Dunce Americans Created 18 years ago2006-04-08 11:58:23 UTC by satchmo

I understand what you mean fourthgen, but what you say applies to every country. The smart prevail and control while the larger population of dumb people do the tasks like janitor, going to wars, or garbage man. Every country needs a majority of idiots for the jobs needed to sustain the country. ( I use some terms harshly like idiot, but not everyone would be classified as a total idiot, there are variations) There are the same number of janitors, soldiers, garbage men, etc in your country as there is in ours. Its a gentle balance needed. School and college weed out the ones and seperate the people for their roles in society. Same as any other country.

Africa origin theroy: Is just that, a theroy. Pangea is a theroy, and so is evolution. They hold no truth. I believe we did not come from them, you do. No reason to prove the other wrong, the idea was just to think. Some things are impossible to explain, or figure out. Unfortunatly (or conviently) evolution can never be tested or proven. The alotted time period takes too long to monitor over generations.

I think God created the protoplasmic ooze that had the cells which came to evolve and contiued from apes, to us. After we developed the cognative reasoning and self awareness, we became human. This advanced thinking brought us the sense of shame, and emotion. Cells and protoplasmic ooze dont spontaineously appear. Something started it. I also believe that the bible was a huge wave after wave of metaphors pertaining to the scientific workings and laws of the universe. It was only written that way to appeal to a wide audience all throughout time.

This is my opinion and by belief.

Religion has been with man all throughout time. It might be needed for sanity of the species. It brings humans hope and purpose. Perhaps all of it is a lie, so what? It causes people to help others. Its humans who change and use it to control others. I believe most people would go insane if God was proven non-existant, so I think the sanity of the race depends on its beliefs as a whole.

Only fools and idiots mock others beliefs. Look to the mind and thoughts of someone not their belifs. It does not dictate the nature of their being.

Religion has only been with man since reasoned societies were formed surely? I dont think our 2 million year old ancestors looked at the sky and pondered the meaning of the universe and who put them there, more what the hell they were doing out at night with all the crazy prehistoric night beasts.

Only fools and idiots mock others beliefs. Look to the mind and thoughts of someone not their belifs.

I believe that a flying cucumber monster created you, you cannot mock me.

What I love about society is that when people do think up fucking crazy stuff and try to impose that on everyone because of their standing, people tell them what loons they are and ignore them cough tomcruiseholmes. The whole 'religious hatred bill' stood to stop any kind of mockery of religion, the cornerstones of comedy and free speech are our freedoms to show the silly side of something. See Rowan Atkinsons' entire speech to the commons on this subject, it was quite an interesting analysis of comedy and religion.

It does not dictate the nature of their being.

No but it can completely distort their reasoning because of an over-arching set of guidelines, I dont run my life according to one interesting opinion I read, else I'd read the Daily Mail.

Dawn of Religion: Well of course since society and thought were introduced to man. I didnt mean the primitive forms of man. Sorry if I was not clear.

Well, I dont think any religion should be forced on people, and I certainly believe that any religion can be poked fun at for comical relief. The greeks had plays and theatre mocking political leaders and religion and nobody got something up their ass about it. Now when anything like that is done everyone freaks!

At least you believe there were primitive forms of man and not two people that the entire human race descended from, nature would've kindly killed our species out after a few generations of birth defects.

Do you think if Earth was visited by Aliens we would attack, wait, or try to talk peace?

A little far off topic, but an interesting question.

I say we would attack. All the countries are afraid of invaders and war, and would probably attack it. I would like to see peace talks and friendly co-existance but that wouldnt happen because of today's leaders... Imagine if it were to land in Iraq? Laughing out loud!

Only fools and idiots mock others beliefs.

Thats a theroy ZL, a stupid one BTW.....

Nice one, genius.

Ohh, damn you got me G_Kid. what can I say, but I said a hypitrical remark. Damn nice find. I apologize then.

Do you think if Earth was visited by Aliens we would attack, wait, or try to talk peace?

Thats so far off topic I dont know why im dignifying it with a paragraph answer.
Hollywood has so warped our ideas of first contant most peoples reaction would be that the aliens would be evil and that we would fight back valiantly, they'd also all use macs and a single virus would destroy all their ships for some reason.
This needs a new thread, i'm not bothering any more with it here.

His post proves that some Americans are idiots.

I was talking to my wife, and in retrospect, that statement was a bit overly harsh.

Even though I still stand by my previous statement about the importance of good grammar and spelling, I feel that I still owe Xyos212 an apology.

Sorry for resorting to name-calling, but I was partly attacking the American educational system at the same time.

And jobabob is right. Imagine us. We're aliens to other aliens too, and what makes you guys think we would act belligerantly to other alien species in the universe? Imagine the thrill that we must feel if we ever discover another civilization. Why would we automatically attack them?

Hollywood's aliens are vicious because it's fun to watch. Not that "E.T." wasn't fun, but menacing aliens coming to destroy our planet is much more fun than peace-loving aliens.

I think believing that a guy died and came back to life is pretty insane myself and you cant really rebute that.

dude, that happens to like 500 people a day in the USA now...

"on closer inspection his condition has been upgraded to alive"

You think jobabob can be riled by me?

It may be hard to believe, but he may be the only one here who is even more cynical than myself.

how is it possible to be riled by someone that believes a man died for all our wrongdoings, came back to life, then ascended on a cloud to live with his dad forever

When you're at the main forums, click the little arrow thing to the far right of the topic.

It takes a lot less faith to beleive in a flying dead-alive man than t does to hope for the 1-in-1,000,000,000,000 odds that live spontaneously appeared.

J3r3my, by calling you dumb, I was really refering to your beliefs in God. I do not understand why a person would believe such a thing and therefore I think you are naive for believing it. For me it's the equivalent of a man watching a magician perform magic and people believing it is magic. I would think they are dumb, and in the same respect I think you are dumb.

Why would you jump to the conclusion that God created everything just because you don't understand the universe yet? Humans still have much to learn, why don't you just wait?

Magic tricks can be disproven. You really cant disprove the existance of God. Ive thought about it and Ive tried to disprove it and I cant. Thats why Im still a Christian.

But I dont see you being dumb for not believing in God. You cant really prove he exists either. So Im just as right as you are. You cant be right or wrong on something that cant be proven or disproven. Its just a matter of choice based on what you believe...not what you know.

And Im not ignorant to science. I have an interest in it and want to learn more. One of the reasons I believe in God is because everything in the universe fits togother so perfectly its like it was designed that way.

Right, Jeremy.
God and Science are not mutually exclusive. Who do you think set up the laws of physics? Sure everyone KNOWS that things like gravity and friction exist, but who here can tell me WHY they exist? The whole "scientific method" by which we form all of our "scientific laws" is nothing but faith in the unknown. What is an experiment based on a hypothesis if not faith? Faith is nothing but basing your actions on your idea of how things work.

So you choose to beleive that humans will figure everything out eventually, when illiteracy rates are the same as they were in the 19th century. Now THAT's faith!
Just remember how many times Science has been revised and proven wrong -- blatantly. Then think of how many times Christians have revised the bible. Zero. The only time someone revises it, is when they want to start thier own religion of which they are the leader, and from which they make money.

God and Science are mutually exclusive because God is inherently non scientific. Please stop using the 'because we dont know it must be god' argument, its grating.

I never said that. you're the only one that said that. God is NOT inherently non-scientific, you just have to understand that he is the one who CREATED the laws that govern everything else, that is why they don't apply to him.

surely believing he created them is as crazy as believing a flying spaghetti monster did

Magic tricks can be disproven. You really cant disprove the existance of God.

God is NOT inherently non-scientific

Somebody doesn't understand science, clearly, which is worrying for a teacher.

God made everything very cleverly in a certain way so that it would be absolutely impossible to prove his existence

He's not a science teacher so it's not worrying at all, really. I wouldn't ask a logic/computers teacher questions about science and the origins of the universe.

We cannot afford ourselves the luxury of waiting for evidence which clinches the theory.

I'm sure Dubya's glad to hear that there didn't need to be WMDs anyway then so long as they could theoretically be there.

Somebody doesn't understand science, clearly, which is worrying for a teacher.

Well can science prove or disprove the existance of God? If so Id like to see it. If not why are you even bringing this up?

Of course you cant prove or disprove it, thats why any reasoned debate where one person takes the side of God cant really lose.

Solution to this topic:

Satch, a long long time ago i saw a similair show here in The Netherlands, they asked people similair question. Heck, some didint even know where Australia was, i mean c'mon people its a frickin continent, hard to miss.

So yeah, there's always a bunch of idiots in every country walking this earth. They pop-up everywhere and there's nothing you can do against it, thus one shouldnt judge a whole country just because of its whole diversity of people.

you cant possibly be suggesting that man created god, how dare you!

I think I already mentioned that in this thread. The theroy of the "evil genius" who in man's early days he invented religion as a way to control man's primitive violent tendencies in an attempt to control and govern the people with "law". In theroy its the perfect plan. YOu dont obey the law, you burn in hell forever. This of course is theroy, but an interesting one at that.

Maybe when a species evolves past physical shape they become one, and thus God. God could be a highly evolved species who learned how to control evolution and earth. Maybe? Probably not, but fun to think about none the less.

Pepper your like 30 pages too late with that post

Where else can this thread go? After religion what else is there? Abortion, space exploration? Stem cell research? Ozone layer decay? It can go anywhere!!

I bet "evil genius" works for microsoft. Or dell.

I suggest helicopters, anyone seen the new NH-90? Reminds me a awfull lot of the EH-101 Merlin or the CH-149 Comorent, although there pretty much the same eh . Then again, we should have gone for the AB/B-412. Much more power when you need it. Though it is a little expensive. But offshore work is never cheap isnt it?

Or we could start a new thread, I'll try that now

I bet "evil genius" works for microsoft. Or dell.

OH GOD THEY ARE BIG CORPORATIONS THEY MUST BE EVIL [/socialismsoapbox]

Small shops don't have lobbyists bending laws for them in Washington, though.

I pledge alligance to the to the window, of the united companies of Microsoft. And to the O.S. for which it stands, one computer, under XP, for Graphic User interface and compatibility for all!

Ooo, controversial. Good on you, and welcome.

God made everything very cleverly in a certain way so that it would be absolutely impossible to prove his existence

That is absolutely correct. if he left people with no possible doubt as to his existence, then everyone would have to beleive, and then we wouldn't have free will, which is what God gave us all to begin with.

"a species evolves past physical shape????" WTF dude? I can't see a ball of energy coming out of a chicken egg, can you?

Seventh-Monkey: When you say "someone doesn't understand Science." do you mean yourself? That article says "Which is why no scientist will take up the creationist Mackay's challenge to "prove" the truth of Darwin's theory of evolution in a public debate. They know they cannot present a strongly held view based on a body of supporting evidence with the absolute certainty of a revealed truth." Which makes it sound a heck of a lot like a religion. Only instead of saying "God did it." you are saying "We know it happened. We'll get proof later."

Theres a massive amount of evidence for natural selection and given that our entire biological sciences are based around it its one of those things that you cant really argue about, saying its a theory like its something that is only right till disproven is like stating the fundamental laws of physics are just as fallible as something dreamt up by a 1st grade science student.

jobs, you're really wasting your breath with this guy.

I'm going to convert him to aetheism, its my mission in life

also OMG orpheus, I thought I recognised the name from somewhere. PFL's been down for about 3 years now but the site is still semi-up and broken.