Religions view on faith Created 17 years ago2006-11-24 08:00:00 UTC by Madcow

Please don't find this topic offencive, I'm only searching facts.

I'm doing a school work about religion.
We're all doing an article about different topics concerning religion.
I'm doing "Future and destiny" because I don't believe in it myself, but I find it quite interesting.

I have some questions for all you religous here at TWHL which I need to get answeres to.
Answer if you wish.

Question 1:
There are different religions and they all have different views on what the "destiny" is.
If you believe in it, what do you think it is? (please also note what religion you represent)

Question 2:
Who or what decide our destiny?

Question 3:
Is there a faith for a reason?
(Stupid question, I know)
I mean, if god decided that there should be a destiny, then he must have had a reason to, right?
I mean, why remove the free will?

Question 4:
If there is a destiny, why can people do bad things?
This concerns the deterministical versions of the destiny, not the causality ones.

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I know this isn't the best site to ask these questions, but I will ask these questions on other sites aswell to get a more global picture.
I would appreciate any help.

Thanks in advance!

Note:
This is questions, not a discussion thread.
Please don't go like "OMG RELIGION SUCKS" or something like that.
K?

1. Destiny is an idea made up by someone who wanted to be assured that someone/something else is controlling their lives, therefore making anything they do not their fault. 'Comfort food', of sorts.

2. Our actions are what control our future, so, actions.

3. Comfort Food, as above. Handy to stop emos from suiciding, send them to church.

4. Brian Dagmage ni teh brani maeks pepeol go reatrded adn klil otehr peeplez!
...Hehe, no, i just don't believe in destiny.

This post is probably the most serious post that I will ever sobmit in a religious thread, so, enjoy!

I'll tell you what I know and remember about Catholic teachings.

1) I think Christians don't believe in destiny. God gives you freedom to either do good actions, or follow the easier "dark side" to put it one way.
However, you'll hear a lot of Christians saying things like: "It was the will of God that this person died" or "God has a master plan for all of us". I think Christians don't have a consensus on the concept of destiny.

2)We are the ones who decide our destiny, although there are a lot of unexpected factors that we must learn to overcome.
I have a personal theory about destiny. You can't predict the future, but it has already been written. It has a lot to do with atoms and electrons, and I would need more time to elaborate.

3)As I said before, God supposedly gives you free will, so there is no destiny. Having faith means believing in certain things (afterlife, miracles...), but I don't think that includes destiny.

4)If there is no destiny and there is free will, people can do bad things.

Kasperg: I think christians believe in "gods path" (at least it is called to in swedish)
The standard version of gods path is that everyone who becomes christian also gets a "destiny plan" so that they will live a life in 100% harmony, or something like that.

I have a personal theory about destiny. You can't predict the future, but it has already been written. It has a lot to do with atoms and electrons, and I would need more time to elaborate.

Sounds interesting.
In my paper I also have a list of arguments against destiny.
That is:
Determinism: At quantumlevel there are random events
Causality: The neutron decay is not a consequence of anything, it just happens.

But your idea could be possible.
I mean according to the quantum-mechanics, we can't for example know both the speed and the location of an electron, but what if it is decided, but we just can't calculate it.

Penguinboy:
Yeah I guess destiny really is mostly for comfort.
I mean, my opinion is that I don't believe in destiny, but it is good for people in bad times to have something to lean on.

Fate exists because free will doesn't. Ooo, I'm deep. But really, that's how it is. I mean, your opinions and choices are all influenced by other things, so what makes it "free will"?

Do I want to reply your post, or do I not want to reply your post?
I choose to reply your post undependent of my local enviroment.

That's my opinion and you have yours.
I don't want it to turn in to a discussion since I really need to get my questions answered before the thread turns in to massive spamage and gets closed by the moderators.

Yeah, and why do you choose to reply to the post? Because of previous experiences that teaches you what's wisest to do in similar situations. Free will as you think of it comes down to random selections based on nothing.

Question 1-
In Islam.Its a must to believe in destiny.
So every1 who are muslim must believe in destiny.
Question 2-
By Allah/God (and us[I explained in the 4th q.])
Question 3-
Dont know about this.I think every1 born evil or good .Not sure.
Question 4-
Ever heard of "Changing your destiny".I think your actions shape your destiny.

@Madcow: That's the sort of thing I've been thinking about. An electron with a certain speed-vector located in a certain place will be in a precise place with a precise new speed-vector the next instant.
If we consider that every instant is followed by another instant, there is a chain of predetermined events that make up the fabric of space-time.

If everything we know and see is made out of atoms and electrons, the place and speed of everything in every instant is predetermined. Of course, like you said, we can't calculate it. And like I said, we can't predict the future. But it's already been written.

Destiny has always confused me. Sure, to prove that I have free will I could say that I could turn this computer off right now and go out side, or rase my arms up and sing, or randomly curse everyone out of my own accord. But one these things happen that means that they always were going to happen, from the begginging of the universe that moment when I moved my arms up a few inches and broke into a chorus of "where's cpatain kirk" was always going to happen, and there was nothing I could do about it. Other then do something else but then the case would be the same for that action...

ungh, my brain hurts. Sorry if this post sounds stupid, I'm really tired right now.

It makes sense. Since everything happens in only one way, there are no choices, since no matter what you do, it will only go one way.

This is good stuff.
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I guess there is no way you can prove that there is a destiny, or prove the opposite.

Saco: Ok, so according to Islam, events shapes the destiny - Causality, right?

1. destiny = bullshit.

2. Noone else but me and my enviorment.

3. do you have free will? think about it....

4. See answer 1.

And yeah, Ima christian.

No you're not, you're a midget!

An electron with a certain speed-vector located in a certain place will be in a precise place with a precise new speed-vector the next instant.
If we consider that every instant is followed by another instant, there is a chain of predetermined events that make up the fabric of space-time.

That's an interesting theory, makes you think

I've thought more about it, and there's the unexplained fact that the new speed-vector might be unknown. For us, it is.
But at a subatomic level, I don't think there's such a thing as randomness. There's less chance (or none at all) of "something" such as gravity of friction altering the speed-vector of an electron.

"From high up on yer crucifix
You preach about my triple 6
You spit about my this and that
And yank away yer welcome mat
With a coupon Jesus Christ will save
So don't you Christians misbehave
'cuz Santa makes the list himself
And he's rotting on the warehouse shelf"

says it all

I'm not sure of the last question madcow.Its just could be what I think.

Well, after reserching - religions view on faith/destiny is VERY dynamic.
It changes from person to person, so, what you think is what I write.

Thank you all for your help!

Well I started to answer the question but I kinda realised that the response if you said no to #1 would be no, or I don't believe in destiny. Good Luck!