Now Gaming: ... Created 13 years ago2010-12-11 02:04:50 UTC by AJ

It's a co-op game that you can choose to not let anyone else into.

"it's not PVP"?

PVP is like 1/2 of Diablo.

This is going nowhere.

No. Fucking. Shit.

Relax. Nobody's throwing any personal insults here.

[Not saying that you are, but you're really losing your cool.]

What? Did I say that? I said no shit, to agree with you! I agree it's going nowhere! Holy shit!

How is Diablo not a PVP game? PVP is insanely popular!

How would you know I'm losing my cool? Are you injecting imaginary emotion into my typed words? I'm trying to explain shit here, and you're just calling me mad. What the hell, man?

No of course you didn't, but I mean you're really losing your cool here man. This is a trivial discussion with very little meaning, and you're really flipping shit.

you're really losing your cool here man.

How do you know that. Yes, you. I said, How. Do. You. Know. That.

Also, how is Diablo not a PVP game?

Also, my taking time to type out thoughtful responses to questions like "what did you mean by 'ruining diablo' and I'm putting effort into explaining things here, and I'm just being called an asshole and being accused of attacking and being mad and stuff! This is nuts!

In fact, you just buried the page long explanation of why Diablo is a broken game and why the connection is needed that I put time and effort into typing for you guys, contributing to the discussion of Diablo III in the Now Gaming thread. And you buried it with the same thing you've repeated to me over and over. Then you implied I'm a dick.

I'm the dick.

[edit] Sorry for double double post. Fucking ban me.

it's a friendly discussion nothing more, but it becomes more when u keep trying to cram your views down somenoe's throat. say your peace and defend your point if u have to, but then move on to the next thing

now if I could only take my own advice.... <The lion king theme grows in volume in the distance as the sun sets>

FADE TO BLACK
fin'

now if I could only take my own advice....

Haha, I know the feeling man.

ITT: We ignore Blitz's questions like he never even asked them, we ignore Blitz's explainations like he didn't type them, and we circle-jerk.

I'm damn tempted to repost the explaination of why Diablo is broken just because it got buried. I wrote it for you guys. Would reposting be against the rules? I'm damn tempted to do it and just say "ban me". I'll wait 15 mins or so for someone else to chime in.

Here we go:

Urby: Read my baseball analogy again. You're telling me that walking up to the plate was never ruined, which is true and fair. You are correct. I'm talking about, however, everything that happens once you get to the plate. The actual game. The most basic elements of the Diablo metagame are:

*Economics(the most important thing by far, affects every other aspect)
*PVM(tied closely with economics)
*PVP

Economics was ruined first. Duping. Third-party sites selling dupes, bots, leveling services, you name it. Items intended to be nearly mithical in rareness are so common that they go for a couple of cents each. Here's a site selling duped Stones of Jordan, among what are supposed to be the, if not THE, rarest items in the game, in TEN PACKS for $2.99 http://www.diabloitems.net/uswest-non-ladde
r/unperm-items.html

The odds of high runes dropping are one in the thousands, and that's if a rune drops in the first place, and that's if the mLvl, aLvl, and iLvl (cLvl doesn't come into play in this particular example) are all high enough to drop the rune. But alas, even they are valueless.

Obviously when the economy fails, the other aspects of the game fall right behind it.

By "retards ruining Diablo" I of course mean everyone who wants all the glamour without doing any of the work. They want elite items but they don't want to do 2000-3000 high trav runs to get them. They don't want to stack 600% magic find and spend an hour a night doing 60-second Meph runs. They don't want to stay up long into the night perfecting the build with which they will run Ubers for torches. They don't put effort into playing, at all, and they want all of rewards that those who do put effort forth earn. They supported these sites who dupe and use bots, and they diluted the economy to the point where it simply died. They don't like Diablo, but they played it anyways, and they ruined it.

Does that make sense?

If someone mentions DRM one more time I'm going to drown a sack of kittens.

Anyone remember Jedi Academy? Man that game was fun.

I do! This is the Now Gaming thread though. I'm now playing Diablo III. Is anyone else? No? That's really odd because we just talked about it for a few pages.

Never played Diablo, never will even though I had a mate give me a copy of Diablo 2 I couldn't bring myself to say no But I don't like the content, not of my tastes.

So instead, I'm getting back into MW3 multiplayer and doing very well. I'm not winning hugely, not surprising since I havn't touched FPS multiplayer for half a year.

Otherwise, I'm waiting for Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Future Soldier, so I bought the entire Ghost Recon series and I'm playing though those. Good times.

What's your steam, dog? Might wanna play a couple games.

EDIT: And then I fully realize just how lazy I am.

Hah, guess Probably easier to find me through the TWHL Steam group

Why the fuck did we spend the last 2 pages arguing about technicalities?Just spent the last 9 hrs playing D3. Finished Act I with two different characters accompanied by two different groups of friends. Can't remember the last time I enjoyed any game this much.

It's a ridiculously fun, beautiful and all-round well crafted game. If you enjoyed D2 (or any hack/slash RPG) and aren't willing to give the D3 singleplayer a shot due to it being online-only or because of the marketplace (which doesn't even affect your SP experience in any way), then it's totally your loss. Every con named in this thread so far is outweighed tenfold by the pros.

EDIT: Built both my characters on the EU server, Blitz. Is there a way to transfer them? I'd totally be down for some co-op.

@Blitz: Just in your reply you were talking about dismissing the gameplay, story, graphics, and so on because of the online thing, but I never said anything about the game itself. Sorry if you were talking to somebody else and I didn't realise.

But yeah, my comments are not about the game (it looks very nice, but the gameplay doesn't appeal to me), but rather the precedent it sets with always-online, as I explained before. If Valve did the same thing with Half-Life 3 (co-op only, no offline mode, and no way to host your own server) I would be saying the exact same thing. One could argue that Steam does a similar thing, and that's valid. Steam is also a form of (sorry, I have to say it) DRM after all.

I'm sure the game is great and, like Huntey, if I wanted to play any game bad enough, I would. That doesn't mean that we can't do it begrudgingly, wishing that it didn't force you to be online, or didn't require Origin, Steam, GFWL, some other DRM, or whatever, really. I hate GFWL and bitch about it often, but that didn't stop me playing and loving Arkham City.

People aren't complaining because the game sucks, they're complaining because the always-online requirement (whatever you want to call it) is getting in the way and stopping them from playing the game the way they want to and enjoying it.

Ok, the game might not have singleplayer mode, but D1 and D2 did have one, and they did work offline. You can still play them now. If the D3 servers are turned off in 15 years, then nobody would be able to play the game, and that sucks. Blizzard would probably be nice enough to allow offline mode somehow by then, but think about how many publishers wouldn't do that if they had a similar game. That's my issue with this. Steam games could be cracked to work without Steam if Valve exploded tomorrow, but Diablo 3 would forever be lost if Blizzard suffered the same fate.

But I also agree with CapT and Daub in that this is stupid and we should all probably shut up

STFU PB!!

Now Gaming: Advance wars, trying for the millionth time to get perfect s rank on Ridge Island in the war room.

Man, Advance Wars is pretty much the best thing ever. Recently I've been working on an Advance Wars clone game for the PC (using graphics ripped from AW4):Obviously you can't see it on the screenshot, but all the animations are running in that as well

Played some Jedi Academy with Archie last night. Never played it before but the multiplayer is pretty damn fun.

People aren't complaining because the game sucks, they're complaining because the always-online requirement (whatever you want to call it) is getting in the way and stopping them from playing the game the way they want to and enjoying it.

As I said on the other page:

Likewise, I feel it is missing the point(the point is fun, remember) to discount a great game when you love games, because of some inside-industry political bullshit. But whatever.

That's pretty much been my point the whole time. And to boot, the connection is justified, to prevent the game from turning to complete shit right away like every other Diablo game. Diablo and Diablo II are both severely broken games. Broken, broken, broke.

Ok, the game might not have singleplayer mode

You can create a private game with only people on your friends list allowed to join, whom you can always ask to leave if you want to keep playing alone. The gameplay doesn't become multiplayer-only by storing your character data on a server or requiring a connection at all times. It would only become that if it were literally impossible to play the game on your own, and that's not the case.

Steam is a lighter version of this anyway - you can't install/register any games on it without initially connecting to the web. I agree that it might be problematic to play in say 10 years time, but people will have cracked it long before that, and there will be alternatives.

Downloaded the Strider Mountain mod for HL2. Wow, it's pretty terrible. I have just officially given up on it. The whole mod is riddled with pointless cinematics and the level design is just...ugh.

In the profile on MODDB people were saying the level design looked a little dated and was more on par with HL1. Well, I say it's incredibly dated, more like Doom.

Really, not very good.

I downloaded Strider Mountain too a while ago, hoping to get inspired by beautiful mountain landscapes. Instead I played some crap mod that was just not about a mountain.

Yeah. It came up while I was looking for a decent Source single player mod. There seems to be so few.

Half-Life came out in 1998 and by 2000 there were a ton of brilliant SP mods. USS Darkstar for example, not to mention They Hunger not long after that. The few good SP mods for HL2 are all set in City 17 and it's starting to get pretty boring.

Have you played The Stanley Parable, Urby? Give it a shot if you're looking for something fresh. The mapping isn't top-notch, but the idea & execution are brilliant.

The mapping is a lot worse than top-notch, but yeah, it's a splendid mod.

Played a couple games with hotdog, it's too bad nobody here seems to like MW3, we could have some fun twhl parties otherwise.

-1 respect for MW3
-1 respect for using Comic Sans

Well if you play MW2 I would play with you until I bought the game.

Sweet, I'll ask if dog has MW2 as well.

We also tried Infected but found it to be a bit intense, haha.

Hah, nice gif there

And I've played MW2 SP on the PS3 so I really saw no point in buying it just for the Multiplayer when Cod4 is just as good...and freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (since I already owned it)

EDIT: Also saw this in a game of Infected and just couldn't help but laugh.

just as good

I could talk for hours about why it's better, why they went in the wrong direction, and what direction they should have gone in. Anyone else feel 4 was the best "modern" title in the series?

I've played COD4 a few times, but I clocked in ~400hrs on MW2. I really enjoyed the multiplayer, even with the game-breaking stuff like tubes and killstreaks that encouraged camping instead of going for the objectives. It was just really fun to rush around cleaning out camper nests on domination with a group of friends. That and booster hunting.

It pretty much became obsolete to me once BF3 came out though. That's the ultimate modern multiplayer shooter out at the moment imho.

Amen to that. Yesterday I ignored D3 completely just to force myself to play BF3 all night, because I don't want to fall out of practice. The first ten-fifteen minutes were not pretty.

There were lots of /facedesk moments.

I re-fell in love with the G3A3+bipod+holo in semi-automatic. I don't know how the patch changed this setup but it's absolutely obscene now. Keeping it in semi just erases all of the recoil, it's brilliant. Such high damage.

I was dicking around on the antenna with a friend, killing people at sniping ranges with it. I was getting suppression assists on guys at Bravo, and trolling snipers camping in their uncap.

Also semiauto rifles just plain feel badass, deliberately dropping someone in 2-3 shots while he sprays rounds around like a sprinkler.

It's pretty much become obsolete to me once BF3 came out though. That's the ultimate modern multiplayer shooter out at the moment imho.

I couldn't very much get into BF3. I felt it was too much like homefront for me to not just simply play homefront instead.

I couldn't very much get into BF3. I felt it was too much like homefront for me to not just simply play homefront instead.

So instead you play MW3 implying it's not too much like MW2 which isn't too much like CoD4?

Somewhat odd reasoning.

I totally agree with Daubster - BF3 is better and more varied than any other online shooter at the moment. It has more "holy fuck, awesome" moments than anything I've ever played before and playing with mates is as good as TF2 was with mates back in the day.

Battlelog's recording of every game you play is awesome as well. You can really see what setups work best for you so easily and just the spectacle of taking off in a jet, gunning down an enemy jet and a helicopter before being shot out of the sky, bailing out and jumping in a nearby tank, rolling into an objective and saving the day for a pinned squad? So awesome.

I felt it was too much like homefront

Huh?

Also, what's the best free recording software? Kinda off topic I know but it's for BF3. Gotta love this game, I just got 15k xp off of a 3.5k point match. Because medals.

After having BF3 since November I finally got into it. It took me a while to get used to since it's very different than other games I've played but now that I can play properly it's fun as shit.

Are you in the TWHL platoon X-layer?

@X-LAyer2: Check out LevelCap's channel on YouTube.

I was ready to pack BF3 in when I found his channel. I'm not great now, but I learned a great deal about the game and how to play from his videos. He reviews weapons too so you can get an idea of what you can work with.

Look up Dxtory, Blitz. It's fast & highly customizable.
EDIT: Bandicam is the only free one I know of.

X-Layer: Join in!

So instead you play MW3 implying it's not too much like MW2 which isn't too much like CoD4?

I don't follow your logic here. I said I couldn't get into BF3, and because it was so similar to homefront, a game I could get into, I'd rather play that instead. I never said anything about MW.

Oh, I don't play on PC sadly. Xbox 360, my computer can't handle the game.

Edit blocks are like cockblocks for the brain.

Actually, I suppose I worded that poorly: It's not that I couldn't get into it because it was similar, those are supposed to be two entirely separate thoughts.

Dxtory is great because like Gamecam it actually allowed you to use codecs. Improving on Gamecam you can use any codec that your machine has installed, and you can tweak them to your delicate needs.
Fraps is the best quality [Can be negligible with a lossless or very high quality codec] because it's completely uncompressed, but it's filesizes and disk usage are very impacting.

Half-Life? That's like 14 years old. Who even plays that any more?

Urby gtfo.