The Fraud - Exposed Created 18 years ago2006-01-07 09:04:17 UTC by Trapt

trapt:

Last night, it came to my attention that habboi was in fact booted from the NightFall team. No, he didn't leave as he told us, he was booted.

The reasons were simple: his mapping was not up to the standard in which the modification would have liked, and he was being an idiot.

Habboi:

The only other mod was Nightfall and I was banned way before that after behaving like an idiot and giving in sloppy work

Do i need to say more?

I agree with BrattyLord.

wait wait wait.

It was that statement that had me thinking: hang on, has he stolen a TWHLer's map screenshots and claimed them as his own? I was concerned, and came here to let you all know.

so you assumed they were from TWHL screenshots... huh?
I happen to know. thats right KNOW.. thats when its actually a fact and not an assumption, that most of the guys from Nightfall were being total asses to Habboi. He was producing sloppy work, but only because he didn't like the mod... I think what he told me (cant remember exactly.. it was months ago) was that he was really excited about the mod and had showed them his first map for the project... That very same day, i'm on msn and he is just in one fuck-off bad mood. Eventually he tells me that all they had done was flame his map to hell and he was really dissappointed cos he'd worked hard on it. Anyways, from then on, he didn't have his heart in the mod at all... He continually had arguments with the Nightfall project leader and was booted.
Its very possible that they were talking bullshit..

Again, I stress that this information was told to me by a MEMBER OF THE NIGHTFALL MOD TEAM, and therefore I believe every word of it.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Ooooh, i'm on Hostage Situation, therefor if i say Muzzleflash is the leader of the famed Dragon cult on the streets of Sweden, responsable for over 50 murders, i MUST be telling the truth...
These guys were pricks.
The only content that I know of habboi stealing from nightfall was the graveyard map which he used for 'Dedication' .. however, can that be called stealing when its his own freak'n map?

its so convenient that the e-mails were deleted. Such a shame that the only evidence you have is from an informant of whome which we know nothing about. He/she might not even exist.

+1 for innocent

(yeah, the ghey schex was REALLY good last night, Habboi)

Oh, Hunter. How ignorant you have become.

so you assumed they were from TWHL screenshots... huh?
I happen to know. thats right KNOW.. thats when its actually a fact and not an assumption, that most of the guys from Nightfall were being total asses to Habboi. He was producing sloppy work, but only because he didn't like the mod... I think what he told me (cant remember exactly.. it was months ago) was that he was really excited about the mod and had showed them his first map for the project... That very same day, i'm on msn and he is just in one fuck-off bad mood. Eventually he tells me that all they had done was flame his map to hell and he was really dissappointed cos he'd worked hard on it. Anyways, from then on, he didn't have his heart in the mod at all... He continually had arguments with the Nightfall project leader and was booted.
Its very possible that they were talking bullshit..

How does habboi 'not having his heart in it' have anything to do with him using OTHER PEOPLE'S SCREENSHOTS TO GET IN THE MOD? Your irrelevant information startles me.

The only content that I know of habboi stealing from nightfall was the graveyard map which he used for 'Dedication' .. however, can that be called stealing when its his own freak'n map?

... sigh. You obviously don't understand.

its so convenient that the e-mails were deleted. Such a shame that the only evidence you have is from an informant of whome which we know nothing about. He/she might not even exist.

He/she DOES exist, as Rabid, Ant, most IRCers and indeed Worldcraft Dude can confirm. I still refuse to give out the name, because knowing the antics of The Hunter and habboi, they'll spam his email with death threats, gay porn, tubgirl, goatse, and anything else which they might find jack-off-worthy.

(yeah, the ghey schex was REALLY good last night, Habboi)

sigh...

You really shouldn't be taking this as a joke.

You really shouldn't be taking this as a joke.

Why on earth not? its pathetic. Habboi did not use other people frigging screenshots to get into the mod.

Also, i wasn't joking. i was really good

Bleh. Whatever.

It seems your homosexual love for habboi has taken over whatever intelligence you used to have.

listen, habboi is a total asshole. i'm not denying that. He's rude, short-tempered and doesn't seem to give a shit about anybody except himself... to a certain extent. He would not stoop so low as stealing other people's work and calling it his own.
And even if he did (which by NO MEANS am i saying is true) why the fuck would it matter? he got booted for sloppy work anyway. Its in the past, not important, and who gives a crap about it?

You are just pumping un-supported lies about habboi, which may be true, but for lack of evidence, i'm going to assume they aren't.
Stop. Trying. to. get. at. habboi.

Internet grudges are so fucking pathetic trapt.

It seems your pathetic hate for a guy you don't even know has taken over whatever intellegence you used to have

He was producing sloppy work, but only because he didn't like the mod...

.....im not accusing anybody here, but why work on a mod you dont like?
and why wouldnt you like a mod just cos you dont like the leader?
its the IDEA of the mod. whether it be unique gameplay or a killer storyline or whatever.
when people dont like my maps, i dont say 'OMG U R FLAM3R I SP4M U W1TH VIRUS3S!1!1!!!!1' i say 'well what should i do to make it better?'

/logic

Penguinboy: He liked the mod first, but then the crew members flames his map and he got pissed at them = gave them bad maps.

well why didnt he just leave then? its stupid to waste time doing crappy maps for no reason.....

anyway look at it logically - a mod team wouldnt accept a mapper in on screenshots alone. they would need maps (bsp's) and proof he made them (vmf's) so obviously he showed them his maps and they were okay, so he started mapping for them. but when he did the first map, it was wrong for what the mod team needed. so they say 'no we want maps like this' or 'theres a few bits that need to be changed'. but most likely there was a pineapple on his computer chair when he sat down and he got all pissed and instead got 'revenge' by wasting his own time on below-standard work. so they kicked him out. and to get THEIR 'revenge' they told false stories to certain people.

thats what i think happened but theres a 99% chance im wrong

but one thing im sure of: its time for alot of people to full pineapples from their nether-regions and GET OVER IT

remember everything above is a GUESS so dont start flaming me for inaccurate information. its all logic from a person with no bias

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Ok time to put the explanation gloves on...You have no idea how happy this has made me! People are believing me and I will not let them down:

Ok about a year ago I first joined a mod called City13...Same as Rabid.
Sadly the mod died and that was my first taste of 'moding'....

I wasn't so bothered about finding a mod back then and so I carried on mapping De_boshi and visiting such forums as interlopers and iwannamap.

Thats when I saw it! A thread with the most amazing screenshots Ihad ever seen...The lighting was so beautiful and my eyes just sat there dazzling at the beautiful lights and the way it reflected off the walls. It was like HDR...Note that HDR wasn't out then

So I just had to look at the main site and back then they're site wasn't as good as it is now. I visited the forums, catched up on the story and simply adored it! I just had to be a part of it so I gathered all the good pictures that I had and made a thread...

*I'm going to try to find it now:

Found it: http://forums.nightfallmod.net/showthread.php?t=35

I only map and have learnt for a year and a bit! I like the creativity of your mod so I wanted to help somehow. I asked if the team needed help and they said I may be needed one day

So as you can see I waited for a time when they needed me and thats when Kremator added me to msn and asked if I could make a graveyard type level for him.
I was so excited so I started straight away and worked for about 5 months on it...Maybe less.

Now from the comments above, the way you describe me is entirely wrong. I'm not a flameing nub who threatens with viruses.

So back to my story:

After I finished it (Long story but it was really buggy and I asked that kremator could fix it)

He said fine send it to me and make a new map - I decided to make skytrain which was MY idea so in fact I deserve credit for that...The train ride has my name written all over it.

Anyway about a quick week later he says he couldn't understand what the problems were and quite frankly no matter how many times I explained it to him he just couldn't understand:

(The problem was that my camera entity wasn't ending properly and the custom textures he made for me were ultra shiny.)

So a few weeks later of busy school work he demanded work to be sent...I argue at him that I sent off my work and I can't seem to fix it so can you...Then the rest of the story is hazy but later on one night about 11:00 PM he talks to me on msn saying I need to make better maps or something...

Now I argue that it was the best I could do and quite frankly that graveyard map still amazes me! I don't think I can create such a map like that again. The mod really allowed me to expand my knowledge, I learnt how to use camera's and more on triggers.

So then after a short argument he says a very hurtful thing to me:

Habboi Says: Well I promise I will try harder!
Kremator Says: Well too bad because your work is no longer needed, your off the team Habboi.
Habboi says: Oh come on, I can try harder please!

And the argument lasted an hour and at 12:00 he simply stated that all my chances were up and I have been removed.

I felt so ill, I wanted to just vomit...You'll probably laugh but ever since I worked for that mod, my family were so proud, friends were jealous and others were curious.

It was the best times of my modding life but you see i'm 16 and that means i'm in Sixth Form so I have to work so hard now doing AS level work. You think I had time to map...When was the last time I ever relased a map here on TWHL...

So afterbeing kicked and by the way I say I left because I'd rather not make a fool of myself and besides Trapt a lot of people knew I was kicked...Had you been my friend. And whats strange is I remember when I made my dedication map that I spent so much work on YOUR room and it upsets me to see you never commented on it nor did you say thanks or nice map.

So after a week of not being on the team I felt ill, my friends felt sorry for me and I had to lie to my family that I left due to school being too much work. Do you know how hard that was to lie to my own blood? my cousins were disspointed but understood. That was a sad time and school wasn't any better...I was getting E's and F's for my sloppy work.

I then worked real hard and earned me good GCSE grades, 1 A, 3 B's and 5 C's.

So then I felt so happy again, I had to spread the news and thats when I really wanted to work on a mod again. Heh and this is really naughty of me but I was offered to join Girls having Fun : Retribution...Now II was really forced into this as a guy I know added me to the mod leaders convo and he simply gave me a job and placed the guilty factor on me.
So i joined and after looking at the mod I was well lets just say it wasn't the most pleasant of mods.

So I try to leave but everytime (Headache) The mod leader talked to me and asked how I was doing I had to lie and say yeah its going great but slow because I have lots of work. So don't get me wrong I did have lots of work back then and the mod wasn't very interesting to work on.

So eventually a few months later he simply kicks me off in a friendly way, I explained to him that I feel really sorry but my school work is far more important.

So I left and felt guilty....Thats when one day a guy called Koen added me to MSN. Basically I had no idea who this guy was and he simply added me because he saw my work on Nightfall and was really amazed. He asked me if I knew any good HL2 sites to advertise his mod...

I told him a few like HL2 files and so on...Thats when I decided to join his mod (Gang-Life) and ever since then this mod has really impressed me, they make great gun models, I please them with my city type map which is in the thread called What are you doing?

So after working on that map which took me SO long, the sweat and blood from that map caused me to take a huge Christmas break.

So I stopped working on it and quite strangely enough had the feeling to see how my old buddies the Nightfall Team were doing. Don't get me wrong, just cause they kicked me didn't mean I had a grudge against them. In fact the only guy I didn't like was Kremator but not because he kicked me but the way he acts, his a real snotty kid (Real posh and acts all like he knows everything) Then he explained to me ages ago that I was kicked for childish behavoir...But if you go there now you will see that they joke, they laugh, that GOD damn spam with one word answers...And they said I spammed

So anyway they had a nice media update and Craig the second in charge had a nice chat with me. He asked me to vote for his mod and I gladly did.

So anyway since that Gang-Life break I haven't touched the VMF because it took me so long and I just don't have the enthusiasm as much.

The TWHL compo came around and I just had to enter...Thats when I came up with the map in my profile...
Of course sadly I won't be entering because time is short, school is getting harder and i'm starting to lose interest in mapping.

But wait...A little while back I played Sven co-op and just loved playing that RE map. Now thats the best HL1 map I have ever played, not even Kasperg with his ultra detailed maps can match the fun'ness of that level.

So I asked a friend if he would like to help me make a Source version of our own to say thanks. He gladly said yes and thats when I had about 1 years experience. We sucked if you must know, we were always busy and school again affected it. So that died very quickly...
*Note I had this little project during the time when I was on Nightfall.
Of course I was set no work to do and about 3 weeks later I was kicked as you know above.

So I made Dedication as a way to put my mind off Nightfall and say thanks to TWHL for helping me 'grow up'. It helped me socialise more with people in real life. If you must know i'm not the most popular guy in the area so TWHL really helped me try to talk to people and I made some great friends.

After the success of Dedication I realised that I have a good gift with mapping. So about that time Hunter looked up to me because of my habboi room detail...I used that detail for my compo map and around 2 weeks ago from today I just wanted to start that Resident Evil map idea once again. This time my best friend Moppen was free and has made great textures...I posted one in the shoutbox yesterday. Seventh liked it

Right so now i'm working on this project with Moppen to make a RE map for Source. Just yesterday my reputation helped and I got a modeler to join also. He is performing great deeds and my mapping life couldn't get any better.

That was until this thread came up...I admit when i first read the thread I thought God what an ass...Who would steal maps...Thats when i saw habboi at the bottom oh and Trapt, it's 'H'abboi

I was simply disgusted when i saw all the flaming replies and there was no evidence but the words of a guy who hates my guts. And whats ironic is the guy that hates me SO much made this thread...Why did he receive an email...Why didn't the mods make this thread...

So as you well know i'm quite a good mapper in such a way that it has gotten me a reputation.

Now Trapt claims that a Nightfall guy who probably hates me too emailed him telling him that 1. I steal custom props? Since when...Check all my maps and look for model files.

Map pics? i don't STEAL map pics, I in fact have this handy little folder in My Documents called Map Pics for Mod joining:

Handy little folder that I add map pics too when i apply for mods...back then Nightfall never asked for BSP files...

So I rest my case...What I wrote here is very personal and I will find it offensive if you laugh.

Can't I even smile at the directory listing?

and Trapt, it's 'H'abboi

What? No, it's a little 'h' at the moment. I can capitalise it if you want.

I really don't see any evidence myself for these accusations. One stranger's vague word versus one our members'?

it's really pointless unless were shown evidence exactly - like the 'anonamous informant'. If there's no evidence and no one here at TWHL has had his work stolen then close the bloody argument forever or until evidence is shown. I expected it to drag out but sheesh!

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I really should stop spamming... lol

well, although you stopped making sense for a while around the middle section of that thurough explanation, i got the general jist, and still beleive you. That forum link doesnt work by the way.. the page just keeps loading.

Worked fine for me.

lol. i can just imagine it.

"z0mg! this thread is teh pr00ftors that we iz li ing nd they mite c it! lock it 2 dat guy hunta wot is habboiz frend lol!" - a respected Nightfall member

i also bet trapt wont read that whole post. he'll just find things he can contradict.

However, i now hate you habboi...
you use internet explorer

You're all nuts.
End of discussion

OMG, it's the most deranged discussion at TWHL, ever!

Trapt still hasn't replied about my post...

Guess I was right.

By the way,
Since Trapt has purposfully tried to damage the reputation of another member without bringing proper evidence to the table, I propose that he must write a sincere, proper, and public apology to Habboi on the news section, or have his account frozen.

OMG, it's the most deranged discussion at TWHL, ever!

Habboi is the main subject! XD

Since Trapt has purposfully tried to damage the reputation of another member without bringing proper evidence to the table, I propose that he must write a sincere, proper, and public apology to Habboi on the news section, or have his account frozen.

Good idea.

Trapt still hasn't replied about my post...

Guess I was right.

By the way,
Since Trapt has purposfully tried to damage the reputation of another member without bringing proper evidence to the table, I propose that he must write a sincere, proper, and public apology to Habboi on the news section, or have his account frozen.

Some people don't come on TWHL everyday.

and this prooves relevent how?

I agree with BL. Trapt and ANT need to appolagise to Habboi, I tried explaining to him on IRC that you cant just condemn people with no evidence but he didnt listen.

No let him have his enojoyment....Sure you all made me feel like killing myself but it teaches everyone a valuable lesson.

Besides it also allowed to to be open

Close thread I assume?

I really don't see any evidence myself for these accusations. One stranger's vague word versus one our members'?

Exactly, this so called "evidence" (only the words from a guy who in fact dislikes habboi) would never hold in any court, so why should it here?

This is some serious shit you're throwing in habboi's direction, trapt. You need more than "i know he's reliable" to back it up.

Okay i'm totally done with this thread, as someone said earlier; innocent until proven guilty.

Oh just to add I know what would make a nice apology...A shiny award

Sure you all made me feel like killing myself but it teaches everyone a valuable lesson.

I trust you don't really need a "Trapt was rude to me" award to get over it?

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What's the big deal? Why make a thread about it? Why the hell should anyone get into Habboi's and Trapt's argument if it doesn't involve them!?

That is just plain fuckin silly.
And if you still wanna involve yourself in some argument - just use the PM system. It's here for a goddamn purpose.

I just hate such stupid flaming threads. They're fucking useless.
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Trapt has commited an act of Slander,

which is a serious offense...

surely the moderators of TWHL should do something to punish it in order to prevent something like this from happening again.

Trapt should publically apologize for his Slander.

Libel, actually.

Bratty, I don't think trapt did it on perpose, It might have been a mistake.(About that Habboi is guilty of such crimes) He is sometime a little mean but he's not that evil.

Trapt and ANT need to appolagise to Habboi

Whoa, I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. Besides, who needs an excuse to be annoyed with Habboi?

Trapt has commited an act of Slander

Get a grip Master bratteh

Oh just to add- I know what would make a nice apology...A shiny award

Someone kill me, kill me now! <rowleybob graps nearest sharp object--fork-- and jams it repeatedly in his left eye>

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i do feel trapt should apologize but i dont think it should go as far as him getting punished for it...

Although he was wrong, he thought he was doing what was right. This thread was not spam. It was the repeated un-supported flaming of habboi <cough> Habboi which was spam.

And this thread should not close until trapt apologizes... or until seventh gets tired of it. either way.. i'm gonna go eat cake

You all get far too worked up over this kind of thing, you don't even know each other.

G_KID has a point.

I'd say lock this thread.

I second that!
Who the hell are you anyway FresheD? I assume your a hobo

You see habboi, those comments really make me hate you..

Stop it. Please..

You all get far too worked up over this kind of thing, you don't even know each other.

haha I know really. But what I admire about this site compared to other sites, is that we consider both sides of the argument before we make a descision, rather than just blindly flame. I love you guys

uhm, wrong! everybody jumped to trapts side without evidenve and frankly vauge accusations.

Ok, as a fairly new member but longtime visitor, heres a few things I notice:

''There's is one thing that I don't like in the personality of a TWHL member:
Thinking sending DEATH THREATS in PM's are alright
[later]
PS. I have a new name! It's fourthgen not 4thgen!
Get it wrong and I will kill you!''

There was a 2 post gap inbetween these comments. ?_?

''He was kicked from the nightfall team, thats evedence.
And I heard about this on IRC It was clear that it was true''

but some people telling you its true on IRC IS evidance? No. Its not.

''sigh...
You really shouldn't be taking this as a joke.''

Im sorry but If habboi is innocent than actually it would be the natural way for him to behave.

''OMG, it's the most deranged discussion at TWHL, ever!''

darn-tootin.

''Trapt has commited an act of Slander'' (also) ''i do feel trapt should apologize''

however, we dont have evidenve that habboi is giulty, neither do we have evidenve likewise. for all we know trapt could be right and agrivated and frustrated that somebodys getting away and a community is laughing at him.

finally, In my opinion I dont think habboi has stolen any maps or models. maybe he used someone elses screens but who gives a flying fuck.

Ok, now Im going to submit ALL the maps in TWHL's map vault and resubmitt them to other sites as my own. what would happen to me? JACK SHIT. Id get flamed for a day, and after a week all the downloads would be gone and Id be banned from a site I dont care about. so really this thread is pointless.

anybody who didnt read my thread cause it was too long. your probably not reading this so... I slept with your mom(s). Im sorry this seemed like the best way to tell you.

Good, but you lose a zillion points for mis-using forum terminology.

I was on Trapts side first, but then I read through the whole thread, and talked to habboi, wich made me relise that it can't be true, so I switched.
My lazyness made me switch the wrong side!
Let that be a lesson to you people around the world, eating at McDonald's every day.

Good, but you lose a zillion points for mis-using forum terminology.

B00h!
7th's administration,

@ Seventh:

heh.

maybe he used someone elses screens but who gives a flying fuck.

I can tell you now thats false as well...Just trust my words. I'm not a liar quite frankly and you can ask my 'real' friends.

Plus I like to work hard...right now i've been re-doing my ICT work when we don't have too...I WANT to so I get good grades...Now I have to write notes on every page of a 500 page book....

Now thats hard work

no your probably not a liar, but I dont know you so I shouldnt pass judgment. anyway, even if I thought you where scum it shouldnt matter because what somebody a million miles away thinks about you is irrelevant.

Im nutral towards both trapt and habboi.

WHEN WILL IT END?
mods please lock this thread if there's no evidence given.

Maybe you are not a liar habboi, but my "ultra detailed maps" are also fun, not just eye candy