I think much more important than what u use for unseen faces is the aforementioned "clip economy" mode under advanced compile, which lowered our usage something like 30%
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Well, it didn't make more than a 1 or 2 percent reduction in clipnode usage on our map; maybe Lukas can share his test results in here.
I think much more important than what u use for unseen faces is the aforementioned "clip economy" mode under advanced compile, which lowered our usage something like 30%
I think much more important than what u use for unseen faces is the aforementioned "clip economy" mode under advanced compile, which lowered our usage something like 30%
I think Lukas did various tests using
BEVELSKYNULLI hope i have the time and motivation to make a tutorial or a write up on how I optimized that map. I think everyone on this site should have those skills.^ Yeah dude that would be an incredibly-helpful tutorial! Write it while all the info is fresh in your mind!
I have actually found out through testing that passable func_details generate clipnodes and func_illusionaries do not.Yes, but i think only if you use
clip economypresiceDoes func_detail play any useful role then?
After that last day making the map, I went to sleep and saw hint brushes XDIt's a bird, it's a plane, wait, it's HINTMAN! Striving to make maps right which once went wrong, hoping each time his next compile, will be the compile home
If I learned one thing from this it would be that I NEVER want to make a 1.6 map ever again(at least not without Tetsu0 to optimize and debug).. What a royal pain in the ass!
D'aw thanks Archie!
I have a new-found respect for you having to deal with Goldsource these past years working on The Core; I forgot what a PITA it is compared to GO mapping, in terms of resource limits, random-ass errors, friggin' everything really
Having Sledge Editor and Tetsu0 to debug shit made it managable tho. I can personally only take so much from GS's quirkiness before giving up..
I have a new-found respect for you having to deal with Goldsource these past years working on The Core; I forgot what a PITA it is compared to GO mapping, in terms of resource limits, random-ass errors, friggin' everything really
Having Sledge Editor and Tetsu0 to debug shit made it managable tho. I can personally only take so much from GS's quirkiness before giving up..
Depending on how many maps you need, i recommend these maps from my workshop(in order of playability):
de_747
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=165355848
de_met
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=125794216
de_excelsior
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267350107
de_battleschool
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=194949600
If I could only choose one map, it would be de_747, the rest are compeletey optional
de_747
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=165355848
de_met
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=125794216
de_excelsior
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267350107
de_battleschool
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=194949600
If I could only choose one map, it would be de_747, the rest are compeletey optional
Will there be any golden rufee's minted as prizes for this time around mister rufee? Also I would like to add a mystery prize to one winner for the prize kitty.
Yeah Doc-O, also Source projects have a notoriously-high mortality rate here...
WOW Stu, haven't heard that in years! sounds like steely da..ohhhhhhh 
When u and your m8 enter a server and go PEW PEW! You have GO Jessie?
Can't wait for this, I better start practicing right now ...
^ It's always knife to have meetings on the server =P
Great thread idea Archie! All the tips I can think of are pretty general/fundamental, so I'll wait until I have a good one.
Alberto
I think TJB is being ironical
Great thread idea Archie! All the tips I can think of are pretty general/fundamental, so I'll wait until I have a good one.
Alberto
I think TJB is being ironical
This tower be gettin' tall. It would be a shame if something happened to it... badass -Lo, this tower of babel!
Count me in, basemaps ftw! =P
Strider
Those HOTT-new textures are game-changing, awesome work sir!!
Those HOTT-new textures are game-changing, awesome work sir!!
Alberto
Tbh, I can make those MUCH more easily out of brushes, so I'd say forget the stalagtites/mites.
NONE of the textures in the map are final right now either, so it's hard to answer your question(s). You make good points doe
We have modellers already and less people to unwrap/paint them, so it's improbable you're going to get someone to unwrap/paint them for you.
If you'd like to make any original models that fit the theme and you can get them skinned somehow, go right ahead. If not, I'm afraid we might not need you on this one..
Sorry HOMIE!
Tbh, I can make those MUCH more easily out of brushes, so I'd say forget the stalagtites/mites.
NONE of the textures in the map are final right now either, so it's hard to answer your question(s). You make good points doe
We have modellers already and less people to unwrap/paint them, so it's improbable you're going to get someone to unwrap/paint them for you.
If you'd like to make any original models that fit the theme and you can get them skinned somehow, go right ahead. If not, I'm afraid we might not need you on this one..
Sorry HOMIE!
TL:DR, brushwork your heart out with sledge and I can convert the crazy stuff into models.Awesome!
That relieves some of my worry about running out of brushes. Hope to update the map tonight with t-spawn additions.
Also, if you would like to make them out as brushwork, I could convert them to ".obj" and then compile them to ".mdl". Your choice.OOhhh that would be extremely useful Alberto, kinda like Propper for GS? will the textures stay put too? I think Tet was also trying to do this in Blender, but he might have had some issues getting everything to work.
I'll throw some brushwork props in your dropbox folder folder to test... =)
It's a good question alberto. Can you give us 2 sets, one with the cave-textured one's and one with one of Strider's limestone textures?
Again, if you can give us scales ranging from small flashlight-sized ones to big columns, with varying lengths. This should give us some nice peripheral detail without taking away from our brushes budget
Again, if you can give us scales ranging from small flashlight-sized ones to big columns, with varying lengths. This should give us some nice peripheral detail without taking away from our brushes budget
Aw man sorry really to see you go Rimmeh, but we understand you have RL commitments.. ='(
But now we have some holes to fill, the big ones left being Long and B bombsite.
Soon as my areas are done I can take one or the other if they're still unclaimed. it would make sense for me or Myles to take Long I guess, since our areas both adjoin it
Lukas
Maybe you can take B bombsite?(Alberto is contributing models only, and afaik Strider is only helping with texture stuff)
Current Roster of Teamates
Alberto
CapT
Jessie
Luxasz
Rimrook
Strider
Tetsu0
zeeba-G (Project Leader)
I also agree expanding the layout in any major way is a bad idea now; we can always add crash edits at the very end if we discover major gameplay holes.
Excited about what the end product will look like!
But now we have some holes to fill, the big ones left being Long and B bombsite.
Soon as my areas are done I can take one or the other if they're still unclaimed. it would make sense for me or Myles to take Long I guess, since our areas both adjoin it
Lukas
Maybe you can take B bombsite?(Alberto is contributing models only, and afaik Strider is only helping with texture stuff)
Current Roster of Teamates
Alberto
CapT
Jessie
Luxasz
Rimrook
Strider
Tetsu0
zeeba-G (Project Leader)
I also agree expanding the layout in any major way is a bad idea now; we can always add crash edits at the very end if we discover major gameplay holes.
Excited about what the end product will look like!
Those multi-part doors are amazings TJB
Mod
No-Mod
Details
Now I feel really bad I'm one of the few members here who haven't been part of a mod... sads..
Why It Failed
Because not exist ='(
The next time I Join Mod I will...
Maybe start a TWHL mod after the GB contest? I call dibs on
No-Mod
Details
Now I feel really bad I'm one of the few members here who haven't been part of a mod... sads..
Why It Failed
Because not exist ='(
The next time I Join Mod I will...
Maybe start a TWHL mod after the GB contest? I call dibs on
- The great Hall of Dicks
- Whorish Alleyway
- Penguinboy's Lightning bolts
- func_vehicle: MASSIVE Truck of FAIL
Yeah that would be really awesome Tet!
Boys and girls, we are now very close to the fun part of the team-mapping experience:
The Mapping and the Detailing!
Having FINALLY filled in the remainder of the shell covering Zeeba's extremely fun-to-play base layout, I'd like everyone to start looking at the Dibs Sheet in the
All current claimed areas are still up-in-the-air, and subject to change, e.g., just because my name is listed on CT spawn, doesn't mean I HAVE to do it. if someone else had their heart set on taking it
Once all the areas are claimed--and we all agree--we can proceed in a couple different ways:
Method One
Give me sketches of how you want the area to look, and Myles or myself or someone else will flesh it out for you. If you didn't have the time for example
Method Two
Once you've received a copy of the RMF, built all your brushwork and placed all your models and sprites, textures, etc., PM it to me. From here I will optimize--if necessary--, and integrate your work into the final map.
With Myles permission, I'll be doing the final compile with Sledge.
I think this will be the most efficient way to finish the map on time, and should work for everyone--whether you have a lot of time or just a little!
What do you guys think?
The Mapping and the Detailing!
Having FINALLY filled in the remainder of the shell covering Zeeba's extremely fun-to-play base layout, I'd like everyone to start looking at the Dibs Sheet in the
Map/LayoutAll current claimed areas are still up-in-the-air, and subject to change, e.g., just because my name is listed on CT spawn, doesn't mean I HAVE to do it. if someone else had their heart set on taking it
Once all the areas are claimed--and we all agree--we can proceed in a couple different ways:
Method One
Give me sketches of how you want the area to look, and Myles or myself or someone else will flesh it out for you. If you didn't have the time for example
Method Two
Once you've received a copy of the RMF, built all your brushwork and placed all your models and sprites, textures, etc., PM it to me. From here I will optimize--if necessary--, and integrate your work into the final map.
With Myles permission, I'll be doing the final compile with Sledge.
I think this will be the most efficient way to finish the map on time, and should work for everyone--whether you have a lot of time or just a little!
What do you guys think?
TJB
No worries m8! I hope you join the next one because ANY team would benefit from your mapping skills
No worries m8! I hope you join the next one because ANY team would benefit from your mapping skills
Looks Really cool!
Maybe you and Penguinboy can trade some development secrets and improve both programs in the process
Maybe you and Penguinboy can trade some development secrets and improve both programs in the process
^^ Indeed we did, but I think we should give Rim total control of designing the bombsite tech--SEE SKYPE. Rimmeh can choose to use our recommendations or not? [/2cents]
Also you guys should be chatting about this type of stuff on Skype NOT at TWHL, but meh... Would IRC or something else be a better alternative for everyone to communicate ideas?
Edit
On Skype with Tetsu0 now, join the fun if you can!
Also you guys should be chatting about this type of stuff on Skype NOT at TWHL, but meh... Would IRC or something else be a better alternative for everyone to communicate ideas?
Edit
On Skype with Tetsu0 now, join the fun if you can!
There's a pending DB invite already for
Alberto309@gmail.comOoh never herd of func_group, what is that?
Leak pointfile not being generated
I'm sure this is already a known issue and/or this feature has not been implemented yet. I'm not getting a pointfile generated when leaks are present atm..
Group behavior suggestion
If all the objects of a group but one are deleted, the group should automatically be dissolved, i.e., perhaps make it mandatory for a group to have AT LEAST two objects.
I'm sure this is already a known issue and/or this feature has not been implemented yet. I'm not getting a pointfile generated when leaks are present atm..
Group behavior suggestion
If all the objects of a group but one are deleted, the group should automatically be dissolved, i.e., perhaps make it mandatory for a group to have AT LEAST two objects.
Skype crashes Alberto's computer but he's willing to work on prop models if we assgn him any.Durr I can't read!(and I complain about other people not reading the thread) =P
Meantime you can use the thread to communicate and show off WIPs--though I would prefer everyone else to use Skype--, and you can add change notes to the various "notes" txt files on the Dropbox.
The final Roster of Team Members
Alberto
CapT
Jessie
Luxasz
Rimrook
Strider
Tetsu0
zeeba-G (Project Leader)
Hopefully we'll have some more structure and tasks for you all very soon!
Aw, I was going to offer my services as a prop modeller.Righhht. I asked you repeatedly to join up, and at the very moment we cut it off you NOW want to join?
I'm gonna say "no" unless Zeeba wants to override me. Besides, we aren't utilizing the people we have now since we are not very well organized, AND we already have modellers so... sorry mate!
Alberto
Ok! Please start modelling some stalagmites and stalactites in sizes from very small to very large--say flashlight-sized to large column sizes, with varying lengths. Place your completed models in the "Alberto" folder on dropbox.
I've added you to Skype as a contact, once you accept I'll invite you to the group conversation where you can show off you WIPs. (We are not using teamspeak, if you don't want to use skype you can show off your work on the dropbox, which i'll invite you too right now)
Agreed Rim they make me think of NS too.
Modelers
Right now we are kind of up in the air. If you wanted, you could build modular assets like supports, props, door trim, or ANYTHING else that would fit the advanced-techno-subterranean theme. Hopefully we'll have some more structure and a Model Requests folder for you soon on the Dropbox!
Zeeba
With your permission I'm gonna start closing in the map and removing the skybox. Maybe then we can create the talked about Tasks folder, where team members can pick what areas they'd like to work on.
We have a good chunk of people now. At this point I'd recommend we don't accept anymore people, and start putting the ones we have to work! Current team members by my accounting:
CapT
Jessie
Luxzsz
Rimrook
Strider
Tetsu0
Zeeba
Alberto
You are the only one I haven't heard back from yet. If you're still interested in helping out, let me or zeeba know and we'll invite you to the DB folder and Skype conversation.
Modelers
Right now we are kind of up in the air. If you wanted, you could build modular assets like supports, props, door trim, or ANYTHING else that would fit the advanced-techno-subterranean theme. Hopefully we'll have some more structure and a Model Requests folder for you soon on the Dropbox!
Zeeba
With your permission I'm gonna start closing in the map and removing the skybox. Maybe then we can create the talked about Tasks folder, where team members can pick what areas they'd like to work on.
We have a good chunk of people now. At this point I'd recommend we don't accept anymore people, and start putting the ones we have to work! Current team members by my accounting:
CapT
Jessie
Luxzsz
Rimrook
Strider
Tetsu0
Zeeba
Alberto
You are the only one I haven't heard back from yet. If you're still interested in helping out, let me or zeeba know and we'll invite you to the DB folder and Skype conversation.
Sorry we missed you Rimmeh! Don't be afraid to call us out; I'm willing to chat on Skype anytime!
To be fair we didn't talk about too much. Myles and I ported the "compromise" layout to csgo and had some fun playtesting with bots--each on our own, no server. The layout still needs work of course, but it's fun to play and a really good start
Give what you can and DO NOT sacrifice your RL responsibilities for this, it's just for fun! Even 5% effort from you is more than most of us can do tryharding ;p
To be fair we didn't talk about too much. Myles and I ported the "compromise" layout to csgo and had some fun playtesting with bots--each on our own, no server. The layout still needs work of course, but it's fun to play and a really good start
Give what you can and DO NOT sacrifice your RL responsibilities for this, it's just for fun! Even 5% effort from you is more than most of us can do tryharding ;p
Invite sent, welcome aboard Tet! =)
GET ON SKYPE YOU BASTARDS
Maybe consider have 2-3 working layouts developed concurrently, keeping the one that turns out the best for final detailing and lighting passes
Strider
Awesome! I'm sure it will look better than than the out_grvl2 texture I've been using for cave walls so far ;p Also, I still need a Skype name from you to invite you to our convo, though to be fair we haven't been using it all that much yet...
Tetsu0
Are you in on this after reading the brief then?(y/n) If y I'll send you an invite to the Dropbox and our Skype conversation
Alberto
Haven't heard back from you either after we sent you the recap. Same as above, if you're in let me know, and I'll invite you to stuff homie
Everybody
Please consider trading your ideas and WIP on Skype instead of in here, so we aren't revealing our entire plans to the competition! However, if you-all would just rather discuss it here I guess that's fine too
Awesome! I'm sure it will look better than than the out_grvl2 texture I've been using for cave walls so far ;p Also, I still need a Skype name from you to invite you to our convo, though to be fair we haven't been using it all that much yet...
Tetsu0
Are you in on this after reading the brief then?(y/n) If y I'll send you an invite to the Dropbox and our Skype conversation
Alberto
Haven't heard back from you either after we sent you the recap. Same as above, if you're in let me know, and I'll invite you to stuff homie
Everybody
Please consider trading your ideas and WIP on Skype instead of in here, so we aren't revealing our entire plans to the competition! However, if you-all would just rather discuss it here I guess that's fine too
Can you set up some trigger for when the bomb goes off (a normally unreachable func_breakable or something)? Wouldn't be hard to make some collapsing-cavern effects (falling rocks and quaking, etc) if so.Indeed, that's good idea Jessica!
Sure! That would add a creepy borg enclave and/or Matrix pod eeriness to the map
That orb thing looks like a lovely thing to bomb.Indeed it does!
I think everyone will be updating there prototype areas after seeing these Rimmah! That first pic might make good bombsite material as well, as the main reactor to the facility maybe?
I was thinking also possibly a good target for one of the bombsites might be a fancy "rejuvenation pod"--think the sarcophagi from Stargate SG-1--, that would basically give the group that controlled it immortality.
Those look incrediballs Rim, exactly the look we want
I see you fixed the issues with multiple configurations PB(unless I was messing something up before). I now can edit CS1.6 and HLDM maps at the same time via tabs, and everything works perfectly, great work!
Indeed Rim, this month is gonna go by quick people, so take advantage of that inspiration when it hits
I'm prototyping some cave hallways and 'Techy' structures & supports now, will upload to the DB if anything looks good.
I'm prototyping some cave hallways and 'Techy' structures & supports now, will upload to the DB if anything looks good.
^^ Same here! TBH we shouldn't need that many custom ones, but at least we now have Rimmeh for the few really important ones that we do! I'll still play at creating the 'techy' ones we spoke about, but no promises on a good end result
That floating pad is awesome Zeeba-G, the animated texture looks great! I'm so excited to see what we'll be able to collectively come up with
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Well, after spending my entire friday night unproductively trying to fix my mate's shite Windows 8 machine, I will try to get some concept sketches of the bombsites up before bedtime...
That floating pad is awesome Zeeba-G, the animated texture looks great! I'm so excited to see what we'll be able to collectively come up with
Edit
Well, after spending my entire friday night unproductively trying to fix my mate's shite Windows 8 machine, I will try to get some concept sketches of the bombsites up before bedtime...
Invite sent, Welcome Rimmeh! =P
Invite sent! Welcome Luxasz =)
Right now we're asking everyone to submit area sketches you think would fit the map(from the ideas discussed in the recap).
Alberto
Absolutely we could homie! I'll ask Zeeba CC you a copy of the recap, along with maybe some models we may need off the top of his head. If you are still interested after reading the brief, I'll invite you to the dropbox
Right now we're asking everyone to submit area sketches you think would fit the map(from the ideas discussed in the recap).
Alberto
Absolutely we could homie! I'll ask Zeeba CC you a copy of the recap, along with maybe some models we may need off the top of his head. If you are still interested after reading the brief, I'll invite you to the dropbox
Heh, I never noticed
ClipTool BrushesStrider
Awesome to have your help sir!I 'll ask Zeeba to also send you some of the texture types we're looking for in addition to the recap brief, and invite you to the dropbox
Tet
Let us know once you read the recap if you're onboard, and I'll invite you to the Dropbox folder as well sir.
Luxasz
Same as above if you are still interested joining the party after seeing the brief, I can invite you via email to the team.twhl folder.
Everybody
You may label your uploaded work to DB so it's more clear who's working on what OR NOT, since you may also right-click any file in the folder and select "previous versions", to see who uploaded/modified it.
Awesome to have your help sir!I 'll ask Zeeba to also send you some of the texture types we're looking for in addition to the recap brief, and invite you to the dropbox
Tet
Let us know once you read the recap if you're onboard, and I'll invite you to the Dropbox folder as well sir.
Luxasz
Same as above if you are still interested joining the party after seeing the brief, I can invite you via email to the team.twhl folder.
Everybody
You may label your uploaded work to DB so it's more clear who's working on what OR NOT, since you may also right-click any file in the folder and select "previous versions", to see who uploaded/modified it.
Also Rim, Archie already mentioned he's going solo on this one and Urbs can sure make textures but he hasn't expressed interest, so...
Right now it's just Zeeba, Jessica and me(and Luxasz, if he decides to join in)
Right now it's just Zeeba, Jessica and me(and Luxasz, if he decides to join in)
Haha gotcha =P
BTW Jessica, Myles and I had a productive brainstorming session, I'm working up a recap for you now(hopefully you'll agree!). Also Myles will be Project leader on this one =P
BTW Jessica, Myles and I had a productive brainstorming session, I'm working up a recap for you now(hopefully you'll agree!). Also Myles will be Project leader on this one =P