Spag: i heard of that problem before, some people think it has to do something with your videocard overheating.
And really not bad for your first weapon! You'd mind posting a picture with a wireframe overlay?
todo this: right mouse click in 3d viewport - wireframe overlay.
Modeling Competition 1: Weapons
Created 18 years ago2005-08-07 13:26:58 UTC by
pepper
Created 18 years ago2005-08-07 13:26:58 UTC by
pepper
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 07:21:35 UTC
Post #127382
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 10:29:01 UTC
Post #127418
Last time i normally used 3ds max i had Ge force2 mx 400 and cooler on it didn't worked, now i have ge force 5200 (cooler wokrs fine) : Dunno if thats the problem
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 11:27:34 UTC
Post #127435
I dont know, havent used it much.
Here is my version of the ak-47, made it a month, maby 2 ago. Roughly one hour work, including a msn conversation.
http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/566/pepperak17rc.jpg
Here is my version of the ak-47, made it a month, maby 2 ago. Roughly one hour work, including a msn conversation.
http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/566/pepperak17rc.jpg
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 16:01:19 UTC
Post #127494
Cool.
I reainstalled my grafics card's drivers. Still restarts. Maybe i should download G-max. searches for download
I reainstalled my grafics card's drivers. Still restarts. Maybe i should download G-max. searches for download
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 16:58:32 UTC
Post #127507
Look at the first page, i posted a dl link there.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 17:15:39 UTC
Post #127509
Yeah i already dlded it but it slightly differs from yours. when i right click red meniu shows up and it has many choices but none of them are the one you selected. In this case Edged faces.
i know very lame quality.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 18:02:56 UTC
Post #127512
ah, my error, right click it on the word perspective 
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Posted 18 years ago2005-08-13 19:39:28 UTC
Post #127516
Pepper: Thanks for the quick replies and all the box modeling links: They are all very helpful!!! 
I'm going to stick to box modeling for a while as per your recommendation. It looks way faster/easier, which definitely works for me. I'll post something as soon as it becomes respectable...
SpaG: Your Ak looks pretty sweet! Pepper will make modelers of us yet!
I'm going to stick to box modeling for a while as per your recommendation. It looks way faster/easier, which definitely works for me. I'll post something as soon as it becomes respectable...
SpaG: Your Ak looks pretty sweet! Pepper will make modelers of us yet!
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 04:54:40 UTC
Post #127537
You can learn everyone to model, but you cant learn someone to see. You got to see how you can make a model from a picture. When you can see that, you can model anything!
I still got a extremely good box modeling tutorial somewhere created by a guy called Maty/M@ty, its the best one out there for milkshape.
I still got a extremely good box modeling tutorial somewhere created by a guy called Maty/M@ty, its the best one out there for milkshape.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 06:41:13 UTC
Post #127557
Can you model using vertexes in G-max? Like in milkshape. Then you manually make faces out of them.
nah it was my bad i misread "Right click on the perspective word" thought that word was viewport.
nah it was my bad i misread "Right click on the perspective word" thought that word was viewport.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 06:54:26 UTC
Post #127561
It seems really easy 
So can you just draw around a picture and it will make it
So can you just draw around a picture and it will make it
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 06:54:47 UTC
Post #127563
Yup, create a plane, then edit mesh, go into vertex mode(expand the edit mesh modifier) delete all of the vertexes, then scroll down and create a vertex.
Want to make a face/polygon between them? Go into face/polygon mode and click create, the vertexes will appear again and you can make polygons the same way as in milkshape.
And for those that want to get really serious:
http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764537571.html
I have heard a lot of good things about this book, though i havent got it yet myself.
Want to make a face/polygon between them? Go into face/polygon mode and click create, the vertexes will appear again and you can make polygons the same way as in milkshape.
And for those that want to get really serious:
http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764537571.html
I have heard a lot of good things about this book, though i havent got it yet myself.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:26:32 UTC
Post #127568
do you use this technique to create things?
Hmm i when i make faces they are only visable from one side how do i make it viewable from all the sides? do i have to remake the faces in other order.
Hmm i when i make faces they are only visable from one side how do i make it viewable from all the sides? do i have to remake the faces in other order.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:37:29 UTC
Post #127570
Di you want it to be visible from 2 sides? Then you need to create 2 faces on both sides.
Modeling is in this aspect different from mapping, because what you are experiencing is called backfaces. these faces can be show in the editor(right click perspective - backfaces) but wont be rendered in game and also not taken into account when calculating the poly-count.
You got to see it as a brush full with null textures except one side, and only that side will be rendered.
@ habboi, it is possible what you are talking about, its called spline editing, and the editor wont just make it, you got to do it.
You define it in pachtes of 4 with splines all in one shape, then you drop in a surface modifer, a edit mesh and then you collapse it in the stack to the modifier.
Modeling is in this aspect different from mapping, because what you are experiencing is called backfaces. these faces can be show in the editor(right click perspective - backfaces) but wont be rendered in game and also not taken into account when calculating the poly-count.
You got to see it as a brush full with null textures except one side, and only that side will be rendered.
@ habboi, it is possible what you are talking about, its called spline editing, and the editor wont just make it, you got to do it.
You define it in pachtes of 4 with splines all in one shape, then you drop in a surface modifer, a edit mesh and then you collapse it in the stack to the modifier.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:39:50 UTC
Post #127571
forgot to ask how do you add blueprints and other stuff there?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 07:44:57 UTC
Post #127573
select viewport
pres ALT-B
PIcture says more then a thousand words:
With files you can select a picture.
Here is a possible example award, depends on if 7th can implement it into the system.
nothing serious, just a quik example.
pres ALT-B
PIcture says more then a thousand words:
Here is a possible example award, depends on if 7th can implement it into the system.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 08:07:39 UTC
Post #127577
hmmm can i make the grid more smaller as when i select a background pic and want to add a vertex it doesn't let me add where i want.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 08:15:13 UTC
Post #127581
Ah, you have snap to grid enabled, make sure none of these: icons are on.
You can find them right at the bottom a bit right from the middle.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 08:56:25 UTC
Post #127587
pepper about this awart thingy, i suggest take something like a low poly gun smoothshaded with wireframe overlay, coming like from that black hole.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 09:04:54 UTC
Post #127589
Aye, good idea, il work out something.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 09:53:19 UTC
Post #127598
i got another question. How to scale?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 10:02:16 UTC
Post #127600
Fiddle around with these buttons and scaling on a single axis, that is really the only way to find the right way for scaling, you cant really explain it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 10:10:16 UTC
Post #127601
hmmm noone fits my needs. I just want to do it like in milkshape that opossing vertexes would go near each other like weld but wont be welded and would be away from each other.
I notices that when i select only 2 vertexes it does that normally so i'll have to select only by 2 and do what i want.
I notices that when i select only 2 vertexes it does that normally so i'll have to select only by 2 and do what i want.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 10:26:31 UTC
Post #127603
Use the second one in the deployeble list and scale over ONLY one axis. That should do the job.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 10:33:31 UTC
Post #127604
You deserve forum award
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 10:58:52 UTC
Post #127607
Meh, its nice to help people with this program, it has a high learning curve and most of the things i had to figure out myself, so why not spread all that gained knowdledge!
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 14:41:05 UTC
Post #127658
Maybe you should start tutoring people pepper 
once ive reformatted my computer, would it be possible to use a different modeller, like blender or something similiar?
P.S you really should get a forum award you know
once ive reformatted my computer, would it be possible to use a different modeller, like blender or something similiar?
P.S you really should get a forum award you know
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 15:08:41 UTC
Post #127665
how do i rotate an object?
Edit:
Nevermind found that myself
Edit:
Nevermind found that myself
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 16:39:37 UTC
Post #127672
hehehe, you dont need me anymore 
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Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 16:59:37 UTC
Post #127674
i searched for that like half an hour.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 17:15:07 UTC
Post #127675
Ah, i saw the message to late, i was playing a game.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 18:03:21 UTC
Post #127676
No, i'm not accusing you for not answering to my question in time
How to look how many polys my model has?
How to look how many polys my model has?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 18:28:09 UTC
Post #127678
In Gmax:
File - File properties - click on content box, a face is the same as a polygon. To be able to view this information you got to atleast have saved your file ones, otherwise it cant read the information from the file :glad:.
@38_98 : sure, bit of change in the rules, supply me a file that you can open in G-max, Milkshape, or blender. This should become considereble more filetypes since blender and milkshape have a collection of importers.
File - File properties - click on content box, a face is the same as a polygon. To be able to view this information you got to atleast have saved your file ones, otherwise it cant read the information from the file :glad:.
@38_98 : sure, bit of change in the rules, supply me a file that you can open in G-max, Milkshape, or blender. This should become considereble more filetypes since blender and milkshape have a collection of importers.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-14 18:31:11 UTC
Post #127679
hmmm 2071 faces. That means polys?
And how to turn off the wireframe overlay thingy.
And how to turn off the wireframe overlay thingy.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 03:59:06 UTC
Post #127703
Yup.
right click on the word perspective - edged faces on/off
right click on the word perspective - edged faces on/off
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 09:49:17 UTC
Post #127727
http://www.spag.projektas.lt/files/kalasas.jpg
BTW i'm deleting old pics posted by me. Since they are eating my space
BTW i'm deleting old pics posted by me. Since they are eating my space
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 12:55:26 UTC
Post #127756
Looking very good Spag, im impressed!
in the modifier list drop in a meshsmooth, now it will apply the standard smoothing games have(hl1,hl2 farcry, doom3 etc.). Do this with every object to view the smoothing.
in the modifier list drop in a meshsmooth, now it will apply the standard smoothing games have(hl1,hl2 farcry, doom3 etc.). Do this with every object to view the smoothing.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 13:12:56 UTC
Post #127766
Thanks
hmm that meshsmooth messed up model a bit. Some parts are invisable and others look blah. Maybe something wrong with polygons?
hmm that meshsmooth messed up model a bit. Some parts are invisable and others look blah. Maybe something wrong with polygons?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 15:59:54 UTC
Post #127797
Hmm, you got a picture of the error?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 16:28:53 UTC
Post #127802
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 17:44:58 UTC
Post #127818
Hmm, i have that to, only when i drop a meshmooth over it it kills the error. You tryed welding the vertexes? Or clear your smoothing groups?
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 17:51:56 UTC
Post #127822
yeah tried velding heals some parts but not all... and what about groups and meshmooth thingy
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-15 18:28:22 UTC
Post #127825
Send the .gmax file to my email adress and il see what i can do.
casdewit [AT] xs4all [DOT] nl
casdewit [AT] xs4all [DOT] nl
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 10:09:42 UTC
Post #127955
Sent.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 10:26:11 UTC
Post #127967
Received, and this is what i found:
After i deleted some of your outer polygons on the buttstock i found polygons inside it. This creates the error since its getting smoothed over these polygons.
solution:
delete the extrusion, re-create the side faces and re-extrude it, that should solve it.
solution:
delete the extrusion, re-create the side faces and re-extrude it, that should solve it.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 15:55:25 UTC
Post #128009
Wow SpaG, the amount of detail in your last--non-error--AK is astounding... Looks like I'll have to redo mine
Btw, I think it looks better without the meshsmooth. Or maybe just apply it to the parts that ares supposed to look soft like: buttstock, foregrip, maybe the handle.
Pepper: If this opinion is fundamentally wrong, from the perspective of an experienced modeler--that's you--, please slap me with the ignorance stick
Btw, I think it looks better without the meshsmooth. Or maybe just apply it to the parts that ares supposed to look soft like: buttstock, foregrip, maybe the handle.
Pepper: If this opinion is fundamentally wrong, from the perspective of an experienced modeler--that's you--, please slap me with the ignorance stick
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 16:53:18 UTC
Post #128017
No, your right, that is because there is no texture on it. But any game will apply meshsmooth to your mesh, so it gives you a idea how it will look in-game without texture.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 17:06:36 UTC
Post #128019
i noticed that it welds that buggy-ish. It leaves those polygons inside.
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 17:31:05 UTC
Post #128022
Why did you need to weld there? just extrude and scale!
Posted 18 years ago2005-08-16 17:34:32 UTC
Post #128023
didn't know you can that. I extruded every polygon then welded them and then scaled. When i first tried to extrude all selected polygons it didn't worked as i expected so i was doing that manually.
BTW i found how to fix that nasty thing.
BTW i found how to fix that nasty thing.
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