Journal #6170

I rofl'd at the cat questions =)).

Oh about religion(and you anticipatively fucked me because I'll post this comment):

You're right. About those with the Jihad thing ( Muslims or what ?). But most of the religions only teach you to be good, have honor and respect yourself, and more than yourself, the others.
Take Christianity for example. You could easily follow the Decalogue ( well, unless you already masturbated, which I presume you did).
And about gays. You don't have to be a religious person to realize that putting your penis into someone's anus is not only bad, but it can stink.

Fuck off, Striker.
People have been killing in the name of the Christian god for a lot longer than for Allah.
And now we know that not only are you ignorant about faith, but also that you're a homophobe.

Those people didn't respect God's rules. Remember there are good and bad people. And bad people can say they believe in God and follow His rules, but they actually don't.

And I'm not ignorant about faith.

You're saying The Holy Crusades, World Wars 1 and 2 and now the Middle Eastern conflict were just a few people who didn't respect god's rules?

Hitler believed god was on his side. You support genocide, Striker?

Ugh you people are so obtuse. You all argue that Christianity is FACT because of this story book called the bible, yet Christians themselves can't even agree on its meaning. Look at Catholics and Protestants. Look at Hitler. You're obviously going to say his interpretation of the Bible was wrong. How do you know? What proof do you have?
Look at that "church" who protest at soldier's funerals saying AIDs and 9/11 weren't harsh enough. They think they're following the Bible.

I find it utterly amazing that you can hide from fact so effectively in an age where science has come so far.

When we make first contact with an alien race and they teach us about their beliefs which are COMPLETELY different to every major religion on Earth, are you going to claim that your god put a mask on for them?

Fucking retard.

As Urby said, believe in what you want. I don't support genocide.
Religion is a set of rules that tries to make you a better person. And it doesn't succeed in the most of cases. Yes, everything in this Universe is a duality. There isn't good without bad, but you have to try to be a nice person. And religion tries to make you do that.

Don't call me a fucking retard just because I'm a God believer. I respect you as you are, and you have to respect me as I am, because I haven't insulted you in any way. And that's the way a nice person should behave.

My my, this is getting nasty.......

"Remember there are good and bad people."
Good stuff!

"Religion is a set of rules that tries to make you a better person."
I agree with you there, the christian amendments are nothing but positive on paper. The way people have implemented them over the years, however, isn't.

Now I can see religion as something to direct people towards the old, stereotypical, yet mostly correct values (family, helping one another, etc.), however that's where it should end. Taking the thing to extremes like fundamentalism, trying to deny scientific facts, or depending on it completely and nothing else is plain ignorant.

I retract nothing I said, but I do apologise for the harsh tone I said it in.

Terrorists don't really care about others believing what they do, they're just all about their own salvation. Muslims for the most part don't really care about the salvation of others.

And for the love of god. Stop referring to "Christianity" as "religion", you know better. There are thousands of religions and many of them don't even have gods or an explanation for creation or any of the foundations that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are built on. You also have to stop pushing everything as fact, because again, you should know better. I don't think I once heard you say "I believe" or "It's only rational to think that".

Anyway, you're very narrow minded by saying "fuck you I believe what I want to believe" after spending 5 minutes bashing the foundations of Christian faith. You just don't do that.
You know what? Fuck you too, because they're just as entitled to believe what they want to believe, and you know damn well that the vast majority of them are totally harmless, normal people.

Try to be more open minded. Most people aren't even smart enough to understand the concepts of the complex science used today to explain the universe. I mean really, why do you hold it against someone who just finds solace in believing in a higher power or that death isn't the end? And don't say some bullshit about the religious radicals, because you weren't talking about the radicals. You touched on the radicals, but you spent most of your time bashing the harmless foundations, ergo you spent most of your time bashing the normal people.

WC, I'm confused. Are you talking to Urby or to me ?

Urby

"I don't think I once heard you say "I believe""
That's because rational understanding isn't about belief.

And I don't have a problem with belief.
I have a problem with organised religion. That people believe in outdated fairytales. It's sickening.

Religion is okay, but people arent' always good at sticking to the "Don't be a bad person" rules that most religions lay out.
Terrorists are dumbasses,
Hitler was a dumbass,
The KKK were all dumbasses,
And so is everyone else who say they are religious only to turn around and hurt/sabotage/murder people while pretending it's all okay because the people they're harming are different.
Also, it's possible to have religion/beleifs and science walk hand in hand. I personally beleive that God made the big bang, and created the universe that way. This also makes all scientific phenomenon perfectly acceptable along with the beleif in God/gods.

So you have a problem with stupid people?

Only if they pretend to be religous while killing people.
I'd also like to point out I have no problem with gays, as long as they don't hit on me.

Not you; Huntey. I had a longer post, but condensed it and you pulled a 6-minute ninja post on me.

But this bears repeating:
"I'd also like to point out I have no problem with gays, as long as they don't hit on me."

I can't put my finger on the point you're trying to make, WCD.

So I have a problem with stupid people?

Yes. Did I not make that clear?

This is why most sites ban the topic of religion...

Huntey don't bash striker hes a good guy. And Urby you think its cool to talk down on probably half the TWHL community? Were all friends here and helpful to eachother but you want to give us all the finger.

I believe in God but when I think of Hitler, or Dracula, or muslim terrorism, or the klu klux klan or anything like that I come to a quick understanding.  Those people were either bad people or just didn't contemplate or understand what they were actually doing. Maybe some were crazy in the head but why would you look at terrorists and Hitler when thinking of religion.  Why not look at all of the church organizations to feed the homeless?  Or do you think your better than any one person and as did Dracula or Hitler believe that any poor person should be killed rather than helped?

Abortion is a relgious topic yet forget religion for a second and think of the facts.  Its killing your baby and thats it.  Its wrong and ruthless not in opinion but in fact.  Its taking the chance at life weather religion be real or not from someone that can't stop you and are helpless.  Religion just teaches that it is wrong.  Religion teaches that it is wrong to steal.  You feal its ok to steal by Darwinism that your stronger than someone so you can have his food because you can take it from him?  If this was so than there would be no laws and you'd be gaurding your belongings rather than the government enforcing laws to do so.

And don't say you hate politics.  Sure many of them are corrupt and blah blah blah but without them there would'nt be government and without government there wouldn't be order and without order technology wouldn't have time or efficiency to advance and evolve.  You may not like something but it doesn't mean that it isn't needed.

As for religion, its based off of a thing called faith.  Faith is believing in something whihout having evidence.  Of course we'd all believe if we had proof.  But I don't think God would send you to hell if you were generally a good person.

Believe what you want but don't bash others for what they believe!  No one took you by the throat and said "READ THIS BIBLE YOU GODLESS SON OF A B".  Take it from me as your friend, try reading the bible.  Skim through Mathew.  Do a little bit of research before you say you hate something you know nothing about.  Yea some churches are awfull but its not about having a good time on sunday, its about worshiping God and thats it!

I left my church when they got rid of the minister. See: people who say they are religious only to turn around and sabotage/destroy the jobs of people while pretending it's all okay because the people they're harming are different.

"You feal its ok to steal by Darwinism"
What. Please don't tell me you're a creationist.

Also, it should be entirely up to the mother and/or medical specialists to choose whether or not she needs an abortion. The fetus is not self-conscious in the early initial stages, and is a legitimate part of her body, so technically the final call should be the mothers' and shouldn't be considered inhumane or immoral, given there is reason to it.

Darwinism is "the survival of the fittest". The best evolved moth survives because it blends in with a tree while the white moths in the area all get eaten. The strongest man survives because he steals the food from the weaker man. Its the same idea. And if you are fooled to believe that the word abortion defines a practice that is ok than I feel sorry for you. You can't abbort a missile thats already been fired. All you can do is shoot it out of the sky. With pregnancy, once the baby is already being made as it says God even new you in the womb, abortion is killing not aborting. Abort means stop something before its happened. Its just a name given to the practice that should be called murder.

You do have a point, that's the definition of Abortion.
Others could argue that it's aborting a birth, not a fetus being created however. I am not one of them. If the fetus is, well, as far as being a fetus and not an egg, then it's murder in my eyes.
Take the pill or use a condom, damnit!

Ok, I won't be touching on the subject of abortion anymore. I'm clearly not competent enough neither in medical science nor in understanding on how god makes babies.

As for stealing, etc. sure, it's all down to basic instincts in the end. You could to some extent tie it to that theory, I guess. You sound like you're in disagreement with something here though. Penny for your thoughts?

Daubster I can't tell you how earth was created, I wasn't there. I know what I was told but I see it like this. I can create things and make things so why couldn't I have been made by something or someone else? I used to imagine that earth was created by a grain of sand floating around in space for countless centurys until it colided with another grain of sand and than became a rock and colided with another rock and so on. But who knows, you can't put me down for believing that earth was created by God. Science hasn't proven how it was created, thats why its called the big bang "THEORY". No one was there so no one can know for sure.

My disagreements are that people are getting so defensive of things that they don't know for sure. At the same time they are bashing others for their beliefs when neither party knows for sure weather either side be true or not.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, no-one knows for sure, that's normal. I wouldn't say I believe in the big bang theory, as that would take some sort of concrete proof. However, the theory does sound very plausible if you look at it from a scientific/physics angle.

As for god creating us (and I'm not dissing your beliefs here), it just sounds so much less plausible and I'm not even speaking about proof.

And see, there's the problem with beliefs. You don't know for sure. You're assuming. You can't tell if there's really a god creating that baby for the single (albeit careless) mother who knows she can't possibly afford to raise a, say, 3rd child. You don't know, thus you can't really judge whether or not it is right. Neither can I. Thus in my opinion, the judgement is all up to whoever is directly responsible for keeping the baby alive at that point - i.e the mother.

Yea as a pretty religeous person I believe it was created by God but I don't want to tell you that it was because I don't want to sound like a fool that believes in things without evidence. Im interested in brainstorming ways things come to be but I don't care much about things like how the earth was created because I don't think the truth will effect me besides my beliefs. All I do know is that math can proove religion to be true to some extent.

As for abortions, Its the mothers fault in most cases for having the sex therefore its her responsibilty. But you said you were threw talking about it and I am too, most people are pretty solid to how they feal on that issue.

Heh, fair enough.

Kind of said all I wanted to say here. Quite surprised we've managed to maintain a civilized religious discussion so far. ;o

Yea me too. Well the last thing I feel like saying is how math can somewhat proove religion to be right.

x=x, therefore good=good

Good's definition says that good is pleasing, riteous, helping, being kind, being generous, carring etc.

According to the definition of good and the obvious algabreic equation x=x you can say that it is good to be good because according to good's definition it is good and pleasing and if it equals itself than it is good to be good.

Same goes for bad. Bad=Bad. Bad is stealing, lying, cheating, killing, sinning evil. It is bad to do bad because bad=bad therefore it is bad to be bad.

Most religions encourage you to be good which is proven as good with simple algebra.

Am I the only one who cracked up when i saw Hitler and Dracula brought together in one sentence in a religious debate?
Wonderful!

a priest must have raped hunter as a child, it's the only logical explanation i can have for his hate of christianity. it seems he believes every christian is a fundamentalist, when it really couldn't be further from the truth.

i don't know what it's like overseas, but here in australia the majority of the population are atheists. and the christians down here don't try to push their religion on anyone, and neither are we fundamentalist rednecks. i don't believe in the majority of the bible. they're just stories with morals which are meant to guide you in your life choices.

i do believe in the lord jesus christ, however, and everything he stands for.

i personally don't see the problem in striving to live a sinless life.

people just need to realise that some people need to believe in a higher power, to believe there is some sort of purpose to this life. i don't see why anyone should hold that against anyone else.

anyway, say whatever you like, it's not going to change my beliefs or anyone else's beliefs. it's called faith for a reason.

edit: also i have written a short essay on darwinism and its impact on the Catholic Church if anyone wants a read.

Actually something quite real happened to make me hate organised religion, but an internet forum is not the place for it.

Zeeba, that's one ridiculous point.

You might as well as say Flying spaghetti monster = Flying spaghetti monster, which doesn't have anything to do with the credibility of the thing in question.

At huntey-Sure it is! Trapt, I'd like to read your essay if you'd message it to me but I can't today because im doing homework and going to be busy tonight.

My point makes perfect sense if you think about it and apply the definition to the equation.

It seems I put this video up without thinking properly about the consequences. Looking back I can understand how I came off as a bit of a prick.

Actually, a totally moronic and hypocritical arsehole.

I sincerely apologize to anyone I've offended and I will probably remove the video soon and apologize in my next vlog (tomorrow as a matter of fact) to anyone who happens to have been offended by it.

It was the end of a long day and it was an extremely poor attempt at humor that got out of hand.

You should start wearing your trilby while Vlogging.

" But who knows, you can't put me down for believing that earth was created by God. Science hasn't proven how it was created, thats why its called the big bang "THEORY".
It's called the Big Bang Theory because it's an attempt to explain an observed fact, not because it hasn't been proven. The Big Bang has been "proven" just as concretely as the Theory of Gravity. Please look into what constitutes a scientific theory, and how one differs from the textbook definition of a theory. It's important to know this because if the Big Bang turns out to be wrong, then we literally know nothing about the nature of our universe. Nothing. And I'll gladly explain why if you think that's a bogus statement.

Also, the Big Bang Theory doesn't explain how the universe was created, that's a very common misconception. It only explains what happens at T= 10^(-43) second after creation. We haven't developed any physics to explain the complex nature of our universe before that point in time. It has nothing to do with how the universe was actually created in the first place, only how it developed after an unimaginably short amount of time.

Don't apologize Urby. You are well within your rights to express youreslf, i believe that it is called 'Freedom of Expression' a basic human right. Anyway, your opinions were valid, made sense and you didn't bring other people into the debate. I am religeous but I follow no religeon, if you get what I mean. And I quote A Stephen King book/movie:

"Put more than two people into a room and it won't be long till they pick sides and think of reasons to kill each other. That's why we invented polotics and religion"

Zeeba-G, I can honestly say that your mathematical equation for good and evil is, as Daubster said, fairly ridiculous. If someone needs algebra to understand and prove that being good is a good thing, or being bad is a bad thing, then I have serious concerns about the capabilities of their brain, or lack there of.

Such concepts come naturally to Humans.

Also, for goodness sakes people! Why the hell can't you shorten down your posts!? I come back to TWHL on a Friday, notice this, want to find out more and my eyeballs get assaulted by massive blocks of text. Please put TL;DR warnings for the lazy man here next time.

P.S Drop the homophobia. We live in the 21st Century for petes sake. Lets start acting like we do.

Most of the text on this page is pure rubbish. Religion discussions are pointless. Drop it already.
Also, Striker is an idiot for hating on gays.

Religion as guidelines of how you want to live your life is fine by me, but I think it definitely shouldn't become too much more. Also, believe what you want to believe, not what others want you to believe. I'm looking at you, organised religon.

"I'd also like to point out I have no problem with gays, as long as they don't hit on me."

PB: They all result in the same way, so yeah, they're pretty pointless.

Yea well I don't except gayness as ok, its gross! I mean I except people that are but I still don't think its ok.

It's not our way, but it's no reason to shun them.
Were the KKK right to shun Black people? No.

The word is "accept". I want to beat you for saying "except" twice in a row.

you want to beat me off? Gross...

This is why you aren't allowed to take part in a debate.

I just want to say, putting any sort of blame for WWI and WWII on religion is utterly stupid. Those wars were motivated by politics, not religion. Nazi Germany may have acknowledged God, but were much more Atheist in their views than Christian. Many Christians in Nazi Germany were intensely persecuted as well, and many helped shelter Jews that would have otherwise been killed in concentration camps. Anyone who blames most of the world's wars on religion needs to get their facts straight. Most wars are caused by political reasons such as desire for land and resources, control of people, control of strategic locations (port cities, trade centers, etc.), political rivalry and other things.