through the skin. In 1971, the World Health Organization (WHO) stated: ?In the assessment of the safety of a water supply with respect to the fluoride concentration, the total daily fluoride intake by the individual must be considered."

Exposure to airborne fluorides from many diverse manufacturing processes?pesticide applications, phosphate fertilizer production, aluminum smelting, uranium enrichment facilities, coal-burning and nuclear power plants, incinerators, glass etching, petroleum refining and vehicle emissions?can be considerable. Every year hundreds and thousands of tons of fluorides are emitted by industry. Industrial emissions of fluoride compounds produce elevated concentrations in the atmosphere. Hydrogen fluoride can exist as a particle, dissolving in clouds, fog, rain, dew, or snow. In clouds and moist air it will travel along the air currents until it is deposited as wet acid deposition (acid rain, acid fog, etc.) In waterways it readily mixes with water.

Sulfur hexafluoride (SF6), emitted by the electric power industry, is now among six greenhouse gases specifically targeted by the international community, through the Kyoto protocol, for emission reductions to control global warming. The others are carbon dioxide, hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), methane and nitrous oxide (N2O). SF6 is about 23,900 times more destructive, pound for pound, than carbon dioxide over the course of 100 years. EPA estimates that some seven-million metric tons of carbon equivalent (MMTCE) escaped from electric power systems in 1996 alone. The concentration of SF6 in the atmosphere has reportedly increased by two orders of magnitude since 1970. Atmospheric models have indicated that the lifetime of an SF6 molecule in the atmosphere may be over 3000 years. In addition, many people consume fluorine-based medications such as Prozac, which greatly adds to fluoride's anti-thyroid effects. All fluoride compounds?organic and inorganic?have been shown to exert anti-thyroid effects, often potentiating fluoride effects many-fold.

Household exposures to fluorides can occur with the use of Teflon pans, fluorine-based products, insecticides sprays and even residual airborne fluorides from fluoridated drinking water. Decision-makers at 3M Corporation recently announced a phase-out of Scotchgard products after discovering that the product's primary ingredient?a fluorinated compound called perfluorooctanyl sulfonate (PFOS)--was found in all tested blood bank examinations. 3M's research showed that the substance had strong tendencies to persist and bioaccumulate in animal and human tissue. In 1991 the US Public Health Service issued a report stating that the range in total daily fluoride intake from water, dental products, beverages and food items exceeded 6.5 milligrams daily. Thus, the total intake from those sources alone already greatly exceeds the levels known to cause the third stage of skeletal fluorosis.

Besides fluoridated water and toothpaste, many foods contain high levels of flouride compounds due to pesticide applications. One of the worse offenders is grapes. Grape juice was found to contain more than 6.8 ppm fluoride. The EPA estimates total fluoride intake from pesticide residues on food and fluoridated drinking water alone to be 0.095 mg/kg/day, meaning a person weighing 70 kg takes in more than 6.65 mg per day. Soy infant formula is high in both fluoride and aluminum, far surpassing the ?optimal" dose?even when de-fluoridated water is used in preparation?and has been shown to be a significant risk factor in dental fluorosis"

Nazi's and Flouride

Mass Medication
The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. "In the 1930`s, Hitler and the German Nazi's envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. ...

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. ...

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years` research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine--any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1

Quoting Einstein's nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952: "It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the next on the agenda of the water poisoners.

"There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless intellectual parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic--from within if they can, according to their plan--for their own possession. "The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.

"Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration. ...

"As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don't do it.

"Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God's great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it. "Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting dental health, fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a "health" plan? What's behind it?

"That any so-called "doctors" would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity. "No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin's Last Will and Hitler's Mein Kampf:

"America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within."...

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats...

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity--treason!" Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.

Earliest available Russian fluoride evidence: "I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member of the Communist Party and the Young Communist League, from May 2, 1936, to October 9, 1939. During this period of time, I operated under the alias of John Keats with number 18-B-2. My testimony before the Government is in Volume 9 of the Un-American Activities Report for 1939.

"While a member of the Communist Party, I attended Communist training schools in New York and Wisconsin ... and we were trained in the revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. Government."... We discussed quite thoroughly the fluoridation of water supplies and how we were using it in Russia as a tranquilizer in the prison camps. The leaders of our school felt that if it could be induced into the American water supply, it would bring about a spirit of lethargy in the nation, where it could keep the general public docile during a steady encroachment of Communism. We also discussed the fact that keeping a store of deadly fluoride near the water reservoir would be advantageous during the time of the revolution, as it would give us opportunity to dump this poison into the water supply and either kill off the populace or threaten them with liquidation, so that they would surrender to obtain fresh water.

http://tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

Go here to see the source of this evidence. Find out for yourself.

I've read all that stuff, and i'm confused. OR it is total crap or someone realy belive in that. And, most propably, even if some of these things are true i don't belive in those realy "bad" efects. Many peoples in the world (maybe even in USA also) are not dumb, sooner or later, but they would found that "flouride scandal". It looks like you think that you are all knowing person, and all peoples are just childs, controlled by nasty, evil parents : . That's only what i think, i don't know am i right or not.

This is not total crap, this it's whats happening to the world, right now, this moment in time, and if we ignore that, it'll never change.

OK, send a petition to someone who can change this and we're all set And if we can not change that, than why care lol?

I could be being brainwashed right this second, i drink water that has a low level or fluoride in it.

But flouride is so tasty, and it makes me go wow wow!

yknow, im inclined to go with the "total crap" theory. this is coming from the person who claimed gamespy waas repsoonsible for downfalls in society, and has some sort of crazy dseas that makes him think hes a bird.

Well jahzel is free to express his oppinions and well you aren't forced to look on this thread, your not forced to read what he says, your not forced to believe it if you do read it.

Also he gives a link then summs it up, which helps clear everything up for me.

Don't just be anonymous and then make fun of people, log in if your gonna make fun of people, so then at least you will get a fair response.

I also personally like jahzles theories.

What has jahzel done to you?

I was asked, by you (whoever you are) to provide some evidence for my claims. Been as though this, incase you didn't know, is the internet, and I am using a computer, it is virtually impossible to give any other proof.

God, Jahzel find someone else to bother with your constant "world dominations, downfalls, evil brainwashing cults etc.? ideas, no offence, but this might start to get on people nerves.

(P.S. Do you have paranoia? J/k. But seriously, are you afraid of something?)

Shut up Spark i almost liked you aswell, but Jahzel is cool and i like his theories.

Ah it's ZL in a bad mood again then?

i wish he would state his opinions... instead of plagarizing other whackos and posting it like its fact.

That's what christians tend to do.

First of all, I have, as a human being living in a so-called democratic country, have the right to say and defend whatever I want to say or believe in. I dont let no fcker like yourself tell me otherwise. This isnt your thread, if it offends you, fck off and dont read it!

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people." - Bill Hicks

Just ignore the anonymous, I like your theories jahzel.

Why do you seek to annoy?
If jahzel is annoying you then just ignore him, don't make comments about him.

If you are ZL, i have nothing against you.

PLAGIARISM: The act of taking someone else's ideas, words, or writing, and attempting to pass them off as your own.

He was obviously not doing so as he linked to the original source. Learn what big words actually mean before you use them.

now just tell g-kid that these are not theories YOU came up with after studdying human behavior and tons of doccumented experiments... just tell him you're only repeating stuff you read at the kinds of sites i mentioned above so he can stop calling them "your" theories.

I would like to see the fruits of your research into the subject. Are you not familiar with the spread of knowlege in academia? People do not actually spend years researching and then go "ah good" and forget about it, they share their findings and people can agree with them or have different opinions. Agreement does not mean plagiarism.

my god quit kissing ass

If you were a real member you'd appreciate that G_KID is trying to avoid starting a flame war or some kinda feud in our community.

Jahzel doesn't rip ppl off...I regularly google sentances from his text just to see if I could catch him out! No joy though.....yet

You need to have your evidence, your findings that suggest that I am wrong as Seventh correctly stated. The truth is, once you see for yourself and bother to research into the extent to which this type of activity is occurring, it is hard to discount the theories as merely ridiculous or paranoid.

Just because ideas are different to what you expect, it doesn't mean they are wrong. It means they are simply challenging the so-called 'norm' we are all conditioned to believe throughout our education.

Consider the fact that in order to successfully control the population, there HAS to be certain areas of knowledge that you should not let the public see. Knowledge IS power, that's why they suppress it from us. If they give us the knowledge they know -- they'd have a full scale problem on their hands, 'whoop?s, no-one is co-operating.'

Also, I'd like to emphasise the point about fluoride. Why on earth would official sources uncover the fact that fluoride is an intellect suppressant? What kind of chaos would therefore be as a result of telling everyone that they are all being slowly poisoned throughout their entire lives? The sad truth is this is the nature of the fascist agenda for Global Governance. There are no ethics or morals in covert control, it is the way that they deal with us successfully. We are a brainwashed, manipulated population conditioned from birth to co-operate with the so-called norm. Any resistance can ultimately lead to ridicule, which helps keep everyone in line. My point is this: We are all brought up in society as unquestioning, unthinking system clones. It is the way they want us to be, and with the help of chemicals such as fluoride, such a nazi regime can be accomplished.

We are all brought up in society as unquestioning, unthinking system clones.

Not everyone, and not everywhere. Western civilisation, perhaps.

No, but thats what they want. It can be said that more and more people are waking up.

BUT I NEED MY DAILY ASPARTAME!

/me opens a Coca-Cola bottle.

Why on earth would official sources uncover the fact that fluoride is an intellect suppressant? What kind of chaos would therefore be as a result of telling everyone that they are all being slowly poisoned throughout their entire lives?

Well, it looks like that this quote: [quote]and everyone notice that the ONLY "proof" jazel came up with for the flouride theory he plagarized comes from a website that sells machines and products that remove flouride...[/qoute] is troue. How strange that they know about things like that AND can already sell you a product that can solve this problem. How good of them : .

We are a brainwashed

WELL, i think that it CAN be partly true : Look in mirror. And you mentioned something about nazi experiments? Well, they had MANY ridicoulus experiments like constructing anti-gravity flaying vehicle or jetpacks(they were realy working on those). And as you can see there are no jetpacks today.

While Jahzels evidence sounds compelling, I'd be inclined to think that these chemicals are used IN SPITE OF, and not BECAUSE of their effects. Its a bit like saying Thalidomide was used by the powers that be to create a new slave class of people would couldnt fight back.

But you must understant that the Nazi's were not just a group of evil bastards far off the spectrum, they were and are actively involved with the New World Order Agenda. The covert control tactics employed by the Nazi's are still used today. Overt control is what we see when we look at the election system and generall politics. The key to total control is COVERT control. Why do you think most food products that are aimed at kids and the younger generation seem to contain these different chemicals? For flavour? I dont think so.

Ritalin

Thirty years ago the World Health Organization (WHO) concluded that Ritalin was pharmacologically similar to cocaine in the pattern of abuse it fostered and cited it as a Schedule II drug ? the most addictive in medical use. The Department of Justice also cited Ritalin as a Schedule II drug under the Controlled Substances Act, and the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) warned that ?Ritalin substitutes for cocaine and d-amphetamine in a number of behavioral paradigms.?- Insight ON THE NEWS

Fluoride
http://www.fluoridealert.org/

"Airborne fluorides have caused more worldwide damage to domestic animals than any other air pollutant." - US Department of Agriculture. Air Pollutants Affecting the Performance of Domestic Animals. Agricultural Handbook No. 380. Revised. 1972. p. 109.

"Certainly, there has been more litigation on alleged damage to agriculture by fluoride than all other pollutants combined." - Weinstein LH. (1983)."Effects of Fluorides on Plants and Plant Communities: An Overview." In: Shupe JL, Peterson HB, Leone NC, (Eds). Fluorides: Effects on Vegetation, Animals, and Humans. Paragon Press. Salt Lake City, Utah. pp. 53-59.

Between 1957 and 1968 "fluoride was responsible for more damage claims against industry than all twenty [nationally monitored air pollutants] combined." - Groth E. (1969). Air is Fluoridated. The Peninsula Observer Jan 27 - Feb 3.

Watch a video

If they are 'in spite of' then why is it that nothing ever seems to get changed. Our water, beer, fizzy drinks etc still contain fluoride and aspartame, in the case of Coca-Cola. Significant research show that these substances are harmful to the human body yet they are still being used to this day, usually under names such as 'NutraSweet' (Aspartame) etc. Fluoride is also supposed to be what's great for your teeth. Well in that case, why is it that the fluoride that is so great for the teeth is responsible for the complete intoxication and poisoning of the human body? "Oh shit, looks like I've been poisoned -- oh well, my teeth are looking good today."

Why do you argue like this?
Can't people be nice?

I can't be bothered to argue.

He never said he came up with the idea of VUE. In fact he was linking videos about it to websites with VUE in them in the forums at that time.

Your ACTUAL accusation of plagarism was about chemicals. I take it you didnt find the REAL person, so wrongling plagarised by Jahzel.

Are you the same 'Americans are great and sweden sucks guy?'. (I'd hate to think these types were multiplying)

"Listen. Read. Think. Calm Down. Relax. Shut the fuck up!" - Bill Hicks

Well listen I'm sorry to upset you mister anonymous, or should I say 'Agent Anonymous'. You seem to do a good job of being an FBI agent than a TWHL member. Making people's lives a misery seems to come natural to you. If you have a problem with what I am about then just ignore me. I'm not interested in your flaw-finding abilities, what I am interested in however is finding an answer for the countless atrocities that are being committed against the human race. I find it much more thought-worthy than your inane accusations.

P.s. I am a fraud am I? Well that's really interesting given the fact that I am not gaining any economical benefit from presenting this information to members of a half-life mapping community or indeed any other gratification. I suggest you go swallow a dictionary before you attempt to beleaguer me, Agent Anonymous. (For some reason that last sentence has more than one meaning)

I would say 'blue sky thinking', but your sky is as dull as it gets. Listen here mister, all I am talking about is what people have been talking about for years. The New World Order, get to grips with it because one day you might just wish you had of. Anyone with an operational brain can see that the world is corrupt, and it is not necessarily a great place. I am not going to be your king, that's absolutely ridiculous. What an absurd statement indeed. You see me as an assault to your free-thinking? Well I rather see it as the other way round. You are trying your best to ridicule these ideas that soon will be come nationally realised anyway. I suggest you go fix some warm milk and have a cat nap.

P.s. Chew on that.

Anonymous wrote:

sticking up for those who you want to be your friends

Well i don't actually care who likes me and who doesn't I only stay here to help new mappers and to have help occasionally.

Ok if we admit you win will you go away?
You win! you certainly showed us that we can not match up against your might and you smighted us good.
Again YOU WIN! YOU WON! HOORAY FOR ANONYMOUS!
Will you go now?

Hey, Anonymous, would you please fuck off or stop like acting some 10-year old tard who's always trying to beat everyone else.

"wohoo i won your out of gas cos i almost made an intelligent statement"

your charcter has already been established by you being proven a plagarizer.

Given the fact that you dont even seem to have a character. What are you? A non-entity?

And incase you coughs didnt realise that this is coughs my thread started by coughs me, then why should I discontinue with what I have to say? You are all for freedom of speech? Aren't you?

If you have a problem with what I am about then just ignore me.

All I mean by that is that I am entitled to say what I want to say and stick by it. Sure, so do you have the right, but if this causes this sort of aggression then just dont bother reading it. You dont have to read what I have to say, go read something else if you find it offensive or distasteful. Also, this is a forum. This is not a convention, this is a TWHL forum. If you really want more evidence of my so-called 'paranoid' theories then I suggest that you yourself go bother researching into it.