Yes, me again... Created 20 years ago2003-09-22 14:00:04 UTC by Djinn

...and I'm back with a question. Might be more later though... :/

Alright. So I run my map. In the first room, there's a door infront of you. However, the door is not visible when you're aiming at it. At the top, it gives me the following error (or whatever it is): 'short ### surfaces' where ### is replaced by a (usually) three-digit number. Now, this happens throughout the map... objects disappearing when you look at them/other objects, and always with that message. I have no idea why it is like this nor how to fix it, so I'd appreciate any help.

Djinn

um, have you tried running vis with the -full command line switch?

if you have, then read up on polygor reduction methods... the short surfaces only appears in software which has a max of about 600-700 surfaces or polys.. i really don't have time now to explain.. check out some tuts on polygor reduction, and vis

Is there a reason you are running the map in software mode?
If you have an OpenGL or Direct3D capable videocard, then change your settings
If you don't, then welcome to mapping last century style, and as Kol mentioned, you will need to do some heavy reading on polygon counts, vis and r_speeds.
Basically your map has more than 800 polygons to be rendered by the engine from where the player is looking. The amount of short surfaces are the number that the engine is NOT drawing because it is in software mode and limited to the magical 800 figure.
Don't forget, what the engine see's and what the player see's are two different things.
FIX: Reduce the amount of brushes...

I was using -dev 'cause the cheats wouldn't work for me otherwise... However, when I play without -dev, that error disappears but no cheats seem to work (god, noclip, give WEAPON/ITEM, impulse, etc)...

Uh. Little help?

Thanks for that though, I didn't know of the limit before.

-dev shows the messages, just because they don't show up doesen't mean there not there...

I know, but I did not get any objects disappearing either...