Competition 22 Created 18 years ago2006-10-08 16:38:40 UTC by Unbreakable

You'd almost have to use custom content to achieve anything funny. The default HL2 assets don't make for anything particularly funny unless you pose them weird in Garry's Mod and mess with Gman's face.

Yes, the compo is now for HL1 and HL2, but they'll be judged seperately.

So we have a HL1 winner and a HL2 winner?

This should be done with any future compo's as well... HL1 compo's for HL1 mappers, and a Source counterpart for Source mappers. Right?

seconded.
aparrently the current twhl coding doesnt allow 2 different comps at the same time, but running the SAME compo should be fine, right?

Yeah, gotta agree on the custom content stuff. If custom stuff for HL is fine, then it should be for Source. C'mon, you've all had long enough to get the hang of such stuff now.

Exactly, if you can't get textures to work then follow my guide in my journal (Page 7) and if it still don't work then PM me.

As for models...Ask Xy ;D

So, anyone started something yet?

Fiddled with the effects, I'll be needing for my entry this morning.
Got em' right, so I started mapping it.

I might enter this one too Just for fun. I cant really focus on winning since I dont want to drop my current project, but I have a funny idea for source. Im not going "ftw", just for the fun

/cry

I'd totally enter but I'm like so uncomical and like so I can't and I'm so like emo

All looks cool to me, but there is just one more elephant in the room that needs to be discussed, and that's judging time.

Results should be posted in a reasonable amount of time.

I totally realize people have their own lives/responsibliities/priorities, but I'm sorry, 3 weeks--I don't remember the exact time, but it sure felt that long--for results is just torture, and is totally unacceptable imo.

What can we do to expedite the process for this one?

I agree. I'm willing to do my part to get the results out quickly.

I'm optimistic.

I totally realize people have their own lives/responsibliities/priorities

Well, clearly you don't. Here's the lowdown for a start:

Competitions don't run through our Admin panel, which means Alex has to hand-code each one. That involves going through the database and other nasty things. At the moment, he's the only one that knows how.

The delay last time was caused by Alex's transistion to University. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked, moving successfully for Uni is far more important than getting the competition results out. Besides, three weeks is nothing, so just be patient.

Christ!--you might consider upping your meds, mon ami. :wtf:

Just because you can't code the results officially in a timely manner, doesn't mean you can't post the results in the compo thread or something. No ones asking for or expecting miracles, just a reasonable freakin' timeframe.

It's not just the "delay last time", but every compo takes too long. It should NEVER take more than a couple days imo to release results.

Even with a lot of entires--12-15--, (which almost never even gets close to that) I don't see how it could take longer for a judge to get through them all in an hour or so. All that leaves would be the both judges to concur--if there are two--, and that should not take more than a day or two.

I'm sorry if you feel offened by my comments, but I think you're dead wrong on this one...

Well, I can very sincerely assure you that you can't judge fifteen entries in an hour, and I've judged god knows how many of 'em. Not helped by all the hassle of getting the entries, which are often corrupt, in stupid formats, archived badly, and all around the Web since we can only upload 2MB files here via PHP. Then of course the judges need to confer, and what with us having lives and being in different timezones, just finalising the results often takes days.

It's never going to take a couple of days or less. Deal with it.

yep, your absolutely right. but I still don't think it should take 3-4 weeks. Perhaps 2 weeks tops.

Fair enough... looking back a couple of days is a bit unreasonable, but I still think it's highly plausible.

I suppose a couple of weeks acts as a nice little buffer between compos anyway, which is nice. It's just a bit agonizing waiting... I'll try meditating on grace for a while tomorrow.

No offence, Unbreakable and Rowleybob but SlayerA and Seventh already said that they were going to try to give it asap.Why further talk?
"Hehe, I've got the results but not going to post em after 3 weeks".There is no such thing like that.They give it asap.

Exactly, it's not like we're holding onto the results and saying "Hehe, let's piss off TWHL today and NOT POST THE RESULTS!!!"

So, anybody cares to show off his compo map?

Yeah, i want to know what i would've been up against. =P

Same.

I like it when people post their compo maps early for all to see. But since I'm judging this one, I won't look at any maps until after the deadline. I don't want to get familiar with any of them until then.

Are you allowed to use Spirit?

you never are sadly

w00t!

Just read the compo brief.

I'm in and I've got a fantastic idea. (in my mind at least) I guess we'll have to wait and see.

No offence, Unbreakable and Rowleybob but SlayerA and Seventh already said that they were going to try to give it asap.Why further talk?

No Offence? How would I be offended?

No offence, Unbreakable and Rowleybob but SlayerA and Seventh already said that they were going to try to give it asap.Why further talk?
"Hehe, I've got the results but not going to post em after 3 weeks".There is no such thing like that.They give it asap.

Um, we were done until you opened your mouth And nobody said they were "hording" the results... besides I dun care what your excuse is, 3 weeks is an epic amount of time to judge a compo, and is totally unacceptable, period.

Exactly, it's not like we're holding onto the results and saying "Hehe, let's piss off TWHL today and NOT POST THE RESULTS!!!"

Um, I never said nor implied that, and you know it. I merely said if the difficult part of getting the results out is coding them, then fuck all to the coding, simply post the results in the compo thread when they're ready.

I was done talking about this, but it seems you all are interested in bringing it up again, so let's have a fun exercise examining a typical judging process the way I see it:

Suppose you have 15 entries, which to quote Luke again is an epic amount of entries for a typical compo. (really, I'd be quite interested to see the actual average of entries per)

I've not judged a sanctioned compo, but I've reviewed more than a couple maps to make an educated guess about the process. As for those entries recieved:

4-7 - Will be severely unfinished or just poory concieved/implemented. For these maps you wouldn't need more than a minute or too to write some notes and more importantly disqualify them from the running.

1-3 - Will be missing wads or will be otherwise unplayable. These take no time at all because they're immediately disqualified.

7-10 - Will be decent, thoughtful entries, though many of them mediocre or lacking in a crucial way. 1-2 of these entries will probably very nice and stand out from the rest.

All of this could easily be done in the span of an hour or a little more. At the mose approaching perhaps 2 hours if you recieved an above-average amount of really good entries.

Not helped by all the hassle of getting the entries, which are often corrupt, in stupid formats, archived badly, and all around the Web since we can only upload 2MB files here via PHP.

If the files don't meet the minimum standards to run, they should be disqualified, period.

The longest/hardest part of the process--besides coding maybe--would be agreeing with the other judge... still, I don't see how this could take more than a few days, perhaps a week at most.

I really could give a fuck about all this until Ant took my comments as a personal attack, and started whining in his grandfatherly tone... All I was really trying to do was give my impression.

/holy jesus long rant

Um, we were done until you opened your mouth And nobody said they were "hording" the results... besides I dun care what your excuse is, 3 weeks is an epic amount of time to judge a compo, and is totally unacceptable, period.

Well it seems you had more things to say?
Its not that important.3 Weeks is an acceptable time amount in my opinion."I mapped for 1 month for the compo I can wait 3 more weeks and stuff."I could just get busy with real life or map something else.

All of this could easily be done in the span of an hour or a little more. At the mose approaching perhaps 2 hours if you recieved an above-average amount of really good entries.

Are you fucking kidding me?!
To properly review a map, not to mention a whole mod - you have to play it for at least 2-3 times, to get to see every little detail, that might have costed the author some effort. Then, once choosing the trophy-winning entries, you are most likely to look through the custom stuff, the map/mod has to offer (like .wads, sounds, etc.), to get a better view of the ammount of time/effort spent on the entry.

1-2 hours?! Dude, judging 3 entries is one thing, but judging 10 or more entries in a row is fucking hell.. If you want an accurate evaluation - you'll have to check it out again tomorrow, maybe even a few days after.

Fuck it, you're one of the most active reviewers in the MV - you should know stuff like that.. :

Jeekus.

Just read the brief. COuld someone explain (or point me in the direction of):

A) Steam Splash Screens

B) -wadinclude.

Cheers

Fuck it, you're one of the most active reviewers in the MV - you should know stuff like that.. - :

I disagree with pretty much your whole post. Most of the time, playing most maps more than once is pretty pointless. Alternatively, in the very rare case that a map is ginormously huge/detailed/amazingly unique, then I could possibly agree with some of what you said; this however is almost never the case with new maps in my experience.

The likely hood of having 10 of these superbly amazing maps in one compo is far beyond likely. A couple, maybe, but most maps you should be able to sum up rather quickly imho.

And you're right, I am one of the more active reviewers in the MV... I've reviewed enough maps to be able to give a plausible opinion, or at least I think so.

Then again, maybe your right Daubster... It should take at least 1-2 months to give the entries a proper going-over... what on earth was I thinking?!

@Urban: Seriously, how long have you been here again? They're both in the tutorials section and have been beaten up more than a few times.

I can maybe understand the Steam Splash Screens, but the wadiclude one by Atom has been in there for ages...

edit: Check that, I forgot how crappy the Tutorial's search function was--you type in wadinclude, and it says nothing found

Wadinclude info is in Atom's texture tutorial here.

/me ignores everything that has been said in this thread recently.

Most of the time, playing most maps more than once is pretty pointless.

So you're telling me, that you could decide on the winner, by just playing through the entries once?
Rowley for judge!

Ok, this is getting out of hand.

Enough. Else, I take away your compo so that there'll be no compo for anyone!

Seriously, how long have you been here again?

Me no do Steamy.

Thanks for the links.

Me no do Steamy.

You don't use Steam? It's like...ehm, 2006 now?

Sjeesh, you lose.

/me ignores everything that has been said in this thread recently.

Don't post then.

Enough. Else, I take away your compo so that there'll be no compo for anyone!

Dare.

..

About the time of judgement, you guys shouldn't whine so much, 7th has a busy life, give the monkey some time. Surely you can live a few weeks without the compo results.. if not, then you seriously should consider going to a mapping rehab, if that exists....

About reviewing a map/mod... personally, I don't think it needs more than 1 run, ofc more runs give a better impression, can't deny that, but 1 run is more than enough to decently review a map.

About 10 compo maps in 1 hour... wtf rowleybob?
Your quite the fast one then, when your review for a compo, you should walk true a map quite slowly, observing every little detail..

K bitches, 13 days left... should see some screens soon!!1

I'll show mine if somebody else shows theirs... (after the next edit though)

You don't use Steam? It's like...ehm, 2006

Yes but as I've said before its more personal when you don't use props for all the detail. I'll stick with 1.1.1.0 thanks.

I feel I may make a return for this map

I think I will have something special for you guys

So, I have a question, seeing that this compo is for HL1, and HL2, will the next compo be for both engines?

hmmm. i sure hope i have 'nuff time.....just have to get the scripting fixed up....and speach and whatever

Not sure if I'll be able to finish, but here's a screen anyway:

Apart from the horribly scaled textures - it's lookin' quite good.
The mouse pointer is a bit oversized, imo.

Are the hammer objects sprites?
They look really genuine.

HAHAHA!
LOL, Rowley.

Unbreakable: Depends on what happens with this compo and general demand.

Well, I was going to re-enact the movie Pulp Fiction in HL for my entry, but I got lazy and now it's not going to get finished. I only got as far as editing one of the scis to look like Sam Jackson:

Haha, that picture just gave me a idea for the compo, if i'll manage to start a map for it.

Ah, IC. ok, thx Ant.