Quake 4 Mapping Created 18 years ago2006-03-14 16:28:15 UTC by HeAdCrAb KILLA

I recently DLed the Quake 4 SDK from id software and was very surprised to find that the Q4 level editor is much like Hammer. Has anyone mapped a Q4 map? I guess it's because id and VALVe are very similar and use the same type of technology to power their games. I thought it was cool. Actually, I think that the DOOM 3 engine is more impressive than Source. For one thing it looks better and seems to be able to do more that Source but HL2 has way better physics and stuff.

It doesn't look better, it's less versatile and it's physics suck.

I like Quake 4 in a sense but there is a feeling of well...It reminds me of some old games cause they have '2D' backgrounds that really put you off...

The textures are cool but it has a strange cel-shaded feeling to it.

I had no idea the editors were similar...Might give it a try sometime.

When it comes to realistic, exploding mayhem...Source is the bitch to do it all.

Can I ask you this Loffe: Have you ever played DOOM 3 on the Xbox? It is the most incredible looking game and it runs PERFECTLY. Source ran like shit on the Xbox and the framerates were just embarrasing in some spots. I don't care what anybody says, the DOOM 3 engine looks better than Source even if the physics suck. The only impressive things that look outstanding on Source are the models. VALVe did a wonderful job on the model part of HL2 but the maps just looked okay (especially the water and such). They are doing better now that they are using HDR but I still think that DOOM 3 looks better even though Source is "state-of-the art" or whatever. You know what, who cares - the Quake 2/HL1 engine blows them both away lol! Besides if it weren't for id Software, VALVe may not have been as great as they are today.

Don't get me wrong, I love what VALVe has done with their new engine but i believe that there is still some tough competition out there that can match it.

Pf, X-box? Why bother talking about that?

I think in terms of looks, it is more about taste than facts. I mean I do Like the Doom 3 graphics more, I like the "putty" effect it has, but HL 2 is more realistic, which I can see why some people like. Don't forget, the graphics will change depending on your computer (I have seen HL2 Pics that look so bad, they look like a good HL) So depends on preferences.

I was talking in terms of the XBox. I kno when I had my GeForce MX graphics that came with my PC, everything looked pretty stale but I have a GeForce 6800 now. When it comes to realistic appeal, I do believe that Source is the engine but all that bump-mapping and smoothness in the D3 engine is just better-looking to me. Idk, they are both great.

Doom3... I've played the demo so this is what I remember: Models with a very high number of polygons, tech-only textures (bump mapped and shiny of course), and repetitive layouts of dark rooms with pipes. I think most of the eye candy is invisible. Interaction with the enviroment was restricted to using computer consoles, which were nicely done though.

Source engine... The Combine citadel getting lost in the clouds above, a hovercraft trip through the canals with a beautiful sunset, a huge bridge stretching out into the ocean fog, a war being fought in the rooftops of a huge city...

Dont use Xbox to compare. Perhaps Doom 3 sacraficed more to go on xbox, so it runs better. Doom3 on xbox is so fuzzy, and out of focus. HL2 on xbox looks better than Doom3 on xbox, and only chugs where physics occur in a large amount. Doom's engine is not better. All it has is lighting indoors. Outdoors looks horrible. It barely has physics. Its a good game, but the overall imersion, and experience of Half-life 2 is 10 times more fun. Dooms gameplay is the same throughout the game. Monster comes out, tries to be scary, you kill him. Multiply that by 1000 and you have Doom. Games shouldnt rely on PURE graphics alone, and thats what Doom did. Dont get me wrong, I love doom (espically the shottie) but I think HL2 is better. (PS NEVER USE CONSOLES TO COMPARE GAMES THAT ARE PC PORTS!)

Gameplay:
Half-life > Half-life 2 > Farcry > FEAR > Doom 3

Graphics:
Half-life 2 > FEAR > Farcry > Doom 3 > Half-life

Other stuff:
Half-life > Half-life 2 > Farcry > Fear > Doom 3

end result:
Doom 3 gets its "ass'd whoupd"

Even though I love HL2, (and dont like fear) I must say FEAR does have better graphics. THats just common sense. (I really hate FEAR, but must admit its graphics are superior) Graphics are not everything, so its no big deal FEAR is better in that department. I also think HL2 is better than HL1 because it innovated in a time of conformity among all FPS games and made it fun. The source engine is pure BRILLIANCE!

HL2 better than HL1!?! Are you outta ur freaking mind!?! What the hell are you talking about. Sure, Source is all...insanely ahead of its time and it's one of the most impressive game engines of all time but c'mon, HL1 had gibs shooting out of ducts! Also, the first Half-Life is the game that "revolutionized" 1st person shooters not HL2 you...stoopidhead. (Oh snap that time I've gone too far.) Sorry. Anyway, HL2 isn't better than HL1 even IF it's running what you people call the best game engine evar. So it looks good...and has more physics than "pushing" and "falling." (lol) Who cares, HL1 owns!

Yes HL2 is better in terms of Graphics and Tech, but HL1 will always have that old-school appeal. The DOOM 3 engine was good for one game, Doom 3! Quake 4 is a turd, and yes the physics in the Doom 3 engine are quite pathetic, anyone who's played Ressurection of Evil will know it's simply an attempt to compete with HL2 (C'mon it has it's own physics gun!). The texture quality in Doom 3 is far worse than what HL2 can do, most textures are 256x256!!! wtf.

Ok, I love quake 4, hate the editor. I tried mapping with GTKRadient when I was about 7, I was proud with the results I always got once I figured out save every 2 minutes. So Radient got extremely boring for me to use. Radiant and hammer are NOTHING alike. Hammer crashes every 50-60 tests of your map while Radiant crashes every 10 minutes. My advice, wait until a newer update of Radiant. Though radiant has gotten better since Q3, wait another year or so because by then they'll have enough hassle complaints to make them go crazy and update radiant to actually be worth using. Just my idea

BOTH HL1 AND 2 SUCK. I only map for Hl1 for it has a nicer editor then Quake 2.

Have you ever played DOOM 3 on the Xbox? It is the most incredible looking game and it runs PERFECTLY

It does not run perfectly, it runs at a lower framerate, and looks equivalent to Doom 3 on PC on Medium or Low quality.

Doom 3 (on X-box and PC) is infamous for its low-resolution textures with simple bumpmaps. The only real lead Doom 3 has over HL2 is its stencil-shadows and they are only implemented to scare you. Graphically and Technically Source shits on the Doom 3 engine.

HL1 is a good game, but HL2 just pushed the standards further.

HL2 had some godly scenes of astonishing magnitude. Doom 3 had some corridors.

Just play around with the Source SDK. You can make maps that look tons better than Doom3. And Source has HDR now so thats like a double ass kicking. Not to mention Source is more efficient so you get much nicer graphics and better framerates at the same time.

Plus the only thing that was entertaining in Doom3 was Super Turkey Puncher 3.

YES!!! super turbo turkey puncher!

seventh is right about the corridoors - lol.
i remember the parts in half life 2 - in particular the parts with the suppressing device (the big laser that comes from nowhere and goes bzzt) and the strider battle (destroyed buildings - just before you see barney and dog lets you in the citadel)
no other game i have played have had such a sense of.... ummmm well it feels like its not in a map - like its an actual world because you cant see the edges like.
anyway those are my favourite parts because i like playing on destroyed buildings
but i hate mapping them :/

The difference between HL2 and Doom III was that HL2 had a game attached to its engine.

I mean, look at Far Cry. Everyone went "OMG ELITE" at the graphics but ack, what a junky game! Graphics aren't everything you know, which is something Doom III suffers from. Sure, it may look better, but there are other things to look at apart from what's aesthetically pleasing. Source's facial motion technology is second only to Pixar films: it helps build up what I think is a fantastic story which is told in a incredibly slick and professional way.

w0w, another person that hl2 has a good story
for some reason everyone thinks hl2 has no storyline :/
but your right, hl2 has an amazing story, and its good that you dont get the whole thing - thats the beauty of it. in real life, if you spawned from nowhere, and all the ppl are like, omg its like you! they wouldnt say like, lets all sit down and talk about whats happened in the past ten years, just in case you spawned from nowhere and dont have a clue whats going on.
as far as horrible storylines go, you forgot FEAR, but i spose its a briefing game.
as for doom 3, it has very little story development, and it is all told in PDA entries :/
the doomtek engine isnt very good for story development, thats why quake 4 suited it so well. its a war game. no story needed. tasty. thats also why enemy territory: quake wars is going to suit it as well. ever heard of a multiplayer game with a story?
now that i think about it, there is one part of doom 3 that was really nice, the part where you sand the glowing specimen tube down the corridoor and follow it for light while ou kill the bad guys really took advantage of the real-time lighting.

I'll admit, Doom III's dynamic lighting walks all over Source's, but at the end of the day, there are other things to look for.

definately.

Source still has the nicest looking water

I liked Doom 3 for what it was... spooky and occasionally clever. But technically and Graphically it just doesn't compare to Half-life 2. And complaining about Doom 3 not keeping the feel of the originals is quite dumb considering they were made many many years apart and Doom1/2 were that way due to the technical limits of the time, i always thought D3 was very true to the originals (monsters, The UAC, weapons, even some textures).

I agree. HL2's story is awsome! On the topic on whats better HL1 or HL2, its really opinion and what felt great to the individual. Calling someone a "stupid head" cuz they dont like HL1 more than HL2 is stupid. Both are great games. Doom gets old after one shot through the game. Multiplayer sucks, and Quake 4 is horrible. (Thats my opinion) Walking through identical hallways and reading PDA's is NOT fun! Ressurection of Evil was such a pathetic attempt to be HL2! I did however like the Double Barrel. BOTTOM LINE: Half-Life 2 PWN3S EVERYONE!

Doom3 = Crap that bores the shit outta you after 3-4 levels

Q4 = Boring, because the story & concept is way too old and never really changes. :

HL1 = The best gameplay & 'feeling' ever with an epic story.

HL2 = Awesome graphics, quite good gameplay.

Quake 4 is really a great game.

Fine, HL2 has a more interactive environment (all Quake 4 had was computer consoles).

But i found Quake 4 really enjoyable. I loved the story (yes.. there is one) and i liked the way you came back to the ship to relative safety after a long firefight. I also loved each and every vehicle level in Q4 (Some of them were WAY better than HL2's vehicles - the "MechWarrior" especially).

Having said that, I'll still play HL2 sooner than Q4.

HL1 = The best gameplay & 'feeling' ever with an epic story.

That's a bit over the top imo, final fantasy 7 has an epic story, HL doesn't. As far as i'm concerned HL1 didn't have much story at all, there was never any real dialogue. You knew that you had opened portals to Xen and that you needed to stop the aliens, but that was it.

I toally agree with the rest however. HL1 is still the best fps around in terms of gameplay and feeling.

Quake 4 is SP and MP

Okay, I am going to wrap things up here... First of all, DOOM 3 DOES run perfectly on the Xbox so shut ur face. Secondly, I wont even mention the term Xbox around here anymore to compare games - I've seen where that gets me : . Nextly, Source is great but D3 engine is (I THINK) impressive too. Quake 4 is BETTER than DOOM 3 and who really cares about Far Cry. (God dammit, the Xbox version of Far Cry owns but i said i wouldnt mention the console n e more). And finally, HL1 is still better than anything out there. Damn, and all this time i was just trying to point out that the editors are the same for HL2 and Q4 even if OTHERs (not pointing at Tiger) dont think so. Alright Seventh, you can close this topic now if ya want.

I seriously DO NOT believe that the people that say Quake 4 is "boring" have actually never played it. The story is just okay but i give it a 10 for gameplay being that the AI (marines) is phenominal and unlike DOOM 3 it is squad-based and features some of the best gun battles i've ever played. Oh yeah and that Mech kicks arse too. Sorry but i liked it better than the hoverboat in HL2. (you know...the one with the GTO engine and the rusted-ass roll cage; yeah that one) Naw these mechs are totally badass.

It runs HOrrible on the Xbox. Cant even play 4 people online without horrible chug, lol. All that is your opinion. Squad based shooter action with mecs? Sounds kind of an over used concept......... ITs just opinions. I think your opinion is wrong, and you just love doom so much you cant see its faults.

OMFG. I do believe that everyone has their opinions and no one is right but i did not say that i loved DOOM 3. I merely stated that it ran great on the Xbox (at least mine and i dont see how it would change from console to console) and that the engine was impressive. I think Quake 4 is much better than DOOM 3 and that it was a better display of what id's D3 engine could do. I can see the faults I just dont pay as much attention to them as i should apparently. Whatever, I really dont even care anymore.

MAybe you do care and you dont know it yet? (BTW, it DIDNT run great, ever play multiplayer? Anytime there is more than 2 enemies on screen, get ready for the fuzzy xbox version to chug like hell!)

Who cares, they both suck ass, mmkay?

There, discussion settled